Comics So, wait.. Pa is dead?

[theMan-Bat]

I prefer Superman who is formed by his pride in his Kryptonian heritage as well as the Kents' upbringing. He doesn't pine for Krypton, nor does he pine for the Kents. In fact, he shouldn't pine at all. Superman is about hope, optimism. Pining doesn't suit his character.

Superman certainly is about hope, optimism. I agree that he shouldn't pine at all. He shouldn't pine for Krypton and he would have no reason to long painfully for Pa either if he was still alive. I prefer a Superman who is formed by the Kent's upbringing and views his Kryptonian heritage only as a curious memento of a life that might have been.

Second, distilling Superman down to just being Farmboy Clark diminishes him and makes him too relatable, too much like us when he should be someone we persevere to be like. Inspirational. Not saying he disregards the farm life, but that he moves on from it after discovering his purpose. Who he is at his core is not a farmboy who wishes to be a normal, but a guy who solely wants to make the world a better place and inspire humanity through his actions. That's Superman to me.

Him thinking of himself as a Kansas farmboy at heart doesn't diminish him. It doesn't mean he's a red-neck ignorant hick. I prefer a Superman who doesn't think of himself as a god or an alien, but is humble and grounded enough to think of himself as a wholesome Kansas farmboy at heart. That's charming and likable. And it makes sense because of his upbringing. That's how he was raised.

He uses his power to help humanity, seeks out the people and places that need somebody who can do the things he can do. He has a responsibility to set an example of others. He enjoys helping people as Superman, and also has a need for a normal private life as Clark Kent in he's free time.

I agree about not wanting Clark Kent to be a bumbling, cowardly guy, but as a persona who should distance himself from Supemran, Clark should be quiet, unassuming, mild-mannered, and occasionally clumsy to throw people off.

I agree. Clark should be more or less a quiet everyday type guy. Mild mannered (which glasses are supposed to denote) so he couldn't possibly BE the bravest man in the world. The glasses promote the image of the quiet, studious type of guy whom one wouldn't expect to be flying around the world battling criminals.

 

[The Sage]

Superman certainly is about hope, optimism. I agree that he shouldn't pine at all. He shouldn't pine for Krypton and he would have no reason to long painfully for Pa either if he was still alive. I prefer a Superman who is formed by the Kent's upbringing and views his Kryptonian heritage only as a curious memento of a life that might have been.

Of course, but I prefer a Superman who's formed not only by the Kents, but by his experiences in the world, through his learning of humanity and the range of senses his abilities grant him, as well as one who views his heritage as an example of a world that achieved the best out of its potential.

Him thinking of himself as a Kansas farmboy at heart doesn't diminish him. It doesn't mean he's a red-neck ignorant hick. I prefer a Superman who doesn't think of himself as a god or an alien, but is humble and grounded enough to think of himself as a wholesome Kansas farmboy at heart. That's charming and likable. And it makes sense because of his upbringing. That's how he was raised.

Oh I most definitely agree that Superman wouldn't view himself as a god, but an adopted member of Earth and a helper to the human race. He should be grounded and humble--as being Clark Kent would do to him--but that doesn't necessitate that he should view himself as a farmboy, especially when he's able to view the world in ways a normal person can't.

He uses his power to help humanity, seeks out the people and places that need somebody who can do the things he can do. He has a responsibility to set an example of others. He enjoys helping people as Superman, and also has a need for a normal private life as Clark Kent in he's free time.

I agree.

I agree. Clark should be more or less a quiet everyday type guy. Mild mannered (which glasses are supposed to denote) so he couldn't possibly BE the bravest man in the world. The glasses promote the image of the quiet, studious type of guy whom one wouldn't expect to be flying around the world battling criminals.

I agree x2.

 

[Spider-Bat]

I'm sad about Pa. It brings it back to the older stuff before the revamp. But I liked both parents alive, it gave him that home base to go back home to. I know your parents don't stay around forever but they should have kept Pa alive.

I hope they didn't do it just to go along with stupid smallville which has nothing to do with Superman, just in its own dumb continuity which has painted them into a corner now they are acting like they don't know how to do his alter ego since he has no glasses, anyway, Pa should not die!

 

[[A]]

Is this from that story where they're taken to the Olympus by Darkseid..?

 

[theMan-Bat]

Is this from that story where they're taken to the Olympus by Darkseid..?

That's the one. Action Comics #600.

 

[Sam]

Action Comics #870 by Geoff Johns
I don't like this at all. His living human foster parents are what keeps Superman grounded and helps him keep his humanity and his head screwed on properly. Pa Kent’s advice directs the man.

True, but Clark is a man now. He is married.

What he learned from Pa Kent will never be forgotten, and will drive his action in the future. Just like what we learned from our parents continue with us.

 

[[A]]

That's the one. Action Comics #600.

Good, I recognized it

 

[theMan-Bat]

True, but Clark is a man now. He is married.

What he learned from Pa Kent will never be forgotten, and will drive his action in the future. Just like what we learned from our parents continue with us.

Batman is a man now, but he still needs Alfred. As Alfred is the one father figure character with the proper authority to talk Batman down, Pa Kent is the one father figure character with the proper authority to talk Superman down. Pa Kent serves as a confidant and father figure. It's such a waste to kill him off. The marriage to Lois Lane is what should be killed off.

 

[Sam]

Batman is a man now, but he still needs Alfred. As Alfred is the one father figure character with the proper authority to talk Batman down, Pa Kent is the one father figure character with the proper authority to talk Superman down. Pa Kent serves as a confidant and father figure. It's such a waste to kill him off. The marriage to Lois Lane is what should be killed off.

Are u really comparing Batman and Superman? Completally different. Bruce Wayne lost his parents when he was very young. Clark didnt. Clarke was raised by his father. Besides, Batmans is a fu#$ed up character. Little crazy.

And Ma Kent is still alive. And Clark has Lois, she knows his identidy and she is married with him.

I agree 100% with u about Clark and Lois marriage, btw!

 

[theMan-Bat]

Are u really comparing Batman and Superman? Completally different. Bruce Wayne lost his parents when he was very young. Clark didnt. Clarke was raised by his father.

No, Clark lost his real parents when Krypton exploded, Clark was raised by the Kansas farm couple that found him.

Besides, Batmans is a fu#$ed up character. Little crazy.

Because Batman watched his parents murdered right in front of him at age 8. That would make you a little fu#$ed up in the head.

And Ma Kent is still alive.

Clark is now seriously lacking in a father figure.

And Clark has Lois, she knows his identidy and she is married with him.

Unfortunately.

I agree 100% with u about Clark and Lois marriage, btw!

Right on!

 

[Sam]

No, Clark lost his real parents when Krypton exploded, Clark was raised by the Kansas farm couple that found him.

Come on. U know what i mean.

Because Batman watched his parents murdered right in front of him at age 8. That would make you a little fu#$ed up in the head.

Exactly. That was my point.

Right on!

 

[theMan-Bat]

Come on. U know what i mean.

Yeah, I known what you mean. Jonathan and Martha are his parental figures, as Alfred is Batman's parental figure.

 

[Cosmic]

I much prefer Pa's death in Donner's film. It's not triggered by anything in particular, or linked to any external cause. Despite all of his powers, there was nothing Clark could have done to save him.

 

[Sam]

Yeah, I known what you mean. Jonathan and Martha are his parental figures, as Alfred is Batman's parental figure.

No. Its different.

For all efects, Jonatha and Martha ARE Clark parents, since they raised Clark as a son. Clark just discovered he had other parents dead from another planet (when he was just a baby) after became a teen.

Bruce didnt. Alfred is parental figure to Bruce. Jonathan and Martha ARE parents.

Whatever.. understand anyway u want.

 

[theMan-Bat]

No. Its different.

For all efects, Jonathan and Martha Clark parents, since they raised Clark as a son. Clark just discovered he had other parents dead from another planet (when he was just a baby) after became a teen.

Bruce didnt. Alfred is parental figure to Bruce. Jonathan and Martha ARE parents.

Whatever.. understand anyway u want.

I understand that it's not so different.

Jonathan and Martha are Clark's parental figures, but they are not Clark's real parents. Jor-El and Lara were. But they're dead.

Alfred is much more than just an English butler. For all effects Alfred is Bruce's parent, since he raised Bruce like a son,
becoming more like both a father and mother than a butler.

But he's not his real parent. Thomas and Martha were. But they're dead.
The bottom line is that both Jonathan and Alfred are father figures. And we need father figures, mentors, advisers, guides in our lives...at any age.
Removing that person from Superman's present cast is a great loss, diminishing his cast. John Byrne greatly enhanced Superman's cast by making Jonathan a living father figure that Clark can talk to, rather than the tragic dead guy Clark couldn't save. As Frank Miller greatly enhanced Batman's cast by making Alfred a living father figure that raised Bruce, rather than the silly butler Bruce Wayne hired to clean and cook.

 

[Ugfugly]

Nobody stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben and Bucky. Oh and the Waynes.

Wait what? Bucky's back as Winter Soldier? Well Uncle Ben and the Waynes then

 

[theMan-Bat]

True.

 

[storyteller]

Personally i think Pa kents death worth in this sense

originally it led to Clark becoming a man


Well Clarks a man now, but that doesnt mean he's doen growing up. Maybe if they push the fact that Clark has a wife and while they bombed out on the kid thing before, it will always come up again and also Clark is reaching his 30's. He's reaching the age to when the Kents found him.