So my sister wants to buy a new computer....

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And asked me to help. Really, the computer is for the whole household, so I gotta factor in what I want as well. And before you ask, she doesn't want it custom made, it's her money, her choice I guess. So yeah, I need help from you guys (probably mostly Malice :csad:) as to what recommend. We use it mostly for internet and photoshop and that's all we really do. I may want to get more into PC Gaming, but I'm probably not going to be a hardcore gamer or anything so just the basic necessities would do in that department. I was looking at some HP's but I've gotten a lot of mixed reviews on those.

From the Best Buy website:

HP - Pavilion Elite Desktop with AMD Phenom™ X4 9750 Quad-Core Processor

HP - Pavilion Slimline Desktop with Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor E5200

I'm leaning towards the second one really. But the first one is looking pretty good.

Also, AMD vs. Intel. I've always been an Intel guy and would like to keep it that way, but if AMD can give me the same performance, I'm willing to try it out.
 
You could build her a kick ass system by buying parts from newegg.com, and then spray paint "HP" on the side of the case. She probably wouldn't know the difference.
Probably only cost ya $500.

And, really? Intel? I guess they're making a come back now, but for the past 5 years they've been the worse of the two.
*shrug*
 
You could build her a kick ass system by buying parts from newegg.com, and then spray paint "HP" on the side of the case. She probably wouldn't know the difference.
Probably only cost ya $500.

And, really? Intel? I guess they're making a come back now, but for the past 5 years they've been the worse of the two.
*shrug*

That's hilarious because I've had my current comp for like 6. So I never notice.
 
You could build her a kick ass system by buying parts from newegg.com, and then spray paint "HP" on the side of the case. She probably wouldn't know the difference.
Probably only cost ya $500.

And, really? Intel? I guess they're making a come back now, but for the past 5 years they've been the worse of the two.
*shrug*

$500 wont do it....not for a kick ass gaming computer.
 
You could build her a kick ass system by buying parts from newegg.com, and then spray paint "HP" on the side of the case. She probably wouldn't know the difference.
Probably only cost ya $500.

And, really? Intel? I guess they're making a come back now, but for the past 5 years they've been the worse of the two.
*shrug*

Intel FAR kicks AMDs rear end right now....
My last PC is an AMD processor, but since then, Intel really reasserted themselves...
 
Darth....my question to you is this...and its something you need to decide now.

- Would you be interested in building it yourself? Its not too hard to build...but remember, if you have problems in the build, it complicates things...whats wrong, etc..
Not trying to scare you, but I want it to be real. Building a PC is not hard, but when problems occur, you are basically ON YOUR OWN.
 
Now...as far as brand...its just like cars.
Everyone has likes and dislikes...
My personal takes are
Good - Dell, HP, Gateway
OK - Acer
Bad - Sony, Toshiba

That is from MY experiences...
my HP laptop, has run for almost 4 years....aside from some RAM going bad...which happens...not a hickup.
 
Darth....my question to you is this...and its something you need to decide now.

- Would you be interested in building it yourself? Its not too hard to build...but remember, if you have problems in the build, it complicates things...whats wrong, etc..
Not trying to scare you, but I want it to be real. Building a PC is not hard, but when problems occur, you are basically ON YOUR OWN.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to build a PC that was for someone else.
 
Frankly, I wouldn't want to build a PC that was for someone else.

I suggest buying one then...
I would get an Intel processor..
Dual Core at minimum...
2GB of RAM minimum.

If you want to play any games that are new...you need a higher end Video Card.
 
Seeing how she can't be too good with computers that she is asking for help, and I can't believe I'm saying this but buy her a mac. It's very simple and user friendly.
 
Seeing how she can't be too good with computers that she is asking for help, and I can't believe I'm saying this but buy her a mac. It's very simple and user friendly.

And a bit out of her price range. And she's fine with computers, she just doesn't know about most of the technical aspects.

I'm looking for something between $500-$900.
 
I suggest buying one then...
I would get an Intel processor..
Dual Core at minimum...
2GB of RAM minimum.

If you want to play any games that are new...you need a higher end Video Card.

So the second one in my post should do it?
 
Darth...most looks good, but be prepared to put in a new graphics card if you are looking to play new games on it.
 
I'm basing everything I type right now on your first post... DO NOT DO NOT get the slimline.

If she's shopping at Best Buy and those are the two you're debating between, the m9500n may be your best bet.

You've listed two key things:
photoshop
gaming

The slimlines are junk for that.

The m9500 has a good processor, a fair amount of memory and an acceptable graphics card. You may not be playing all games on max settings but it will do you right and as a selling point to your family, unless it breaks, they will not need to buy a new computer for a few years with that model.

As Malice stated, if you want uber performance, you'll have to swap out the graphics card.

Having worked on a lot of the Best Buy HP machines, they all have the same problems:

1. not a lot of space for high end cards to fit
2. powersupply is not strong enough for said card.

Though honestly, I think you'll be happy with that machine. It may not be an uber beast but it'll treat you right.

My current build
Q6600
3 gigs RAM
Gefore 8800 GT

The system you linked is more powerful than mine and I can play most modern games on high settings with Anti Aliasing and shenanigans. Though I personally don't like how it looks and tend to disable them, I can run it with acceptable framerates.

I will give you a hint. If she's buying it from Best Buy, the store employee's will be offering a lot of different services that cost extra.

If she is shopping there in person, PM me. I can give you some advice while shopping at the store.
 
Yeah, I'm shopping around, I'm not set at buying it at Best Buy, ultimately, it's her choice though. I really like the m9500n, but the a6750y is more within her price range as she also wants to buy a new monitor so put aside about $200 for that. Maybe I'll need to chip in. :(
 
Yeah, she wants a big one so that's probably what I'll recommend.

the two factors that I look for in an LCD are the following
CONTRAST RATIO - x:1 - this is like 600:1 or 1400:1 like mine...the first number, the higher the better....

RESPONSE RATE - this is rated in milliseconds....6ms and less are good...mine is 4ms...

That is what I would look for a 4ms lcd with a Contrast ratio of no LESS than 1400:1....
 
Yeah, I'm shopping around, I'm not set at buying it at Best Buy, ultimately, it's her choice though. I really like the m9500n, but the a6750y is more within her price range as she also wants to buy a new monitor so put aside about $200 for that. Maybe I'll need to chip in. :(

The a6750 is a nice model. It's one step above the one I bought for my folks.

The quad core processor and the memory size is adequate. It has a 300 watt power supply, which means, depending which graphics card you purchase, not only will it be a tight fit, you'll need to upgrade the PSU. You're looking at attaching $50-$100 for a PSU and anywhere from $100-$350 for the GPU.


Yeah, she wants a big one so that's probably what I'll recommend.

This is where I make one of two jokes:

1. That's what she said.

2. Is your sister single?

the two factors that I look for in an LCD are the following
CONTRAST RATIO - x:1 - this is like 600:1 or 1400:1 like mine...the first number, the higher the better....

RESPONSE RATE - this is rated in milliseconds....6ms and less are good...mine is 4ms...

That is what I would look for a 4ms lcd with a Contrast ratio of no LESS than 1400:1....

For monitors, I tend to recommend in certain increment sizes... 21, is one I dislike, for no particular reason... 19, 22, 24, 27, etc. Those are the preset size frames I prefer. Obviously wide screen.

If she's intent on getting the monitor from Best Buy as well, most of them have anywhere from 1000:1 Contrast Ratio and up.

The HP desktops do not come with speakers, they're built into the monitor, that may be a price point for his sister to note. If this is the case, she may be inclined to go for one of the packages with an HP monitor. If not, remember to purchase speakers separately (I'm a fan of Bose) and I'd recommend Samsung for monitor choices.

As Malice said, Contrast Ratio is the rating of colors between light and darks. English translation, higher the contrast ration, better the myriad of colors looks. Minimum you want is 600 or so. Average recommendation I make is 1000 and up.

Keep in mind in terms of appearance and color, that is only one aspect. Many monitors have unlisted specs such as how the monitor appears at certain angles (very important) and outright brightness (lumens I think, though that may just be projectors.)

The reason I say angle is important is I've had my current monitor for a few months and just the other day, I changed the angle and noticed that the awesome color quality of my monitor, got even better.

Response Time is what controls the delay of high paced action that occurs on your computer, to when your screen processes it. For everyday users, anything under 12ms is fine. For gamers, you start at 4 and work downward. Lowest I've seen is 2ms, which I currently sport. Oh yeah, lower the better for MS.

Both specs are worth knowing but unless you buy product online from cheap places, most modern stores have averages of around 600:1 Contrast Ratio and up as well as 6ms and below.
 
My two cents...

I hate HP computers. Hate them. And I'm not the only one.

One of the other guys on the forum had an HP and it was having problems. Tried a system restore, and it jacked up his machine.

Since his computer didn't come with a system disk (which is crap, HP should have included one like other manufacturers do). So he called to get one, and, not only did he get lousy customer service, they tried to charge him for it.

Suffice it to say, he told HP to shove it. And I have used HP in the past, and can't stand them. Our work computers are HP systems, and their garbage compared to the other stuff you can get out there.
 
My two cents...

I hate HP computers. Hate them. And I'm not the only one.

One of the other guys on the forum had an HP and it was having problems. Tried a system restore, and it jacked up his machine.

Since his computer didn't come with a system disk (which is crap, HP should have included one like other manufacturers do). So he called to get one, and, not only did he get lousy customer service, they tried to charge him for it.

Suffice it to say, he told HP to shove it. And I have used HP in the past, and can't stand them. Our work computers are HP systems, and their garbage compared to the other stuff you can get out there.


I have to repeat this a dozen times at work every day. I'll repeat it here. Brand name means nothing. All Brand Name controls is their customer service.

Only the parts and cost matter.

That having been said, the vague description of your friend's computer problem, I've experienced with EVERY brand name and custom builds.


Manufacturers, ALL manufactures, DO NOT include Recovery Discs. When you buy a computer online, you have an option to buy them separately. When you buy them in a store, if you're not rushing the sale representative, or if the person you're working with isn't a ******, they tell you the discs are not included.

The only brand I know still includes their discs for free in stores are Dell.

All manufacturers leave a note in the paper work you get with the computer to create the discs and how. Some even force popups on your computer to do the backups unless you disable them.

If you want the BS reason companies give for not including the discs, it's as follows: it's for environmental purposes.

Most brands, especially HP, partition the computers HDD.

So unless your friends HDD went bad or he deleted the partition, he could have restored the computer without the discs.

Toshiba, as if 6-8 months ago stopped pre-providing discs.
Gateway, same as Toshiba.
E-Machines, same as Gateway.
Acer, hasn't provided in 3-4 years.
HP/Compaq, same as Acer
Sony, same as HP/Compaq.

Fun side note, unrelated, Gateway owns e-Machines and Packard Bell. Gateway is also owned by Acer.

Final note, I'm not defending HP, I merely hate a poor educated rant. I agree it's messed up they don't provide you the discs, the problems that were had with the computer it self have nothing to do with the brand.

OS corruption, infections, faulty hardware, that's all up to chance and in some cases user interaction. When a brand name legitimately messes up on a model, they do a recall. If they had done a recall on your friends model, the customer service would have been liable to inform him. Since they did not, they likely havn't.
 
Customer service should be a factor in buying a computer. An important factor for those especially not computer savvy. So if a brand name like HP gives horrible customer service, then I say avoid them.


As for the technology, manufacturers don't necessarily get their parts from the same places. All I can attest to is the computer experiences I've had over the many years I've been using them.

HP, Gateway, Packard Bell, Compaq, E-Machines. Horrible systems. I've dealt with problems and issues with all of them. From that list, HP is probably the best.

Acer, Toshiba, Sony I've not had issues with. But I've not used them very much either.

Dell, have only had one problem. After around 3 or 4 years of use, a couple of capacitors in my power supply blew out. Swapped in a new PS, everything is fine. And my older Dell still runs just fine.

Home built systems, only had one problem with heat when I overclocked the processor. Stopped overclocking, no more issues.

Apple, some of the pain on my older MacBook Pro has peeled off with use. Occasionally key presses won't get recognized. This all would have been covered by Apple's warranty had my sister not dented the case and invalidated it. (So, not Apples fault the customer service couldn't do anything.)
 
Customer service should be a factor in buying a computer. An important factor for those especially not computer savvy. So if a brand name like HP gives horrible customer service, then I say avoid them.

Most Customer Services I've dealt with are top notch if you've got their full warranties and have paid for their tech support. The catch is most folks are defaulting to the manufacters. Which is simply parts and labor, nothing more.

As for the technology, manufacturers don't necessarily get their parts from the same places. All I can attest to is the computer experiences I've had over the many years I've been using them.

HP, Gateway, Packard Bell, Compaq, E-Machines. Horrible systems. I've dealt with problems and issues with all of them. From that list, HP is probably the best.

Acer, Toshiba, Sony I've not had issues with. But I've not used them very much either.

As noted Acer owns three of the companies you've cited as crap. And the key factor here is that if you're buying line level of ANY company, the parts are always crap.

The Toshiba Satellite series from 2007-2008 were drek whereas their Qosmio series had some solid parts. Same goes for nearly every brand. The higher end HP's have some decent mobo's for example.

Dell, have only had one problem. After around 3 or 4 years of use, a couple of capacitors in my power supply blew out. Swapped in a new PS, everything is fine. And my older Dell still runs just fine.

Dell's are hit or miss depending how much you paid and what model you got. The one thing dell has always been terrible on is the proprietary hardware they choose to use.

You can find a replacement mobo for most HP towers. That ain't happening for any Dell. Who remembers RDRAM? :)

Home built systems, only had one problem with heat when I overclocked the processor. Stopped overclocking, no more issues.

If you're a non tech saavy person relying on someone to build your computer, tech support will be a coin toss. Most small stores will only put so much energy and effort into helping their clientelle before they decide they want peace of mind.

Apple, some of the pain on my older MacBook Pro has peeled off with use. Occasionally key presses won't get recognized. This all would have been covered by Apple's warranty had my sister not dented the case and invalidated it. (So, not Apples fault the customer service couldn't do anything.)

When it comes to Apple care. When you're covered under warranty, they take care of you. The reason being is that most Apple products are highly priced compared to that $300 Acer or Compaq you can pick up. There is a higher margin value and Apple prides itself on high end products, thus there is more a profit line to go towards their tech support.

Not being tech saavy is an excuse this day in age. We live in a world where you can literally google 95% of tech problems away. The average consumer is lazy and wants to be stupid. The average consumer wants to spend as little as possible for the best they can get. Problem is, when you create a market based off of cheap goods, the support you get in return is the same quality.

Acer, Gateway, Toshiba, Sony, Packard Bell, IBM, Lenovo, Compaq, E-Machines, Velocity, Dell's, and dozens more. I see every brand possible on a daily basis. No one brand has a monopoly on poorly made goods.

The truth of the matter is these days, if you're going to buy a computer, you need a small level of education and common sense. Do research, ask your friends, shop around, browse.

If you know you're ******ed with tech, research on ways to compensate. I've worked in retail for years and not a single ****ing person has ever asked me: "Do you have any paperwork entailing what a MFG warranty covers?"

Of the people I've dealt with only a small number are there to actual research.

End punch line: Your friend's scenario, a corrupt OS has nothing to do with the parts you use.

HP is a company. They'll help you when they've ****ed up or if you've paid for their service. Why should they help you for free? We're still a capitalistic society right?
 

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