Discussion in 'The Avengers Sequels' started by Captain Marvel, Apr 16, 2012.
Kevin Feige in a interview mention that he did a lot of reading on the making of Star Wars.
Joss Whedon has said that he feels a common fallacy than befalls a lot of movie sequels, especially action/super hero movies, is an attempt the previous film in terms of action and epicness. Going from that, he's said that he'd like to avoid that by making the Avengers sequel quieter and more personal. Not that there won't be action, but the goal would be to top the dramatic elements of the first film as opposed to the spectacle of it.
My point in bringing this up is that Thanos, an evil genius who's insane and is trying to impress death by murdering everyone so she'll go out with him is the perfect character to engage in some really dark, twisted mind ****ery with the characters and I hope that's the way the next film goes. Portraying Thanos as a threat not because he's the most powerful guy ever, but because he's completely unrelenting in his cruelty and hurts them in very direct and personal ways. I think that would be totally awesome.
I have a darkness in me.
Feel the darkness flowing through you, young Jedi
You keep getting stuck on 'they constructed it, so it must be used.' All that means is that they planned to use it at one time. What have I supposed, exactly? All I'm doing is telling you what the movies said, you're the only one suggesting there's more to it.
You're right, but that's a bit of a nitpick. My point was the cube gives him what he needs to accomplish his goals.
In a film, exposition is exposition, not character development. See how you have to contradict the movie's storyline to get your point, while all I have to do is say 'hey, Feige didn't know the exact story of Avengers before it was written.' This answers your early question, how it contradicts.
I took that as an indication that they were planning to use Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet Storyline (which you can do with any macguffin). Perhaps they'll do the Infinity Gauntlet. Whedon can juggle six superheroes, that's never been done, perhaps he can also juggle two different cosmic level superdevices, which has also never been done. Sure. Whatev.
But it was never in their long term plan to have gems spread out throughout multiple movies and take over those storylines (thank goodness). And the story works without the IG, so including it could be a waste of time and energy. I guess we'll see.
This is a great point. The best one so far for the use of the IG, imho. It does make sense that he wants something from Asgard, as that's what he's set up for. The Infinity Gauntlet still doesn't make sense in the context of the films, as you said, the reason we expect it is because of the history in the comics, not because it makes sense in the films. I mean, what you're saying makes sense, but by the same token, if Odin has the IG sitting 6 gems full in his treasure room... why did Loki take the Casket instead? Why did Odin need to gather dark energy in order to send Thor to Earth?
So yes, a very easy train of thought to follow. That doesn't mean it goes anywhere.
I really can't say how excited I am about Whedon going that way with a sequel. I don't think Thanos is the character for that, though. I could be wrong, but I don't know that he's been a big torturer before. He seems really impersonal.
He's also not much of a brawler. He's strong enough to be one, but he generally orchestrates situations where his enemies are just royally ****ed.
He is impersonal, but I think that's a part of his cruelty. If the way to defeat a hero involves murdering his parents in front of him to demoralize him, Thanos would do it and barely think about it. That's the kind of personal I'm talking about.
It's highly unlikely that Loki could ever wield the Gauntlet. (Or even wear it....have you seen the size of that thing? It was built for Thanos' big mitt.) Maybe not even Odin. *Thanos* created the Gauntlet, as a way to control all six Infinity Gems. Which means that, in the MCU, the events of the Infinity Gauntlet/War etc. have already taken place, after a fashion. And Odin somehow wound up in control of the Gauntlet. And now Thanos wants it back.
So, they had the means to solve all their problems... but their hands weren't big enough? This didn't even get a mention? Is that a plausible explanation in a film? This all powerful thing is tucked away on the side of the room because it's too big for my hands?
The IG may indeed play a role, but it clearly isn't what it is in the comics.
Could be interesting. It's not the way I would go, but I can't deny it has an appeal.
For the sake of the movies, I don't think it would be too far-fetched to say the gauntlet form fits to the person trying to wield it. I'm sure that won't be the case, but it would make sense.
I could see Loki wearing it, but that doesn't mean he can make it work. For someone not on Thanos' level it would just be a giant accessory that looks pretty with the gems in it.
Maybe they can work out a deal,like they did w/Paramount.Where FOX gets a % of the movie gross and release The FF under FOX logo,but it will still be own by Disney.
I would put Thanos in the Guardians of the Galaxy project as some other posters have visioned. He is too big a threat to be reduced to the Earth.
Avengers still has formidable foes. Ultron, Kang, MoE. All suffice and that is material for three more movies if I can count.
It's far, far more complicated than that.
What it boils down to is that the Infinity Gems are entities. Highly, highly intelligent and fickle ones. You do not choose them, they choose you. If they choose not to grant you their powers, they don't do it, period. And even when Thanos first made the Gauntlet, *he* wasn't even aware of its full power: he just created it as a place to gather the six gems together and wield their power separately....it wasn't until years later that he found out that the Gauntlet could combine the powers of the Gems and give him utter omnipotence.
But no, you don't just walk up and put the Gauntlet on and expect to do anything with it. Doesn't work that way. At all.
I'd like to see Drax the Destroyer at some point, simply because of how personal his grudge with Thanos is.
That's cool for the comics. "Ten bucks" says it won't work like that in the films. How could it?
Hmmm... hasn't he been to Earth before, though? I think the Guardians of the Galaxy movie will really just exist to explain and extrapolate on Thanos and his powers and motives and such.
How couldn't it....? Joss proved that what works in the comics *does* work in movies, too. He brought a genuine 4-color comic book to life, and it worked beyond anyone's wildest expectations. It's a new era....whatever is possible in the comics is possible in the movie universe.