sickening....

[chaseter]

Okey I'll have Monty Python DVD's and delicious Canadian beer waiting.

And back bacon

 

[enterthemadness]

first off... WIFE...

second, no, he doesn't shave his head, or attend NSM meetings....

he just thinks that Hitler was a great leader, and that western teaching is biased...

All I know about him is that he's in a deep level of Hell, people make fun of him, he had a silly mustache, and he was E-V-I-L.

 

[Paroxysm]

People can think what they want(even if what they think isn't true), it's a free country. The trick is to not care.

 

[chaseter]

It was a free country 40 years ago when blacks were inferior to whites.

 

[Watson]

And back bacon

CANADIAN bacon. You have to learn the correct canadian names for our delicacies.

 

[enterthemadness]

It was a free country 40 years ago when blacks were inferior to whites.

Oh SNAP....

 

[enterthemadness]

CANADIAN bacon. You have to learn the correct canadian names for our delicacies.

CANADIAN bacon (turkey) in my mouth is just awesome. And with Coke as well? I just go into fits of joy and make this face

 

[Aesop Rocks]

first off... WIFE...

second, no, he doesn't shave his head, or attend NSM meetings....

he just thinks that Hitler was a great leader, and that western teaching is biased...

Oh so your girlfriends dad is an big meanie head, thinking all sorts of crazy talk?

 

[BillyZaned]

I just found the way you posted about it like it was more of a "silly nuance" instead of a bigoted belief they had.

not silly at all.... but something I have to deal with..... married to family....

 

[chaseter]

CANADIAN bacon. You have to learn the correct canadian names for our delicacies.

I thought Canadian bacon was called back bacon??? It would be like us calling bacon (made from the belly of the pig) America Bacont:

 

[Erzengel]

not silly at all.... but something I have to deal with..... married to family....

I'd make friends with a lot of Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and Jews and invite them as well as your father in law and his family to all your parties. Hilarity would ensue.

 

[ObakeTora]

I honestly believe a lot of people live in denial about the Holocaust. In a way they can't fathom such an event even being possible. Thus, this feeling turns into anger "How can God allow that to happen" or in a more extreme way "It's impossible, it has to be propaganda!" even with all the evidence.

God gave man free will, so He can't control man, only allow people who deny this atrocity to anger normal people into becoming believers.

 

[Majic Walrus]

the thing is... they don't sit there and rant about it... or have books or pictures of nazi stuff.... they are normal in every which way...

that's why, I don't ever bring it up....
and it's a sour subject with the wifey.... she is ashamed of what they think.....

even though sometime I do make fun of them to her, which get's her mad... like when she's got preggo's I was like "your dads not going to try and take him to a nazi youth camp is he?"

Well I don't mean to sound like an ass... but... to each his/her own, right? If they want to believe something I don't necessarily think it makes them evil or even bad just wrong and misguided. I feel the same way about people that believe the moon landing was faked. Just because they believe that the Holocaust didn't happen does not mean that they hate Jews.

In fact, quite the opposite, they believe that Hitler was a great leader and therefore not a mass murderer. They don't condone what Hitler did because they don't believe he did it.

They're wrong, yes but that doesn't mean that anyone should make a big deal about it.

 

[Watson]

I thought Canadian bacon was called back bacon??? It would be like us calling bacon (made from the belly of the pig) America Bacont:

I've heard it called Canadian Bacon here. I dunno, maybe we have national bacon pride

 

[RdeemingRainbow]

Well it's not like the moon landing, unless Neil Armstrong murdered a bunch of moon-people and it's being covered up. I think there's more than just "they are misinformed" going on when someone disbelieves a historical fact about a people being massacred. I'd hazard a guess that if you delve into their feelings about Jews, particularly Jews in Europe during WWII, they don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about the Jews.

The problem with just taking a live-and-let-live approach to people who call Hitler a great leader is that such historical revision can become more widespread and filter into mainstream beliefs about history and events. To use an example I'm sure will upset some folks, Columbus is celebrated by a national holiday and it's only been recently that a more accurate history of the time (read: massacres and enslavement) has really even started to be mentioned in schools. Historical revision and preferences to avoid the "unpleasant" realities was deemed more important than the truth, plus a good helping of racism was in the mix as well.

In Austria and Germany, a form of neo-Nazis has been emerging in the last decade or so, along with increasing attempts to deny the history of WWII. It's not the dominant viewpoint, but on the other hand neo-Nazis-in-disguise won elections and ran the government in Austria for a time recently. Think about that for a second, and whether live-and-let-live about their claims and historical revision is really harmless.

 

[chaseter]

Neil killed the Mooninites That is why only two are left.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Well it's not like the moon landing, unless Neil Armstrong murdered a bunch of moon-people and it's being covered up. I think there's more than just "they are misinformed" going on when someone disbelieves a historical fact about a people being massacred. I'd hazard a guess that if you delve into their feelings about Jews, particularly Jews in Europe during WWII, they don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about the Jews.

The problem with just taking a live-and-let-live approach to people who call Hitler a great leader is that such historical revision can become more widespread and filter into mainstream beliefs about history and events. To use an example I'm sure will upset some folks, Columbus is celebrated by a national holiday and it's only been recently that a more accurate history of the time (read: massacres and enslavement) has really even started to be mentioned in schools. Historical revision and preferences to avoid the "unpleasant" realities was deemed more important than the truth, plus a good helping of racism was in the mix as well.

In Austria and Germany, a form of neo-Nazis has been emerging in the last decade or so, along with increasing attempts to deny the history of WWII. It's not the dominant viewpoint, but on the other hand neo-Nazis-in-disguise won elections and ran the government in Austria for a time recently. Think about that for a second, and whether live-and-let-live about their claims and historical revision is really harmless.

Fair points, to a degree.

Do you think that people who believe that the holocaust is a propaganda cover up are in some way a threat to the actual historical data that we have? I dare say that they are not a threat.

What is the bset way to combat this? I don't feel like education is necessarily going to do anything. If someone believes in spite of the OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary that the holocaust was all a fake then I doubt very seriously that they will be convinced otherwise.

So what can you do? Tell them that they're wrong and cause strife and unnecessary fighting that could cause a rift between families? To what end? At the end most likely they will still believe in spite of the OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary that the holocaust was all fake.

Furthermore I'm not in the business of telling people what they should or shouldn't believe irrespective of whether or not they are right or wrong or even factually accurate. I trust that facts will speak for themselves in these matters and people will not be able to change that.

If we start to become more controlling about what people think or believe about history we run the risk of controlling what people think. Then we're one step closer to Hitler.

 

[SuperFerret]

What surprises me most about Holocaust deniers is that despite their denial of it, they think about it an awful lot. Honestly, I know about what happened and it was horrible and all, but unless a conversation like this, or a movie about it comes on (and I'm not even talking about the standard WWII fare, it has to be about the Holocaust directly), I just don't even think about it. Plainly put, I essentially forget about it for most of the time. I have my own life to live, but Holocaust deniers seem to devote much of their time to something they don't even believe happened.

It's confounding.

 

[Ghostvirus]

To be honest I think Hitler could have been a great leader. He just took a very, very, very, very, wrong turn.

 

[E-Man]

It's quite simple to see how people can believe that the Jewish Holocaust didn't exist. People are prone to believing blindly in an ideal so much that logic is found nowhere near their brains. If you look at religion and politics, you'll see that people will subconsciously make their minds bend the truth to fit their perception.

I bet the thing about Holocaust deniers is the fact that they come from a background of anti-Semitism. I don't think you just wake up one day and think, "You know what....that Holocaust thing is such ********! Pfft I'm not believing that anymore." I think it's been rooted in their brains from parents who didn't believe the Holocaust existed, and they taught their kids that line of thinking when they were growing up. It's just like politics. Most people who claim to be liberal or conservative didn't come to be that way after considering what they think is right and wrong. They were taught by their parents a version of a perceived absolute truth, and they used that to form what they think of the world. For anyone that comes along and says, "That's not true E. I'm a liberal, and my parents are hardcore conservatives," there are a thousand people who will never change their ideals, and they will pass it on to their children until a revolution of the state or bloodline happens.

My theory is that these Holocaust deniers are just like all the Democrats and Republicans that pollute politics. They're just people blindly following a belief like most of the world. Like Paroxysm said, you just have to not care about what they believe if it offends you.

 

[E-Man]

To be honest I think Hitler could have been a great leader. He just took a very, very, very, very, wrong turn.

The thing is that Hitler was a great leader. One of history's best in fact. The only difference is that you, and mostly anyone with a heart, doesn't agree with what he did. To be honest he's no worst than some of our founding fathers. The indigenous people of this land(America) were victims of the greatest genocide this planet has ever seen, and they destroyed cultures and used people as slaves. A good portion of U.S. presidents were all behind keeping millions of people as slaves like Hitler, but their legacies are not seen as devils in our history books because they were the winning team. Hell if Nat Turner succeeded somehow, George Washington might be looked at as a Hitler today. I don't believe in what Hitler did, but he was clearly a great manipulator and speaker, and that's what great leaders really are.

 

[Addendum]

People can think what they want(even if what they think isn't true), it's a free country. The trick is to not care.

I respect the right to believe. That does not mean I have to respect what they believe.

 

[AndThePickles]

They have photos of everything They have video evidence

I think anybody that believes the Holocaust was fake is a biggot and extremely unintelligent. I don't want to offend anybody but this isn't a silly little conspiracy theory. I just really want to slap all of those people...and I'm not even Jewish. It is like saying Darfur didn't and isn't happening. It is just a plot to overthrow leadership and paint them in a bad light

I agree with you. It was real, and the numbers are real. Just thinking of things like the mountains of shoes and clothing from the people they took into the camps makes me feel ill. I'd love to take any idiot who thinks it's fake to the Holocaust Museum in DC and show them some of the exhibits there and see if they can still walk out of the place thinking the whole thing is a scam.

 

[Darthphere]

I agree with you. It was real, and the numbers are real. Just thinking of things like the mountains of shoes and clothing from the people they took into the camps makes me feel ill. I'd love to take any idiot who thinks it's fake to the Holocaust Museum in DC and show them some of the exhibits there and see if they can still walk out of the place thinking the whole thing is a scam.

Yeah they would actually.

 

[AndThePickles]

Ugh