Sequels So how many villains are we gonna get that aren't really evil?

[zeptron]

I mean its the same in every single movie that the villian in the film isn't really a villian until something bad happens. If they introduce The Lizard which I hope they do but it will be the same freaking thing he wasn't bad in the first place until something goes horribly wrong. Why can't Raimi makes the villians evil because they want to be evil? I don't know if they introduce the Lizard in the next movie and how he becomes a villian people are really going to notice the repatative nature of the villians even more.

Brock might be an exception. He was pretty much just a flat out A-hole from the get go. He wasn't EVIL as Venom, but he was a dishonest, smarmy little jerk. And as he put it, "I like being bad. It makes me happy."

 

[UltimateJustin]

Because Spiderman isnt a dark hero like Batman who is going to fight a pedophile ring or something. Its not like he is going to go up against Predaro and his magic pedophile ring that shoots a ray that turns people into pedophiles. You're sick for even thinking he would.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would consider both the Green Goblin and Venom in the movies evil. While Norman became the GG by accident, he embraced his evil side, and Brock did similarly.

 

[zeptron]

Because Spiderman isnt a dark hero like Batman who is going to fight a pedophile ring or something. Its not like he is going to go up against Predaro and his magic pedophile ring that shoots a ray that turns people into pedophiles. You're sick for even thinking he would.

Umm..I never said that.

What I was saying is that just about none of Spidey's villains start out as BAD guys. No one is a murderer right when they are introduced, they are changed by some freak accident. We need a bad guy that is EVIL when his character is introduced, than is worse when he gets powers. The Joker was a murderer before he was changed. Two-Face had split personalities before he was a villain. Not all of Spiderman's villains need to be scientists who are trying to help the helpless and than accidentally turns himself into a monster. Can't he be a monster from the start? (and I don't mean right when he is born, I mean when his character is introduced.)

They can make Electro a pretty unsympathic bastard.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

People always start out good...kind of like Pandora's Box...everything is good until someone does one bad thing and messes up the whole character...it's the choices in life that disrupts a 'good' person...that's why people can't be just 'evil' from the get-go.

Just like Lex Luthor in Smallville, it shows how he slowly goes into the dark side.

Anakin Skywalker.

The Joker.

And basically every villain should start out as a good guy...if he comes out as evil, there will be no way a person can feel sympathy over him/her.

 

[Visionary]

I would like to see at least one villain rape an entire city just once in a Spider-Man movie. Perhaps new blood can bring about the change that you desire.

 

[spideyman101]

I think this is where Carnage should come in, in Spider-Man 4.

... and by the way... it' not just Sam Raimi... Stan Lee, when he created the villains... had a lot of them good that went bad...

... i guess it's semi-normal in a way...

if you were good, and you just recieved super-powers, most would choose to do bad because they illegally gain things... then... that's how they go from good to bad...

then there's those like Peter who choose to do good...


there's plenty of examples in Marvel and DC of good who stay good...

 

[Leenie]

I would consider both the Green Goblin and Venom in the movies evil. While Norman became the GG by accident, he embraced his evil side, and Brock did similarly.

Agreed!

 

[Kaizer104]

Spideyman101 pretty much summed it up perfectly with his explanation.

To add, what makes Spider-Man's villains so great is how human they truly are. Though they might have changed physically (or mentally) they still have desire, which is a very important human trait. Many religions don't try to stray people away from desire without reason and the villains of the movies show us what happens when we DO try to follow our desires.

-Osborn desired revenge and success (not necessarily in that order), thus he became the Green Goblin to try to prove his enemies wrong. It's human to strive for success and try to set right what you think is wrong.
-Doc Oct. tried to fix his mistake by going at the problem more thoughtfully "If at first you don't succeed: try, try again." It's human to strive for perfection.
-Harry Osborn desired revenge and to prove he could exceed his father's expectations. It's human to try to gain respect.
-Sandman and Brock already fit into prior human natures listed, but pretty much the point of the matter is that they're humans.

There's quite possibly a reason Brock/Venom kept pulling the symbiote mask away so others could see his face. It's pretty much a reminder to everyone that he may be inhumanly powerful, but he is still human at heart; it's similar to the "talking down" method of propaganda. The person makes themself out to be similar to you so they will be more favorable to you.

Why should a human just be a mercilous killer without any thought other than murder? This is why I feel that Carnage would be horrible as a villain (In a Spider-Man movie. He'll be fine if Venom gets his own movie somehow); he's really nothing more than bloodlust and insanity. Most people, even criminals, have reasons and motives for what they do; that is something that makes them so feared by each other. It's not necessarily that the people did the act, but rather the thought that any person could do the act as well, given a similar situation.

That's my thoughts.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I personally like the "SPIDER-MAN 3" videogame's storyline of Lizard and Kraven. Dr. Connors starts out in the game testing his serum, things go bad, and in result he goes to the sewers. However, reports swarm across the city of giant lizards attacking people and raising hell, Parker investigates, finds The Lizard in the sewers, but also finds out Kraven is hunting him as well. Then, Peter defeats both guys and in the end Connors has to redeem himself by creating an antidote to sustain his regression of turning back into a man-eating lizard but also saving the city from the lizard threat.

I know the "saving the city from giant lizards" sounds dumb in a movie, but Parker searching for an antidote for Connors would work for the movie and really we've gotten two movies where Connors and Parker have become buds. Now, this next movie you could have it where Peter is working for Connors as a lab assistant. Michael Morbius, Liz, and Gwen could cameo in the scenes where Connors and Parker are teaching a class about the regeneration of dead cells to create new cells.

Connors can gain his redemption in the end, but I think he should make a sacrifice for Peter. Like the final battle you could have it where:

(The Lizard jumps infront of Peter.)

Lizard: Leave! I can handle this!

(Suddenly...Kraven springs from off the floor after being whacked across the face by the Lizard's tail, brandishing a knife under his vest.)

Kraven: I have you now Spider-Man!

(Connors sees Kraven about to dig his knife into Spider-Man's back, but Connors steps in and Kraven stabs him right in the chest.)

Kraven: Ha, I've done it! I've killed the creature! Now, all that remains is---you. Two for the price of one. A fair trade I must say.

Then, you could have Scorpion intervene saying Spider-Man is his to kill. Kraven however doesn't agree to the idea of course and then the two battle for the rights to kill Spidey. Scorpion outmatches Kraven and then him and Spider-Man battle in the end.

 

[Da Games Elite]

Carnage would be a major departure. Every villain so far have been somewhat symathetic, but Carnage would be a drastic, horrific change. I would love to see that, alongside Venom.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Only sympathetic villain that bothers me is Sandman in the films.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Sandman really bothered me but I understand the context with the whole hero witha dark side/villain with a sympathetic side although i wish they saved that for The Lizard, but Doctor Octopus being controlled by the tentacles I hated. It was so stupid. I wish he was just crazy, or at least stable with a warped view (Ra's Al Ghul type of deal).