Should we prosecute a Nazi? 29,000 times?

[Majic Walrus]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29633400/?GT1=43001

I don’t think that Nazis should’ve been punished at all. Nearly all of them were acting under orders and we have no way of proving that they weren’t acting under orders. These are men who for all intents and purposes did nothing any more wrong than the soldiers who dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Japan. Was the scale different? Maybe… But is the value of human life based solely upon numbers?

If that’s the case the American soldiers who dropped bombs on Japan singlehanded killed FAR more people than any single Nazi.

The real reason it’s even a question is because the Allies won. If we had not won we would not worry about the prosecution of Nazis, but rather the prosecution of several Americans who dropped bombs on Japan.

What do you think?

 

[Shemtov]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29633400/?GT1=43001

I don’t think that Nazis should’ve been punished at all. Nearly all of them were acting under orders and we have no way of proving that they weren’t acting under orders. These are men who for all intents and purposes did nothing any more wrong than the soldiers who dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Japan. Was the scale different? Maybe… But is the value of human life based solely upon numbers?


What do you think?

If George Bush would have passed a law saying that everybody with an artic animal in their screenames had to jump off a bridge, Would you do it?

 

[SuBe]

George Bush isn't president anymore. Try again.

 

[Hush]

Hence the past tence SuBe.

 

[SuBe]

What if Obama passed a law blah blah blah? See, present tense Hush.

To answer the question, yes, he should be charged.

 

[Magneto29]

The guy is 88 years old. Leave him alone for the little time he has left.

 

[Majic Walrus]

If George Bush would have passed a law saying that everybody with an artic animal in their screenames had to jump off a bridge, Would you do it?

Frankly, if someone who had the power and intent to kill me and my extended family told me to kill you or they would hurt me. Then yeah, I would probably do it.

They weren't being asked to hurt themselves they were being ordered to do what they were told was right. If you were in the military and your commanding officer told you that the little girl running up to your base was in fact an enemy and that she was carrying a half a dozen live grenades and you needed to shoot her, would you? Fact is that goes on daily in Iraq and Afganistan. People are being killed because they are being told it's the right thing to do. They are being brainwashed and ordered to kill.

 

[SuBe]

Flak, Flak, Flak.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Sounds like an abused wife.


"I make him so mad. I knew I shouldn't have made meat loaf. It's not his fault."

 

[Franklin Richards]

Bunch of double posts lately.

 

[Addendum]

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I don’t think that Nazis should’ve been punished at all. Nearly all of them were acting under orders and we have no way of proving that they weren’t acting under orders. These are men who for all intents and purposes did nothing any more wrong than the soldiers who dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Japan.

The "Nuremberg defense" is basically what you're saying here, Befehl ist Befehl. The 4th Nuremberg Principle rejects this defense: The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him

As long as the orders a soldier receives from their superior are not on their face illegal, they are legal orders and a soldier can disobey them at their own risk.

 

[Majic Walrus]

The "Nuremberg defense" is basically what you're saying here, Befehl ist Befehl. The 4th Nuremberg Principle rejects this defense: The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him

As long as the orders a soldier receives from their superior are not on their face illegal, they are legal orders and a soldier can disobey them at their own risk.

The fourth Nuremberg principle is full of ****. Given the choice this man most likely had there is no practical way that he would go AWOL and risk his family's and his own life.

 

[Franklin Richards]

The Jews wouldn't exist today.


Genocide! Yay!


[/End Sarcasm]

 

[SLVRSR4]

So you'd rather be dead, then suffer and possibly be alive in the end? I'm sure all the people rescued from the camps are damn glad they didn't resist.

The idea of vomiting when I try to eat peanut butter from the allies who have liberated me and facing a life of still being prosecuted for being jewish isn't appealing to me. If I chose to survive which I don't think I could do I would most likely lose faith in my religion because of the atrocities being committed over something as small as a different belief.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I don't know where you are getting this I'm trying to be badass thing from. I value my life so much that I would rather be shot and put down easily then have to endure the terrible hardship of going through that.

I wasn't there I know, but the idea of watching my family die by being sent into a gas chamber or fighting for bread crumbs would be even more debilitating to me and bring me to suicide. I would rather avoid those things because I am so not badass because my will to survive isn't that strong.

That means you don't value your life, if you did you'd want to survive and live it even if there are unspeakable hardships.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I don't know where you are getting this I'm trying to be badass thing from. I value my life so much that I would rather be shot and put down easily then have to endure the terrible hardship of going through that.

I'll show you:

I wasn't there I know, but the idea of watching my family die by being sent into a gas chamber or fighting for bread crumbs would be even more debilitating to me and bring me to suicide. I would rather avoid those things because I am so not badass because my will to survive isn't that strong.

Right here. Sure, it sounds "noble", but thinking that you'd stick to your guns like this when you have a weapon capable of removing you from this planet pointed at you... It's not that easy. Trying to claim you'd willingly tell a Nazi, "You'll never take me alive!" is just not believable. Actually... I'll just go ahead and say it: you won't do it.

 

[Shemtov]

Its funny that he arrested today because today is the Jewish holiday known as Shushan Purim (an extra day of Purim celebrated only in Jerusalem) and Purim and Shushan Purim are called by the Rabbis "the days on which anti-semites are punished" In fact, 10 Nazis were hung on Purim after the Nuremberg trials.

 

[Addendum]

The fourth Nuremberg principle is full of ****. Given the choice this man most likely had there is no practical way that he would go AWOL and risk his family's and his own life.

Doesn't matter. Other Nazis have used the "Befehl ist Befehl" defense (order is order), and they were still convicted of war crimes. Lieutenant William Calley used that same defense in his court martial regarding his involvement in the My Lai Massacre, and he was also found guilty.

So if this old man wants to use a defense that has more convictions than acquittals, that's his choice. Whether it's a smart choice is another discussion

 

[Addendum]

Right here. Sure, it sounds "noble", but thinking that you'd stick to your guns like this when you have a weapon capable of removing you from this planet pointed at you... It's not that easy. Trying to claim you'd willingly tell a Nazi, "You'll never take me alive!" is just not believable. Actually... I'll just go ahead and say it: you won't do it.

Especially since they wouldn't care if you say "you won't take me alive". They wouldn't think twice about shooting you after you saw your family be killed

 

[Manic]

What do you do when your family is still alive, and the Nazis threaten to kill them? You could resist, but they might shoot your family instead of you. Or they could shoot all of you instead of just you alone.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I didn't feel like explaining it to much and just leave it as trolling, but I would rather resist and face death than be placed into a camp and have my life defiled. This is a large stretch, but it's like people saying Reagan made crack, which is possible, to ruin blacks.

True or not the crack wasn't placed into people's water to get them addicted they had the choice to take it and place all of the blame on someone else it isn't one sided.

I would rather resist too, but that doesn't mean that I would be responsible.

 

[SLVRSR4]

That means you don't value your life, if you did you'd want to survive and live it even if there are unspeakable hardships.

I "have" to write a paper about determinism free-will so I can make another reply before starting that. I value my life so much that to be put through such bad things would no longer call it a life in my opinion. I guess we just have a different set of beliefs.

It is difficult to understand within a binary way as it is why someone would choose something that isn't their belief, but feel it is necessary in the same way to establish some sort of order.

Whether stunts believes what I would do or not I would hope that I might hide out the war, but in the case of gunpoint and Buchenwald I would go with being shot maybe as they separate women and children and males away from my family so that they too have their own choice to make.

 

[DareDemon]

If George Bush would have passed a law saying that everybody with an artic animal in their screenames had to jump off a bridge, Would you do it?

While I agree that what the Nazis did is evil, any basic psychology class will refer to the Milgram experiment. Look it up.

 

[Manic]

What I find hilarious is that a thread about Nazis drew up comparisons to George Bush. It's like some sort of freaky reverse of Godwin's Law.

 

[Metamorpho1977]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29633400/?GT1=43001

I don’t think that Nazis should’ve been punished at all. Nearly all of them were acting under orders and we have no way of proving that they weren’t acting under orders. These are men who for all intents and purposes did nothing any more wrong than the soldiers who dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Japan. Was the scale different? Maybe… But is the value of human life based solely upon numbers?

If that’s the case the American soldiers who dropped bombs on Japan singlehanded killed FAR more people than any single Nazi.

The real reason it’s even a question is because the Allies won. If we had not won we would not worry about the prosecution of Nazis, but rather the prosecution of several Americans who dropped bombs on Japan.

What do you think?

Is there a statute of limitations.