Comics So I think 2007 is going to be a good year for Spider-Man

[Arach Knight]

1)When I was growing up, Amazing Spider-Man was the best (for a lack of a less subjective term) book out there, for Spidey. Better than Spectacular (usually) and better than the ill fated Web of Spider-Man. Personally, I never cared about Friendly Neighborhood, because that began with The Other, and becuase of that, I never cared to see what niche it would carve out in the Spidey microverse. Besides, most of the impacting stories (for better or for worst) take place in the pages of Amazing. Ezikiel, Morlun, Peter and MJ reuniting, Dock Ock's resurrection, The Other, Sins Past, Aunt May's house burning down, Aunt May finding out Peter's identity.

All of those events occured in Amazing Spider-Man. I generally regard the other books as filler, to put Spidey's face, in more books, to boost sales. I'm not about marketing blitz campaigns. That's what's killing the appeal of Wolverine right now. I just need the meat of the story. I don't need frequent titilation from as many stories about Spider-Man, as possible. X-Men is quite possibly the only franchise, that really needs more than one book, because they have so many characters on the roster, that they need more than one book to do the characters and story, some justice. But Spidey? Not really...

2)I do have a slight interest in reading Daredevil. I almost picked up Smith and Quesada's run on the book....but my facination never seems to translate into actual desire to read about Daredevil in a solo. I seem more interested in the character merely being a presence in the 616. But there is still hope yet. Though if I had to read a second tier book (sorry, but I feel that DD is a second tier Marvel character), it would be Captain America. But that hardly counts as second tier anymore. Between Brubaker and Civil War, Captain America has returned to a much more pivitoal position in comic books and on sales charts.

3)Like I said...when Civil War comes to a close, I think i'll be safe to jump back into Spidey books, and the Marvel U in general. Though for that matter, Might Avengers looks pretty crappy. But i'm not taking that to be a reflection on the over all quality of the Marvel U, in the aftermath of Civil War.

 

[shinlyle]

You know it's amazing how similar mine and your opinions are sometimes, and it's even weirder is that 1991 is the same year I bought my 1st own single issue of ASM.

I really do think there are loads of great Marvel titles, I really feel that Civil War had rejuvinated most comics, I believe very few are suffering. Cap rules, Avengers is a lot better, Hulk is good, AXM, there's qite a big list.

Creepy...

Yeah, I'm loving Civil War, despite its consequences, and I'm enjoying the hell out of AXM and Hulk. Marvel has some strong books, but, maybe this is just me, they don't push books like DD, Punisher, Runaways, Young Avengers, Captain America, or Hulk HALF as hard as they do their more forceful changes.

 

[wolvie2020]

Hmm....I love Loeb but I don't have time for All-Star Spider-Man

I have no idea where this has come from...

Loeb/JSC's run is going to be in canon, there's been quite a few interviews regarding this, and where have I read about it being non-canon, on the contrary, it's in canon, and they're taking over a high profile Spidey book. Most likely SSM, but most of us are hoping for it being ASM

 

[wolvie2020]

Creepy...

Yeah, I'm loving Civil War, despite its consequences, and I'm enjoying the hell out of AXM and Hulk. Marvel has some strong books, but, maybe this is just me, they don't push books like DD, Punisher, Runaways, Young Avengers, Captain America, or Hulk HALF as hard as they do their more forceful changes.

I actually read one of the recent Joe Friday's, and JQ addressed this. They do push the lesser titles, but within budget. What he said made total sense, and he fully takes the blame when books like that have to be cancelled.

At least he tries with that, yet he has no clue when it comes to our fave wall crawler. It's become so hard for them to determine what is actually good for Spidey's books... He isn't the biggest Spidey fan, and regards the best Spider-Man stories from when he's a teen.

So naturally, he goes and looks at sales. And there are so many people out there who aill buy SM regardless, so it becomes difficult for him to tell what actually works. To be honest, he could just use some common sense. On top of that, comic fans, (Spidey fans especially,) seem to argue relentlessly about what works, so we don't help a great deal either.

One thing that gets me, is that they're usually quite ruthless when to take someone off of a book. Hell, they took Waid of FF for REALLY lame reasons, and fan outcry brought him back in a matter of days. So why the heck is JMS still on ASM after SO many years JMS must really suck uo some real good or something, 'cause I can't figure out why he's still on ASM after all this time..

 

[shinlyle]

I actually read one of the recent Joe Friday's, and JQ addressed this. They do push the lesser titles, but within budget. What he said made total sense, and he fully takes the blame when books like that have to be cancelled.

At least he tries with that, yet he has no clue when it comes to our fave wall crawler. It's become so hard for them to determine what is actually good for Spidey's books... He isn't the biggest Spidey fan, and regards the best Spider-Man stories from when he's a teen.

So naturally, he goes and looks at sales. And there are so many people out there who aill buy SM regardless, so it becomes difficult for him to tell what actually works. To be honest, he could just use some common sense. On top of that, comic fans, (Spidey fans especially,) seem to argue relentlessly about what works, so we don't help a great deal either.

One thing that gets me, is that they're usually quite ruthless when to take someone off of a book. Hell, they took Waid of FF for REALLY lame reasons, and fan outcry brought him back in a matter of days. So why the heck is JMS still on ASM after SO many years JMS must really suck uo some real good or something, 'cause I can't figure out why he's still on ASM after all this time..

I understand that. I read that articel, in fact. It just seems to me that the more well-known characters and titles seem to promote themselves, whereas the smaller titles could really use the help.

Amazing Spider-Man may suck a fat one, but it'll always sell in the top 50 or 50 books, simply because it's the flagship title. The Ultimate books will always seel in the top 25 or so simply because of what they are. Why not put a little more help towards those books with smaller but equally loyal fanbases such as Spider-Girl and Runaways?

Okay...I'm sure Runaways will recieve a big push as soon as Joss Whedon steps onboard, but it should never have been in trouble in the first place.

Then again, I suppose that it all boils downt o the allmighty dollar (or Eruo, as it were) and how many they can rake in. From a buisness standpoint, I get it...but it seems very unfair to those creators who bust their humps to turn out the best product when Chuck Austen's X-Men crap outsells them simply because it has "X" in the title (yes, I know he no longer works for Marvel anymore).

Then again, I suppose we, the readers, aren't helping out by contributing to the problem by buying sub-par books.

 

[wolvie2020]

I understand that. I read that articel, in fact. It just seems to me that the more well-known characters and titles seem to promote themselves, whereas the smaller titles could really use the help.

Amazing Spider-Man may suck a fat one, but it'll always sell in the top 50 or 50 books, simply because it's the flagship title. The Ultimate books will always seel in the top 25 or so simply because of what they are. Why not put a little more help towards those books with smaller but equally loyal fanbases such as Spider-Girl and Runaways?

Okay...I'm sure Runaways will recieve a big push as soon as Joss Whedon steps onboard, but it should never have been in trouble in the first place.

Then again, I suppose that it all boils downt o the allmighty dollar (or Eruo, as it were) and how many they can rake in. From a buisness standpoint, I get it...but it seems very unfair to those creators who bust their humps to turn out the best product when Chuck Austen's X-Men crap outsells them simply because it has "X" in the title (yes, I know he no longer works for Marvel anymore).

Then again, I suppose we, the readers, aren't helping out by contributing to the problem by buying sub-par books.

Oh, I totally agree with what you say. I mean, USM sells by the crapload all the time, so why not spend the money for USM mag adverts/internet trailers on a lesser known great title instead. Yea, I get that.

You know, you're gonna be shocked by this, but I really need to get into Runaways... People have been telling me that for a couple years now.

There also is still a lot of people who stick with sub-par books... I used to do that when I was younger, but as I've gotten older I find that I just can't bring myself to do it. There's plenty of better things that I can spend my money on.

 

[Arach Knight]

So why the heck is JMS still on ASM after SO many years JMS must really suck uo some real good or something, 'cause I can't figure out why he's still on ASM after all this time..

People will always think of the bad, before they think of the good, even if the good was really good. And truth be told, JMS has done some amazing (no pun intended) work on his run with Spidey. Morlun, Ezikiel, Shathra, Digger, Loki. All of those have been good runs that really took Spider-man back to a more classic element. However, those often pale when compared to things like Sins Past. JMS is pretty hit or miss...so it's hard to dismiss him. Especially when the sales of the book continue to be strong, despite the books worse moments. I believe somebody already said it, but when it comes to Spider-Man and the X-Men, most Marvel fans, truly are "Marvel Zombies." They'll read whatever crap is peddled their way, and take the abuse. That doesn't send Marvel the correct messages to not do it again. They get confused with their decision making, just like we get confused by their decision choices. That is why I refuse to read Marvel books right now. I don't want to contribute to that vicious cycle. But for what it's worth, I think JMS has ultimately proven himself capable, when he does things right.

 

[shinlyle]

Oh, I totally agree with what you say. I mean, USM sells by the crapload all the time, so why not spend the money for USM mag adverts/internet trailers on a lesser known great title instead. Yea, I get that.

You know, you're gonna be shocked by this, but I really need to get into Runaways... People have been telling me that for a couple years now.

There also is still a lot of people who stick with sub-par books... I used to do that when I was younger, but as I've gotten older I find that I just can't bring myself to do it. There's plenty of better things that I can spend my money on.

Oh...it's definitely worth it. I bought the first issue after I read a good review about it on fourthrail.com, and I was hooked. It really features a strong cast of characters and some actual drama and heartfelt storytelling WITHOUT the "shock" treatment. There are some shocking moments, but no one sprouts stigners and eats anyone else's head or anything.

As for those who stick with sucky books, let them have them. I've got more important things to buy than an issue of FNSM where EVIL Uncle Ben is brought around, or an issue of the "Yeah Boss" ASM issues. I may start buying them again if JMS can actually manage to write Spidey as a vigilant warrior while fighting Iron Man in the next issue. If Peter goes down like a little b****, then I will cry foul. Underneath that tin can, Tony's just a normal guy...and an alcoholic with a bad heart, to boot. Peter can take him.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

I have a lot of hope for 07, because of the Campbell/Loeb series. Cant wait for that. I think there is a Spidey movie coming out soon too. Thats the rumor I've heard.

lmfao yah theres this rumour that huge big budget hugely advertised movie called spider-man 3 is coming out. most people have heard these rumous that venom might even be in it....theres a trailer for it too so it looks like we have confirmation :heart: :meow:

 

[CConn]

2)I do have a slight interest in reading Daredevil. I almost picked up Smith and Quesada's run on the book....but my facination never seems to translate into actual desire to read about Daredevil in a solo. I seem more interested in the character merely being a presence in the 616. But there is still hope yet. Though if I had to read a second tier book (sorry, but I feel that DD is a second tier Marvel character), it would be Captain America. But that hardly counts as second tier anymore. Between Brubaker and Civil War, Captain America has returned to a much more pivitoal position in comic books and on sales charts.

Let me put it this way...

Personally, I have no interest in Daredevil as a character. None. I could list 20 characters I like better off the top of my head. But, with all that said, DD may very well be my favorite title at the moment. Take that for what it's worth...

 

[Arach Knight]

Is Bendis still writing it?

 

[Kraven]

No, now it's Brubaker with Michael Lark as the artist. Although some say that it's just as good, possibly better, as/then Bendis' run.

 

[wolvie2020]

No, now it's Brubaker with Michael Lark as the artist. Although some say that it's just as good, possibly better, as/then Bendis' run.

It's not better, it's pretty much the same. Bendis and Brubaker have been friends for MAAANY years, so Brubaker taking over was natural. Brubaker started the book by saying they're not gonna change the direction, why fix it if it ain't broke? Anyhoo, it's got the same direction, but Bendis and Brubakers are different writers, so the direction and tone is pretty much the same, but the style is quite different

 

[shinlyle]

The main thing with DD as of late is that brubaker and Bendis write a lot alike..but Brubaker hasn't been writing the book for 30 or 40 issues. He's starting fresh,a nd it's as inventive and original as when Bendis took over. Honestly, I think Brubaker has more skill with writing action scenes and such, and he retains his superb handling of dialogue and character development.

I really think Brubaker was simply born to write Daredevil. Look at his work on Catwoman and Gotham Central and that should be obvious.

I wonder....would Brubaker fit in on Spidey.....

I'd better watch it. If Brubaker, Sacasa, and Loeb were the Spidey-writers, we could potentially enter a new golden age (or even better, a new silver age!hope everyone gets that one).

 

[Arach Knight]

I like Ed Brubaker. He is one of the many recent additions to the Marvel writing staff, that has been well chosen (of course the other addition being Jeph Loeb...a considerably sad loss for DC fans across the world).

 

[stillanerd]

Well, we've gotten some hints at what 2007 is going to be like for Spidey after Civil War thanks to Wizard Magazine: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/002214252.cfm

Mostly it's things we already knew before, but here's a little quote JMS:

Marvel’s also promising a return to the black costume in Spidey’s future (see sidebar), but for now, Spider-Man will be concerning himself with how to dig himself and his loved ones out of the Pro-Registration camp. “He may find support in unlikely places,” says Straczynski of Spidey’s new challenge. “But he’s also going to be on the run, subjecting MJ and May to conditions that he might not like. After living in luxury in Stark Tower, to be on the run [and] going from one dive to another is going to be a guilt-inducing experience for Peter. They did what they thought was a good idea at the time, and certainly if anything happened to him as a result, they’d be devastated. Which means,” Straczynski concludes ominously, “it’s something we kinda have to do.”

Um, yeah, how many of us did NOT see this coming...like back when he unmasked, or even when became Tony Stark's yes man?

 

[Arach Knight]

I like that idea...Spider-Man on the run. It sort of puts him back to where he was in the 80's with JJJ hating on him with a vengance. Back when everybody believed Spider-Man was a menace (not like that exactly changed...but you get the idea). Hopefully they don't drag it out though. I don't want a year of Spider-Man acting out old episodes of The Fugitive.

 

[Electro UK]

Well seeing as 2005 and 06 were piles of shat for Spidey, I think its about damn time.

 

[stillanerd]

I like that idea...Spider-Man on the run. It sort of puts him back to where he was in the 80's with JJJ hating on him with a vengance. Back when everybody believed Spider-Man was a menace (not like that exactly changed...but you get the idea). Hopefully they don't drag it out though. I don't want a year of Spider-Man acting out old episodes of The Fugitive.

SPIDER-MAN: It wasn't me! It was the one-armed man!

Oh, don't get me wrong. I like the idea of Spidey on the run too, primarily because Spider-Man has a history of being wanted by the authories and that his being a fugative perfectly ties in with the notion that, even though he's a superhero, he doesn't get any respect from much of the public. I was just saying how, considering the unmasking, how predictable this outcome was and the way it happened. But yeah, Spidey becoming Marvel's equivalent of the Fugative, I thought Hulk was supposed to be in that role. Oh that's right, "Planet Hulk" has made 'ol green-skin Marvel's version of Spartacus.

 

[Arach Knight]

I think they dumped Hulk for a few reasons, but mainly, to suit the need of Civil War

1)As a super hero, he has had a limited dynamic for decades, as a rampaging brute, pursued by the government. By the time he was intelligent, most of his tenure was with the Avengers. I think Hulk can largely be perceived as second tier, even though he is so well known.

2)He would easily have chosen to be anti-registration, given his prior conflicts with the government.

3)He would be too powerful for the pro registration side, to take down, with ease. They want Cap's side to suffer losess. Imagine if Thor tried to pull that crap that he did, if Hulk were there. Wouldn't of happened.

I think Marvel had no truly clever way of dealing with Hulk, other than to get him out of the scenario for now.

 

[freemadison]

I have no idea where this has come from...

Loeb/JSC's run is going to be in canon, there's been quite a few interviews regarding this, and where have I read about it being non-canon, on the contrary, it's in canon, and they're taking over a high profile Spidey book. Most likely SSM, but most of us are hoping for it being ASM

THAT I do have time for....

 

[The Bruce]

why will spidey be back in black?

Damn Pete! Yous a Dawg!

 

[symbiotespidy]

I have a lot of hope for 07, because of the Campbell/Loeb series. Cant wait for that. I think there is a Spidey movie coming out soon too. Thats the rumor I've heard.

Ya same here looking forward for the Loeb/Campbell to start so I can get back into getting spidy comics.t: