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... if the sun is red, then will it supernova soon?

if so, screw going there.:o
Its actually a Red Dwarf, its to weak to Supernova.. :( its a shame, if it did supernova then hopefully the planet's greatest mind would have invented some kind of spacecraft that would ride the shockwave of the Nova and carry his only son to the planet earth..
 
Its actually a Red Dwarf, its to weak to Supernova.. :( its a shame, if it did supernova then hopefully the planet's greatest mind would have invented some kind of spacecraft that would ride the shockwave of the Nova and carry his only son to the planet earth..

so, is there any life on said planet...?
 
so, is there any life on said planet...?
Well there is water, its got a sustainible atomsphere, and its got the right temp. ...Scientists haven't said there is life, and there isn't any signs.. But I'm gonna say there is..

Hell, just because life on earth is like us doesn't mean that life on another planet is just like us, hell they could be giant clouds of consciousness or living brainless Rock creatures.. Hell we're still searching for Binary radio signals, Aliens probably don't know binary because we invented it as a was of encoding patterns and unless there up to day with our encoding then think its a bunch of jiberish, hell they probably don't even use Radiowaves, they're probably using some weird-ass waves we haven't even wrapped our tiny little heads around.. if they can manipulate space and time at will and travel lightyears I highly doubt *****s still gonna be using FM to get his tunes..
 
First a Kyrptonite like thing is discovered & then a planet that can be named Krypton except with no exploding sun & then there is a moon next to Saturn that looks like the Death Star in Star Wars

Is Sci-Fi becoming a reality or something here
 
First a Kyrptonite like thing is discovered & then a planet that can be named Krypton except with no exploding sun & then there is a moon next to Saturn that looks like the Death Star in Star Wars

Is Sci-Fi becoming a reality or something here
That will be a glorious day. I call dibs on Borg Implants or Herald of Galactus, also on Time Lord!
 
I for one, think the moon base and mars mission proposal is the one and only thing Bush did that was right. Many say the moon mission will make it take longer for us to get to Mars. They are correct, but it's still the best way to go for developing NASA further. It will open the door to a new century of space travel, and provide massive spin off technology.

Some robotic home builders are being developed by NASA right now. They will fly to Mars prior to the astronauts arrival, and build their habitat. Investors are already saying that in 30 years this technology can be used to lower the cost of buying and owning a home by 50%.

Whoever opposes tax dollars being used for space exploration is very naive.
 
I'd believe it if all of those UFO visitors actually came from there.

-TNC
 
That's frelling cool. Yes, the sci-fi nerd in me is kind of geeking out about this.
 
The cool thing is its not THAT far away. As someone else said, it might be 20-30 years before a satallite gets close enough to get good images... and if that can confirm the existence of other life in this Universe, that is good enough for me. I don't expect us to actually make contact in my lifetime.
 
This thread inspired me to go to my mom's house and dig out my telescope. Luckily, it was in great shape and worked fine, despite missing a bolt or two. The glass is a bit dirty so I need to clean that. Just used the solar observation attachment to look at the sun (which is merely two plates; one with a hole to allow the sun to go through, the other to actually show the image of the sun) and I saw a sun spot on the plate, which was cool.

I've seen Jupiter and Saturn with it long ago, and can't wait to look through it on a clear summer's night.
 
Mankind's rarest view: Earth from afar

Space travelers recall what the planet looks like from above

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Anousheh Ansari / AP
Iranian-American space tourist Anousheh Ansari took this photo looking down at Earth from the international space station in September 2006.

When astronauts return from space, what they talk about isn’t the brute force of the rocket launch or the exhilaration of zero gravity. It’s the view.
And it’s mankind’s rarest view of all, Earth from afar.
Only two dozen men — those who journeyed to the moon — have seen the full Earth view.

Most space travelers, in low orbit, see only a piece of the planet — a lesser but still impressive glimpse. They have seen the curvature of Earth, its magnificent beauty, its fragility, and its lack of borders.
The first full view of Earth came from the moon-bound Apollo 8 during the waning days of a chaotic 1968. Apollo 8 astronaut Bill Anders put it in perspective in a documentary: “We came all this way to explore the moon, and the most important thing is that we discovered the Earth.”
Some of the photos Anders took were used on posters and pins on the first Earth Day in 1970. They’ve been “an environmental staple of Earth Days ever since,” said Denis Hayes, the first Earth Day coordinator.
For Earth Day this year — at a time when perhaps some perspective is needed — The Associated Press asked space travelers to recall what it’s like to see Earth from above:
“It was the only color we could see in the universe. ...
“We’re living on a tiny little dust mote in left field on a rather insignificant galaxy. And basically this is it for humans. It strikes me that it’s a shame that we’re squabbling over oil and borders.”
—Bill Anders, Apollo 8, whose photos of Earth became famous.

“It’s hard to appreciate the Earth when you’re down right upon it because it’s so huge.
“It gives you in an instant, just at a position 240,000 miles away from it, (an idea of) how insignificant we are, how fragile we are, and how fortunate we are to have a body that will allow us to enjoy the sky and the trees and the water ... It’s something that many people take for granted when they’re born and they grow up within the environment. But they don’t realize what they have. And I didn’t till I left it.”
—Jim Lovell, Apollo 8 and 13.

“The sheer beauty of it just brought tears to my eyes.
“If people can see Earth from up here, see it without those borders, see it without any differences in race or religion, they would have a completely different perspective. Because when you see it from that angle, you cannot think of your home or your country. All you can see is one Earth....”
—Anousheh Ansari, Iranian-American space tourist who flew last year to the international space station.

“Up in space when you see a sunset or sunrise, the light is coming to you from the sun through that little shell of the Earth’s atmosphere and back out to the spacecraft you’re in. The atmosphere acts like a prism. So for a short period of time you see not only the reds, oranges and yellows, the luminous quality like you see on Earth, but you see the whole spectrum red-orange-yellow-blue-green-indigo-violet.
“You come back impressed, once you’ve been up there, with how thin our little atmosphere is that supports all life here on Earth. So if we foul it up, there’s no coming back from something like that.”
—John Glenn, first American to orbit the Earth (1962) and former U.S. senator.

“I think you can’t go to space and not be changed, in many ways ....
“All of the teachings of the Bible that talk about the creator and his creation take on new meaning when you can view the details of the Earth from that perspective. So it didn’t change my faith per se, the content of it, but it just enhanced it, it made it even more real.”
—Jeff Williams, spent 6 months on the space station and set a record for most Earth photos taken.

“Earth has gone through great transitions and volcanic impacts and all sorts of traumatic things. But it has survived ... I’m not referring to human conflicts. I’m referring to the physical appearance of the Earth at a great distance. That it generally is mostly very peaceful (when) looked at from a distance.”
—Buzz Aldrin, second man to walk on the moon.

“I see the deep black of space and this just brilliantly gorgeous blue and white arc of the earth and totally unconsciously, not at all able to help myself, I said, ’Wow, look at that.”’
—Kathy Sullivan, first American woman to spacewalk, recalling what she said when she saw Earth in 1984.

“...From up there, it looks finite and it looks fragile and it really looks like just a tiny little place on which we live in a vast expanse of space. It gave me the feeling of really wanting us all to take care of the Earth. I got more of a sense of Earth as home, a place where we live. And of course you want to take care of your home. You want it clean. You want it safe.”
—Winston Scott, two-time shuttle astronaut who wrote a book, “Reflections From Earth Orbit.”

“You change because you see your life differently than when you live on the surface everyday. ... We are so involved in our own little lives and our own little concerns and problems. I don’t think the average person realizes the global environment that we really live in. I certainly am more aware of how fragile our Earth is, and, frankly, I think that I care more about our Earth because of the experiences I’ve had traveling in space.”
—Eileen Collins, first female space shuttle commander.

“You can see what a small little atmosphere is protecting us.
“You realize there’s not much protecting this planet particularly when you see the view from the side. That’s something I’d like to share with everybody so people would realize we need to protect it.”
—Sunita Williams, who has been living on the international space station since Dec. 11, 2006.

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“I left Earth three times. I found no place else to go. Please take care of Spaceship Earth.”
—Wally Schirra, who flew around Earth on Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions in the 1960s.
AP writers Rasha Madkour in Houston, Mike Schneider in Cape Canaveral, Fla., and Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18202449/
 
^ thats what i was thinkig the sun can generate imense power, but making the actual ship and getting it there will prove to be a challenge.

That is quite right. The sail would have to be the size of Texas. It would have to be constructed in space.
 
[SIZE=+1]Future Spaceships Flight to Mars in 2.5 Hours[/SIZE]



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Humans can build spaceships capable of reaching the Moon within minutes; a flight to Mars will take 2.5 hours, and a flight to Alpha Centauri, which is scores of light years away from Earth, will take a mere 80 days.
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[SIZE=-1]Incredible journeys can be a reality, say two German Doctors of Physics who put forth an audacious theory. Walter Dresher from the University of Innsbruck joined forces with Joachim Hoiser, a leading scientist with the German company HPCC-Space Gmbh.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]“The German physicists build their work on a theory formulated by the German scientist Burkhard Heim. The theory was put together in the 1950s,” says Vadim Pimenov, deputy director of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics under the Russian Academy of Sciences, professor at the Lomonosov Moscow State University. “Heim, a brilliant physicist and philosopher, was the first scientist who began thinking over the principles of space flights using a “hyper-engine.”[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]The concept seems improbable at first sight. In actuality, it is a byproduct of the efforts aiming to combine the quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity – two theories that so far have successfully foiled all the attempts to make them “friendly,” mostly due to differences in the interpretation of space and time. Heim made use of the Einstein concept regarding gravitation as a manifestation of distortions in the “fabric” of space and time. However, he suggested that all kinds of fundamental interaction be considered a manifestation of the complete set of spatial dimensions.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Heim introduced two additional dimensions since the existing ones were not enough for proving his theory. The physicist reportedly proved that gravitation and electromagnetism could combine in his 6-D space. He also maintained that a gravitational force could turn into an electromagnetic one, and vice versa, under certain conditions. It is still unclear whether Heim succeeded in combining the quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity. For reasons unknown, the scientist refused to made public all details of his theory until he carried out a “decisive” experiment. The experiment did not materialize either due to technical reasons or a lack of funds.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]“The German physicist Wolfgang Dresher dusted off Heim’s ‘strange ideas’ and threw in two more dimensions,” says Prof. Pimenov. “Dresher made a mathematical description of an 8-dimentional universe, the Heim-Dresher space, ‘featuring’ two more kinds of interaction,” says Prof. Pimenov.[/SIZE]

Future Spaceships Flight to Mars in 2.5 hours
An artist's drawing of what a future spacecraft might look like leaving Earth en route to the Moon or Mars. Source: nasa.gov
Dresher’s colleague Joachim Hoizer, along with a U.S. scientist John Kelvin and a Russian academician Nikolai Kozyrev supported the theory. According to them, a fast-spinning circle combined with a ring-shaped magnet in a strong magnetic field can “push” a space ship to other dimensions where different values of the natural constants, including the speed of light, may exist. The machine will be capable of creating anti-gravitation by moving a spaceship in regular space. “We’re not trying to challenge the existing laws of physics, we are expanding our views on them,” said Kelvin.

“Academic scholars would have reacted quite skeptically to such argumentation had it taken place a few years ago,” says Prof. Pimenov. “Nowadays the situation has changed. The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics recently published a list of last year’s award winners for the best theoretical works in aerospace research.

“The instructions for a space drive based on the Heim quantum theory” by Hoiser and Dresher was awarded in the category “The Future Flight.”

According to New Scientist, the work is a collection of speculations on the possibility of making a material object pass into the so-called parallel space (or “other universes) and return.

The dreams of a time machine are beginning to take shape in America . The so-called Z-machine is being built by the American National Laboratory Sandia. The machine is one of the world’s most powerful “impulse” sources of a magnetic field and the most powerful generator of roentgen rays. Similar experiments are being conducted in Moscow , by the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics under the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Story source at english.pravda.ru

This is a load right??? Yah these guys know more than me but cmon... pushing crafts to extra dimensions??? Okay..........
 
Well there is water, its got a sustainible atomsphere, and its got the right temp. ...Scientists haven't said there is life, and there isn't any signs.. But I'm gonna say there is..

Hell, just because life on earth is like us doesn't mean that life on another planet is just like us, hell they could be giant clouds of consciousness or living brainless Rock creatures.. Hell we're still searching for Binary radio signals, Aliens probably don't know binary because we invented it as a was of encoding patterns and unless there up to day with our encoding then think its a bunch of jiberish, hell they probably don't even use Radiowaves, they're probably using some weird-ass waves we haven't even wrapped our tiny little heads around.. if they can manipulate space and time at will and travel lightyears I highly doubt *****s still gonna be using FM to get his tunes..


Thank you NOIR.... someone willing to make educated points on the topic... the Star Wars and Superman references is spam and needs to stop people...
 
This is a load right??? Yah these guys know more than me but cmon... pushing crafts to extra dimensions??? Okay..........
Actually its not as farfetched as it sounds, its really plausible and well... cool :up:
 
My understanding was that the extra dimensions were too small for us to see... so I am just wondering how we'd build a space craft on a femto scale... which would probably never be possible...
 
Well.. They're small when compared to our Universe which is infinite..
Anyways, the "Hyperdrive" is more like a Slipstream, and it uses a little physics set to power it. There was this German guy who did a whole bunch of research into the GUT, and came up with the idea that Gravity and Electromagnism are the same thing, I mean think of like this:

An Electron falls because of gravity pulling it down, creating an Electromagnetic field, the Electromagnetic Field then creates electricity.

He believes that all particles are like ghosts constantly phasing from the 3 High Dimensions to a lower subspace. and by creating a larger enough field you could slip into this strange world which is smaller but would have insanely different laws, the speed of light would be faster, Nuclear fusion wouldn't happen.. it'd be interesting, and then once you move to were you want to going as fast as you want Via Repelling Magnets you simple juice up your field and slip out..

Its Brilliant!
 
William Barton said:
If you have a great big steaming wad of cash burning a whole in your pocket, there are real companies that already have every product and gizmo... in the design stage and beyond, many of them already under construction...
That will help you get to space (but each item you need will cost "a few tens of millions of dollars")

see the following sites

www.spacex.com
www.rocketplanekistler.com
www.spacehab.com
www.bigelowareospace.com
www.xcor.com
www.transformspace.com
www.andrews-space.com
 
Well.. They're small when compared to our Universe which is infinite..
Anyways, the "Hyperdrive" is more like a Slipstream, and it uses a little physics set to power it. There was this German guy who did a whole bunch of research into the GUT, and came up with the idea that Gravity and Electromagnism are the same thing, I mean think of like this:

An Electron falls because of gravity pulling it down, creating an Electromagnetic field, the Electromagnetic Field then creates electricity.

He believes that all particles are like ghosts constantly phasing from the 3 High Dimensions to a lower subspace. and by creating a larger enough field you could slip into this strange world which is smaller but would have insanely different laws, the speed of light would be faster, Nuclear fusion wouldn't happen.. it'd be interesting, and then once you move to were you want to going as fast as you want Via Repelling Magnets you simple juice up your field and slip out..

Its Brilliant!

Its still all theoretical... thats my point... this thread shouldn't be about that
 
Mars Exploration Rovers Update:
Spirit Finds Past Water at Home, Opportunity Takes in Tierra del Fuego
By A.J.S. Rayl
April 30, 2007

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Mars Exploration Rover
Credit: NASA / JPL / Maas

The Mars Exploration Rovers (MERs) traveled to new targets and made discoveries ranging from the magnificent to the mundane in April, four fast weeks that essentially led both of the twin robot field geologists to the next phase of their explorations.

It's been a long time coming, but in the Columbia Hills area of Gusev Crater Spirit roved back into the spotlight this month by uncovering solid evidence of past water around Home Plate.

http://www.planetary.org/news/2007/0430_Mars_Exploration_Rovers_Update_Spirit.html
 
teraforming.

for the survival of humans it only seems possible by terraforming other planets, and moons, earth as we know it will one day come to an end, and when that happens so will animals, plants, humans, well lets just say evrything, ware will we all be, non existant, i dont want that and i know that u dont want that either.

im all for the terraforming methods but are you? well like i said im sure you are if u wana live.


the most likly candidates for the terrafoming process are mars, venus and our own moon, there is also jupiters own io, but its soo far away from the son that weed freeze to death. so im sure that wont go over well.


for mars since its the #1 choice, what theyd (they as in nasa and whoever has to do with the project) i finally got to see mars underground so now i know in detail what the nars scientists must do.

what theyd need to do first is melt the polar ice caps by trapping heat into the planet, this is done by purposly realesing CO2 into the air, they would need to build smoke stacks to realese more and more CO2, they are now in the process of global warming, the planet should heat up to 10 degrees within 7-10 years, after the 10+ degree increse in heat is set, the carbon dioxide would have made a thick atmosphere, the sons rays will now heat the planet without the harmfull greenhouse gasses.

next, after the planet is warming up, the polar ice caps would melt, this will seep into the soil making it richer this could be very elpfull in planting, they first plant plants in a green house, keeping constant watch over it, they will grow fine since their indoors, the scientists will harvest the plants oxygen to use for their return trip. many years later when more plants are now on marses surface, the co2 atmosphere will now be oxygen inriched, which mean man could now walk on the planet.

many more years later natural waether will star occuring often, rain will fill oceans, rivers, lakes, streams. and the rain will also water the plants.


mars will now be filled with planlife.


now humans are ready to step foot on the new land, also microbacteria deep down in the soil will be able to surface, in millions of years time those tiny organisms would have evolved into full martians.

mars is now a place for humans and martians to co exist.

ok that part may or may not happen.

hopefully after the maned missons to mars in 2020 and after more data is collected and more reaserch is done, i think the plan for the terraformation will be drawn up.


its 100% possible to achive, and i hope it happens sooner rather than later, yea itl take about 100 somwhat years to complete but it will sooo be worth it in the end.

http://www.cascadia.ctc.edu/faculty...ojects F05/TF Mars F05.2/terraformingmars.jpg
 
So we should nuke the polar ice caps of mars?
That could be pretty cool.
 
yea nuke that son a *****.


nooo, heat it up with hundreds of thousands of blowdryers. or use mirrors to reflect the sun onto the ice.

yep mirror idea seems more likly.
 
There’s one main problem with the moon, it only has one-sixth the gravity of Earth and therefore would only have one-sixth of the atmosphere.
Mars is the real candidate except for one other issue, the gravity is also too weak. One hundred pounds on Earth is only about thirty-eight on Mars. After about a generation you’d have humans that couldn’t go to Earth because they’d be too weak to walk on the surface of the Earth.
That being said we need to figure out some way to deal with our population crisis. We need to figure out a way to work out the kinks with Mars and also I think it would be useful to terra form parts of Earth. The Sahara desert or example is the size of the United States, imagine if we could turn that into useful farm land.
 
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