Spider-Man 4 General News and Discussion Thread

[DyeLorean]

Yeah, I don't have an informed opinion about this choice.
I will say though I really really liked Destin Daniel Cretton during the press interviews for Shang-Chi. He sounded really confident about the work, he expressed himself fluently and with intelligence with some of the dumb questions they often get asked. Like, he wasn't dismissive.
So I think he's going to take care of this project. I'm on the positive side with this choice.

 

[RiXi]

I'm very disappointed about Shang-Chi 2. He's either not getting a sequel or they're waiting until after Doomsday and Secret Wars, when the character is more known by general audiences.

But if SM4 works, they'll want DDC to complete the second trilogy.
He's already attached to SC2 and the Naruto live action movie. So, he's gonna have to start accepting he can't do all of them. I hope he drops Naruto (most anime adaptations end up failing anyways), so he has to choose between continuing SC or SM.

On the other hand, while it's barely just speculation here, imagine the final fight consisting of Spider-Man, Daredevil and Shang-Chi fighting against Kingpin and his mafia thugs (or the Ten Rings).

Then of course, they'd have to find an excuse to have Shang-Chi on New York cause he lives in San Francisco (like Ant-Man). Marvel Sparkle Circle!

 

[Jewel Runner]

Probably because it’s been three years since that movie and it’s been damn near crickets ever since.

Again, Marvel clearly likes Cretton and had to be impressed by Shang-Chi in order to give him Wonder Man, and freaking Spider-Man and originally had him for Avengers 5 before plans on that changed.
If they were in any way dissatisfied with Shang-Chi he wouldn't be getting all this stuff, so clearly Shang-Chi sequel is coming.

 

[BobJM]

If DDC is directing this instead of Kang Dynasty, and since this is rumored to be very much a multiverse story, are we thinking this will be a lot of recycled ideas from that abandoned script? I’m sure the respective Spider-Men will be their universe’s anchor being, and they’ll have to re-team to fight Kang Morlun or an evil Spider-Man.

Bring in Emma Stone as Spider Gwen; give Tobey’s Spider-Man a teenage daughter named May Day; introduce Miles Morales, etc.

 

[DyeLorean]

Again, Marvel clearly likes Cretton

Yes, 100%.

 

[Elayis]

As someone who did not like Shang-Chi, Creston is still a solid pick. Short Term 12 is a great movie and Just Mercy was solid as well, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. At the very least he's a huge improvement over Watts and its nice to see Marvel shake things up a little with Spider-Man.

I'm still not overly hyped for this as Holland's Spidey hasn't impressed me yet, but I'm certainly more intrigued now than I was before this announcement.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If DDC is directing this instead of Kang Dynasty, and since this is rumored to be very much a multiverse story, are we thinking this will be a lot of recycled ideas from that abandoned script? I’m sure the respective Spider-Men will be their universe’s anchor being, and they’ll have to re-team to fight Kang Morlun or an evil Spider-Man.

Bring in Emma Stone as Spider Gwen; give Tobey’s Spider-Man a teenage daughter named May Day; introduce Miles Morales, etc.

Morlun would make me even less interested than I already am in a multiverse story, lol! I hate Morlun

 

[Frodo]

If DDC is directing this instead of Kang Dynasty, and since this is rumored to be very much a multiverse story, are we thinking this will be a lot of recycled ideas from that abandoned script? I’m sure the respective Spider-Men will be their universe’s anchor being, and they’ll have to re-team to fight Kang Morlun or an evil Spider-Man.

Bring in Emma Stone as Spider Gwen; give Tobey’s Spider-Man a teenage daughter named May Day; introduce Miles Morales, etc.

That never occurred to me , but it would make sense, especially since Spiderman was supposed to be a lead character in Kang Dynasty .
It could be some of the plot elements of that film regarding Peter may end up in Spiderman 4 as opposed to Avengers : Doomsday.

 

[BobJM]

Morlun would make me even less interested than I already am in a multiverse story, lol! I hate Morlun

Lol might as well dump all the bad into one movie

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I'm very disappointed about Shang-Chi 2. He's either not getting a sequel or they're waiting until after Doomsday and Secret Wars, when the character is more known by general audiences.

But if SM4 works, they'll want DDC to complete the second trilogy.
He's already attached to SC2 and the Naruto live action movie. So, he's gonna have to start accepting he can't do all of them. I hope he drops Naruto (most anime adaptations end up failing anyways), so he has to choose between continuing SC or SM.

On the other hand, while it's barely just speculation here, imagine the final fight consisting of Spider-Man, Daredevil and Shang-Chi fighting against Kingpin and his mafia thugs (or the Ten Rings).

Then of course, they'd have to find an excuse to have Shang-Chi on New York cause he lives in San Francisco (like Ant-Man). Marvel Sparkle Circle!

The last thing I'd want in a grounded Spidey flick is another "Marvel Sparkle Circle". Just get Shang-Chi on a plane and say he has business in NY.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't think Marvel has a problem with doing a street level Spider-Man movie. Its Sony that wants the multiverse stuff because of the success of No Way Home and definitely after the success of Deadpool & Wolverine.

The higher-ups at Disney might also be agreeing with Sony at this point because of all of the recent flops + massive success of Deadpool 3.

 

[Frodo]

The higher-ups at Disney might also be agreeing with Sony at this point because of all of the recent flops + massive success of Deadpool 3.

That's why I'm not giving Feige and Disney a pass on Spiderman 4 , if it's a multiverse film.

If the Multiverse Spiderman 4 stuff is true ,it's not just because that's what Sony wants.
It's because Disney / Marvel Studios wants it as well.

So I'm not gonna just blame Sony, and give Marvel/ Disney a pass for this , if true.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I don't blame Marvel OR Sony for going where the money is. No Way Home did incredible numbers during the pandemic. Deadpool And Wolverine just broke a billion. Even Doctor Strange MOM (a film that isn't very good) did around $700 million. Its clear that multiverse nostalgia equals big box office.

I will blame them if the movie sucks. If the movie is great, I won't mourn what could have been.

 

[Lily Adler]

I don't blame Marvel OR Sony for going where the money is. No Way Home did incredible numbers during the pandemic. Deadpool And Wolverine just broke a billion. Even Doctor Strange MOM (a film that isn't very good) did around $700 million. Its clear that multiverse nostalgia equals big box office.

I will blame them if the movie sucks. If the movie is great, I won't mourn what could have been.

Spidey and Daredevil taking on the Sinister Six?

 

[Jewel Runner]

The higher-ups at Disney might also be agreeing with Sony at this point because of all of the recent flops + massive success of Deadpool 3.

It's weird how people say stuff like this as if there were than two movies that did poorly.
Because it was just Quantumania and the Marvels everything has been successful.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't blame Marvel OR Sony for going where the money is. No Way Home did incredible numbers during the pandemic. Deadpool And Wolverine just broke a billion. Even Doctor Strange MOM (a film that isn't very good) did around $700 million. Its clear that multiverse nostalgia equals big box office.

I will blame them if the movie sucks. If the movie is great, I won't mourn what could have been.

It's not a matter of mourning what we didn't get. It's a matter of me just not being interested in this vision for the character. Cause anymore, Spiderverse is the ONLY flavor of Spider-Man we are getting. I was fine with NWH as a one-time novelty. I was fine with the Spiderverse movies cause they were doing all that in their own dedicated space. But if that's what we are getting here as well, then I am oversaturated on this type of product. One I already don't care for with Spider-Man. I am fine with characters like the FF or Doctor Strange playing in that multiverse world consistently as its baked into the concept. But I strongly dislike this forcing who historically has been a street level hero into being this multiverse traversing thing. I want to see Spider-Man fighting guys like Electro and bank robbers and such. I hate Morlun, the Spider Totem, and all this crap. The fact it's now all they're doing is just salt on the wound. I am just way past over it. Yeah, I understand ehats making them money. But that doesn't inherently mean I have to give them MY money

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It's weird how people say stuff like this as if there were than two movies that did poorly.
Because it was just Quantumania and the Marvels everything has been successful.

I said what I said based on the conversations I have had with others on this very forum. and it was much more than Antman 3 & Marvel 2. It was also Eternals, Thor 4, and this is without getting into the Disney+ shows.

 

[Frodo]

I don't blame Marvel OR Sony for going where the money is. No Way Home did incredible numbers during the pandemic. Deadpool And Wolverine just broke a billion. Even Doctor Strange MOM (a film that isn't very good) did around $700 million. Its clear that multiverse nostalgia equals big box office.

I will blame them if the movie sucks. If the movie is great, I won't mourn what could have been.

I think we all understand why Marvel and Sony want to make a Multiverse film.

My point, is that fans who say , " this is all Sony's doing " are ignoring the reality that both studios want a multiverse film ,and are arguing that Marvel Studios is somehow passive in all of this.

So , for people looking for someone to blame or point the finger to for a Multiverse film , it lies with both studios.

I was talking about fans who don't want a multiverse film, not ones who are open to one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think we all understand why Marvel and Sony want to make a Multiverse film.

My point, is that fans who say , " this is all Sony's doing " are ignoring the reality that both studios want a multiverse film ,and are arguing that Marvel Studios is somehow passive in all of this.

So , for people looking for someone to blame or point the finger to for a Multiverse film , it lies with both studios.

I was talking about fans who don't want a multiverse film, not ones who are open to one.

Ultimately I don't care who is at fault. The wind result is I don't like what they're appearing to be doing

 

[Frodo]

Ultimately I don't care who is at fault. The wind result is I don't like what they're appearing to be doing

Yeah, I feel you.

I thought the end to NWH was so perfect , and set up alot of interesting directions to go , that didn't require the multiverse storyline.

 

[BoredGuy]

I personally didn't like how the third act took the film to another level of stake + CGI. it would have been refreshing to have an MCU film less focused on spectacle and more on grounded action + characters, but that's just my opinion.

maybe we'll Shang Chi teaching Peter The way of the Spider. that's how it happened in the comics, right?

I get that, but it worked for me
I thought his battle with Wenwu was good, and liked that it resolved with Wenwu making the sacrifice after coming to his senses
Plus, the dragon was pretty epic, and overall that's the closest we've gotten to a live action Dragonball movie lol

And yeah, I'd like him teaching Pete how to fight, Spidey needs some better fighting skills to go with his reflexes and Peter Tingle

 

[Spider-Fan]

I didn't love the finale of Shang-Chi cause it was so much better as a Kung-Fu movie, so it devolving into a big CG monster mess was not as interesting as what came before. But it also didn't make it a bad movie or anything. Just not as strong an Act 3 as 1 and 2

 

[Jewel Runner]

I said what I said based on the conversations I have had with others on this very forum. and it was much more than Antman 3 & Marvel 2. It was also Eternals, Thor 4, and this is without getting into the Disney+ shows.

Love and Thunder was successful at the box office, it was one of the highest grossing movies of 2022, calling it a flop is factually wrong.
And Eternals like Shang-Chi and Black Widow released during the pandemic, when people were encouraged to stay inside, almost nothing made money at that time, it's why Disney tried doing that Premier Access thing with Black Widow on Disney Plus because they knew they couldn't keep pushing the movies back but also knew they couldn't make money on them thanks to the timing.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Love and Thunder was successful at the box office, it was one of the highest grossing movies of 2022, calling it a flop is factually wrong.
And Eternals like Shang-Chi and Black Widow released during the pandemic, when people were encouraged to stay inside, almost nothing made money at that time, it's why Disney tried doing that Premier Access thing with Black Widow on Disney Plus because they knew they couldn't keep pushing the movies back but also knew they couldn't make money on them thanks to the timing.

you're right, I was wrong to refer to Thor 4 as a flop. but as far as the ongoing narrative of the MCU goes, it's not regarded well from what I can tell. I didn't say anything about Shang Chi or Black Widow though, btw. Eternals on the other hand, we can forgive the box office results, but it was regarded even worse than Thor 4 was.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I get that, but it worked for me
I thought his battle with Wenwu was good, and liked that it resolved with Wenwu making the sacrifice after coming to his senses
Plus, the dragon was pretty epic, and overall that's the closest we've gotten to a live action Dragonball movie lol

And yeah, I'd like him teaching Pete how to fight, Spidey needs some better fighting skills to go with his reflexes and Peter Tingle

the dragon was epic but it felt out of place for everything in the movie that we were already seeing. pretty much agree again wihth @Spider-Fan 's assessment above. what we saw in the third act could have been something they saved for the sequel.