Superman Returns So, Did Lois Know Clark Was Superman and visa versa

[Superfreak]

saw it for the 2nd time today, saw the preview last night, and the 'rents wanted to see it tonight, so I figured, what the hell.

Did Lois know everything from the beginning?

I'm leaning closer towards yes. My main reason for this is because of the relationship between Lois and Clark. She seemed almost as uncomfortable around Clark, maybe even more so, than she seemed around Superman. The scene where she goes out for the smoke on the roof. She tells Clark very clearly that they will talk later. Why did she need to have a deep heart to heart with Clark at that time? Seemed out of place. Unless it was more of an invitation.

After the kid does his bit with the piano, she knows for sure. Does she remember everything? The scene where she is leaving the DP, and Clark is in the elevator with her, and then she totally dumps all her bagage on him. Was that a message to superman via clark, or was she just dumping on clark?

By the end of the movie, I can assume all the pieces are in her brain. But I'm thinking before that. what do you think?


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[Pittman4Two]

That's a negative, superfreak.

Remember when Richard was asking Lois about Supes' height and weight and then glanced over to Clark and said, "How tall is Clark?"

Then they both laughed about ever thinking about that comparison in the first place.

 

[knightofistari]

Being a loose sequel, Singer picked and chose what he wanted to keep from the first two original movies.
He seemed to keep all of Superman I, but none of Superman II except the fact that they had a sexual relationship in the past.

Lois obviously never knew and I doubt there was even a mind wipe as when certain instances in the movie happen towards the end. She doesn't seem surprised nor concerned with the fact that she doesn't remember having sex with Superman.

 

[Lightning54SC]

That's a negative, superfreak.

Remember when Richard was asking Lois about Supes' height and weight and then glanced over to Clark and said, "How tall is Clark?"

Then they both laughed about ever thinking about that comparison in the first place.

im sure she knew right after Jason did his thing

 

[Superfreak]

im sure she knew right after Jason did his thing

but is that the first time she's seen him do something like that? Or is all the malady just a mother raising a young clark kent? Teaching him to hide his powers underneath weakness?

more over, when Lex asked her who jason's father was, as he was holding the krypto cylander, she seemed more to be misleading by telling Lex that Rich was the father. Both her and the child seemed very concerned about the kryptonite.

So is Lois being the good friend who knows clark's secret? Is she being the friend who maintains seperate relationships with both personae in order to protect and maintain the secret identity? Is her venting on Clark, really just an easy way to tell superman he's a *****e sometimes, without having to actually face him?

I swear, if you watch the movie again, it gets more clear.

 

[Firehawk]

Lois and everyone else at the Daily Planet are stupid clark leaves superman is no where to be found.. Clark comes back ut oh its a bird its a plane YES!! red underwear man is back...

But seriously.. I doubt she knows.. or is in denial

 

[Poetic Chaos]

They definitely need to explain if the mind-wipe happened cuz she should really be confused as all hell having a superpowered kid.

 

[sag002]

She doesn't seem surprised nor concerned with the fact that she doesn't remember having sex with Superman.

That's true. She might think Superman "took advantage" of her one time. (also possible she has had sex with him before and they just didnt mention it in the movies.)

 

[taintedFB]

VEry true. I was wondering about that...

His kiss made her forget... again, the lame excuse of "vague" history is such a cop out for plot holes like this. It either IS or ISN'T a sequel to part 2.

 

[Steelsheen]

start of the movie: Lois doesnt know that Clark= Superman

end of the movie: Lois doesnt know how she got pregnant with Superman's son

..... unless they had ANOTHER one night stand right before he dissapeared for 5 years. but you gotta think: how the hell can this woman not know by that point that Superman looks like Clark?

 

[Sarcasm]

During S4 Lois indicated that she always remembered that Clark was Superman. She just pretended not to.


So, whether they addressed it in SR, Lois knows Clark is Superman based on S4.

 

[knightofistari]

During S4 Lois indicated that she always remembered that Clark was Superman. She just pretended not to.


So, whether they addressed it in SR, Lois knows Clark is Superman based on S4.

Lois only remembered in 4 because he revealed himself again which did away with the mind wipe. Then he kissed her again and she was wiped again.

Lois does not know in SR. And to be truthful I have serious doubt that most of Superman II was still intact for SR. It's a loose sequel, meaning singer can pick and choose what he wants to keep. He seems to have kept almost all of the first movie and barely handfuls of the second.
Lois did not act surprised about Jason. She did not act mad at Supes about being mind wiped nor anything else except leaving her. She WOULD NOT act like she didn't know Clark was Superman.

Here's how the timeline went:

Superman I (mostly)
Lois and Supes give in at the heat of the moment sometime inbetween Superman I and SR.
A few months later Superman leaves earth.
five years later SR.

 

[Brainiac 8]

That was one of the bigger plot holes in the movie, and the most irritating ones.

 

[Superfreak]

Lois only remembered in 4 because he revealed himself again which did away with the mind wipe. Then he kissed her again and she was wiped again.

Lois does not know in SR. And to be truthful I have serious doubt that most of Superman II was still intact for SR. It's a loose sequel, meaning singer can pick and choose what he wants to keep. He seems to have kept almost all of the first movie and barely handfuls of the second.
Lois did not act surprised about Jason. She did not act mad at Supes about being mind wiped nor anything else except leaving her. She WOULD NOT act like she didn't know Clark was Superman.

Here's how the timeline went:

Superman I (mostly)
Lois and Supes give in at the heat of the moment sometime inbetween Superman I and SR.
A few months later Superman leaves earth.
five years later SR.

wrong, she remembers. He didn't tell her in that scene that his name was Kal'el, she remembers. She states it very clearly, she remembers everything. He doesn't wipe her mind afterwards either. The fact that she can remember means that she remembered through SIII as well. Watch the interaction closely. Whenever Lois is with Clark, she is always telling him that superman will do the right thing etc. Throughout all of SIV, this is going on. It happens before he goes to the UN, it happens at Lacy's appartment, it happens especially at the end of the movie, when Clark forgets his tape recorder. She's like his alfred. She maintains the secret.

THERE IS NO MIND WIPE KISS!!!!!!! Get over it for once.

But... the kiss is special. Why? Well, if Hiedi Klum walked up to me, and planted a deep passionate one right on me, I'd stand there for a while looking like I'm in a daze. Same goes for Lois and Supes. She's being kissed by the Ultra-Super-Alpha-Male. Of course she's gonna be in a daze.

 

[NateGray]

Well to be honest she played Lois very similar to the way Kiddr played her and they just didn't pay attention to Clark enough to see any resemblance.
I agree I wish they would have cleared up them actually having sex at one point rather than elude to it like they did.
But that is one of the parts that I can overlook because they got alot more right than they did wrong IMO anyways.

 

[Dr.HugoStrange]

maybe she just slept with sups without him ever telling her that he is Clark, although I did kind of notice that she has a "weird" relationship with kent. Also, after Perry gives Clark her assignment he tells her "I hope this doesn't affect our relationship?" She responds "Relationship!!!" Like she was mad at him for something else.

 

[Superfreak]

maybe she just slept with sups without him ever telling her that he is Clark, although I did kind of notice that she has a "weird" relationship with kent. Also, after Perry gives Clark her assignment he tells her "I hope this doesn't affect our relationship?" She responds "Relationship!!!" Like she was mad at him for something else.

Finally, someone else is seeing it.

 

[dru-zod2501]

you're evidence is circumstantial at best. The theory doesn't hold

I'm leaning closer towards yes. My main reason for this is because of the relationship between Lois and Clark. She seemed almost as uncomfortable around Clark, maybe even more so, than she seemed around Superman.

That's because Kate had 0 chemistry with any of her costars except Kevin Spacey

The scene where she goes out for the smoke on the roof. She tells Clark very clearly that they will talk later. Why did she need to have a deep heart to heart with Clark at that time? Seemed out of place. Unless it was more of an invitation.

did you ever think that maybe it was because Clark had been begging since he got back to have a chance to talk with her, and she was less than interested in whatever he had to say? She was blowing him off again!

After the kid does his bit with the piano, she knows for sure. Does she remember everything?

she understands the kid is Superman's, if she didn't know before, but that revealed nothing about Clark

The scene where she is leaving the DP, and Clark is in the elevator with her, and then she totally dumps all her bagage on him. Was that a message to superman via clark, or was she just dumping on clark?

you said it!

 

[CLARKY]

By the end of the movie, I can assume all the pieces are in her brain. But I'm thinking before that. what do you think

I think it is possible, yeah. At the beginning she does not know, of course. But, at the end, I suspected she remembered a bit, and suspected that Clark was superman, the whole thing done in a very subtle, very sensitive way.

 

[byte19]

lois knows that clark and supes are the same person. that's why she shuts richard down by dismissing his comparison between clark & supes. how she treats clark at work at times it is little too cold and even venting at him in front of the dp . when she glances at jason after leaving the roof. lois and jason reaction to the kryptonite and lex's question about jason's father; and the fact that she didn't allow jason to touch the crystals stolen from the fortress because she fear the might somehow react to him. just like lois was always sure that jason was clark's child not richard's; as for kiss it simply wore off at some point and by then they (l & c) had become full blown lovers. besides richard pretty much indicated that he met lois after jason was born not before or very short time afterwards.

her behavior in the sr even though subtle in some cases pretty much indicates that she is completely aware that supes/clark/ & kal-el are the same person. in her brash way lois was the only to pay enough attention to see past the glasses and the cape on her own in the first place.

terra1319 (byte's girl)

 

[mego joe]

lois knows that clark and supes are the same person. that's why she shuts richard down by dismissing his comparison between clark & supes. how she treats clark at work at times it is little too cold and even venting at him in front of the dp . when she glances at jason after leaving the roof. lois and jason reaction to the kryptonite and lex's question about jason's father; and the fact that she didn't allow jason to touch the crystals stolen from the fortress because she fear the might somehow react to him. just like lois was always sure that jason was clark's child not richard's; as for kiss it simply wore off at some point and by then they (l & c) had become full blown lovers. besides richard pretty much indicated that he met lois after jason was born not before or very short time afterwards.

her behavior in the sr even though subtle in some cases pretty much indicates that she is completely aware that supes/clark/ & kal-el are the same person. in her brash way lois was the only to pay enough attention to see past the glasses and the cape on her own in the first place.

terra1319 (byte's girl)

Lois has no idea SUperman is Clark. If she did her reaction to seeing him for the first time at the Planet would have been different. She has no idea SUperman is back when she sees Clark. If she knew she would have fainted just like she did when she first saw SUperman when he saved the airplane- shock and fainting.

 

[aia]

I think she meant. That would explain her treatment of Clark. If so its like its a game between the both. If she does and laughs at the idea at Richard thinking clark is. That would be cause she doesn't want people guessing Jason is supermans son. Because then he would see past her treating her son like he weak and ill.
Personal i think she suspects but shes in denial. If Clark is just some guy in the office why fent at him why shes upset.
When Richard meets Clark shes like richards this that etc and Clarks just Clark. It was like she was reading a CV.
She gives Superman a funny look when he knows what pocket her recorders in. Why is she not thinking he's pervy did he x-ray me. I think she knows but shes acting like she doesn't.

 

[mego joe]

I think she meant. That would explain her treatment of Clark. If so its like its a game between the both. If she does and laughs at the idea at Richard thinking clark is. That would be cause she doesn't want people guessing Jason is supermans son. Because then he would see past her treating her son like he weak and ill.

Well, Jason is weak and ill. It's not a cover that Lois has dreamed up.

Personal i think she suspects but shes in denial. If Clark is just some guy in the office why fent at him why shes upset.

Because she's selfish and the only thing she has to talk to Clark about after being gone for 5 years is herself. It also shows how inconsequential Clark is to Lois.

When Richard meets Clark shes like richards this that etc and Clarks just Clark. It was like she was reading a CV.

That scene is more about Lois convincing herself and that she loves Richard and is not still in love with Superman and that she really doesn't know anything about Clark.

She gives Superman a funny look when he knows what pocket her recorders in. Why is she not thinking he's pervy did he x-ray me.

They've been intimate, they've had sex. She's not going to think he's pervy- he's not a stranger.

I think she knows but shes acting like she doesn't.

I don't think there's anything in the movie overt or subtle to suggest this. I could believe that she's in denial about Superman being her baby's daddy and suspects that, but not that Superman and Clark are the same person.

 

[aia]

selfish ya.
If clark is nothing why pour out your feelings and problems. Its someone she trusts she can off load on. So thats somesort of friendship there.
Don't get me wrong not in a sexual way but someone you can off load on.
I never said she thought he was pery for knowing what pocket. She gave him a funny look. Like to say how does he know that.

Its like the nice guy in the office who's safe.
I do think she suspects regardless of what anyone says. She suspects but doesn't want to know. Why quote what she said to Clark if Clark is just some guy in the office. Why tell Superman. I think its suits her.
I think she has all the pieces but doesn't want to put them together.

I think he has never told her who he was because if he did why nearly leave the glasses off.

If you had a superbaby. Wouldn't you worry about it getting out. You'd your child to blend in. I think it isn't in her interests to expose anyone as superman.
But then my husband said to me no one thinks superman has a secret identy because he doesn't cover his face.
Say if Richard exposed Clark as superman. that isn't in her interest. The child is ill at the moment. And if you remember Clark used to wear glasses but when he got his powers he didn't need them. So she could use the inhalor in the same way. When his powers kick in.
She does this through the movie. Ya he's a sickly child. But why say keep out of the sun. So knows about superman and knows the sun gives powers.

True ya she doesn't know Clark at all. But i think she feels uncomfortable around him and doesn't know why. Its something she can't put her finger on.
What i'd want to know is when he says i hope this doesn't affect our relatoinship. She bites his head off.
Why? Its very nasty.

I don't think there ever ways a romantic realationship between the two off them. A friendship ya, but onesided where she talks about her self. And doesn't ask him anything back.

Personally i can't see why he's bothered. At least Clark smiles where superman doesn't.
Its awhole silly girls fansasy with superman if you ask me.