Spiderman 3.1 Final Swing Edition- Fan edit

[Jack O Lantern]

why don't you make your own films?

 

[Vash1538]

vash, how long is the edit?

right around 130 min, pretty close to the original run time of 140.

 

[Symbiote789]

Can't wait to see it.

 

[KurtMysterio]

Damn, that sounds really, really great. I'll be waiting to check it out too!

 

[Vash1538]

Somethings coming.... shall we say.... the trailer and the release date? Its being uploaded to youtube as we speak, I'll edit this as soon as its up

it got the audio track off slightly on the upload for some reason, but here it is:

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[/YT]

hope you guys enjoy it

 

[Symbiote789]

^^
Whoo hoo

Sweet vid.

 

[KurtMysterio]

October? Booo! I can't wait that long!

 

[sumspiderman]

awww man! that's almost a month from now, I was hoping next week or something. ah well, can't rush perfection.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Somethings coming.... shall we say.... the trailer and the release date? Its being uploaded to youtube as we speak, I'll edit this as soon as its up

it got the audio track off slightly on the upload for some reason, but here it is:


hope you guys enjoy it

That was awsome! Too bad about the wait, but i'm sure it will be worth it! The ending with Peter staring at the suit and the drums beating was a great touch! Excellent work!

 

[Kletyse]

Looks really good, tho I am curious, how/where are you gonna upload it to?

 

[Spider-Man '92]

I can't say much about it, you didn't really show us much in that trailer. I want to see actual edited footage, to get a real idea of what you're aiming for.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Only 10 more days!

 

[Vash1538]

Got some updates for you guys on the film.

From fanedit.org:

Molusar has previewed the film, and sent some ideas. Since I have done my rough cut of Batman Returns, I have learned many things, and have gone back to the original Spiderman 3 DVD source, and begun re-mastering the edit, trying to tie up any loose ends or slight audio issues that remain before release.

Updates include:

1) Peter v Harry first fight sped up and toned down. As I have read on a few boards, people thought that fight was over the top, the damage they both took should have put them both in the hospital. Toned some of that down, and since he fight dragged, I made some other cuts to speed it up.

2) Removed the out of place comedy after Harry is close lined by Peter's webline and is knocked off his glider

3) Removed Harry returning home with Peter. Scene added nothing to the film, done for pacing and relevance.

4) Peter removed from marching with the band during Spiderman Day

5) Improved symbiont take over sequence,

6) Better transition during a black suit spidey scene.

7) Better pacing for the scene after Peter sees the monster in the mirror,

Moving the talk with Aunt May about killing Marco

9) Adding in MJ getting off the elevator at Harry's house

10) Moved first Doc Conners conversation about the symbiont

11) Altered Harry's threat to MJ, removed "If you want Peter to live". MJ knows Spiderman can take care of himself. Instead, Harry much more sinisterly says "Your going to do something for me."


Updates #2

Finished the first go through of the film's remastered edit, happy with most everything, though there are some tweaks still needed for the final battle. This list goes from 1 hour 18 min into the film through the ending.

1) Smoothed out the transition between MJ leaving Peter on the bridge, and Harry and Pete at the coffee shop.

2) Smoothed out transition between Peter growing angry in his apartment and going to confront Harry.

3) Harry now says, "bad for the public image, right Mr. Key to the City." Peter then attacks him. I edited out all the exposition between them, the almost high school dialoge between the two of them. Harry has done something to MJ that has made Peter lose her, and he is out for revenge, nuff said.

4) Harry v Peter fight edited down again to fit new music

5) New music, cuts, and re-arangement to the scene directly after where Peter see's Brock's picture of Spiderman stealing. Peter does not exchange glances with women, nor does he say "I'm going to put some dirt in your eye". The music is very sinister, and adds perfectly to the tone of the scene.

6) Building on what ADM did with Venom's voice, Venom now speaks in the modulated alien voice when his "face" is on, and speaks normally as Eddie Brock when he peels his "face" back, much like what Venom did in the animated series, and in the comics.

7) All times Venom refere's to himself as "I" or "me" have been cut out, as allowed. He still references himself in the first person when talking to Sandman, but there wasn't much I could do there. He also still says "MY spider sense", but all other references have been cut.

8) The SEVERELY cut down news report that sets the stage for the final battle has been cut more, and a transition has been smoothed out.

9) Sadly, I had to cut one of my favorite scenes, where we see Venom's writing in his web for Spiderman to come and stop him, but it needed to go to get the news reporter out even more, I felt it took too much away from the scene, as well as adding to the drama between Peter and Harry. It now goes from Peter looking at his old Spiderman costume directly to Harry in his Penthouse, when Peter comes to ask for his help. All shots of Harry in front of the TV have been cut.

10) Dialoge edited during the Peter Harry conversation:
SM: "Harry, I need your help."
Harry: "You don't deserve my help."
SM: "Harry....."
Harry: "Get out."

Makes the conflict more personal between the two of them, their battle is not over yet.

11) Butler scene, as edited and talked about before stays in this cut. So help me, I like that scene now. If there is an outcry, I will edit it out and release it as a different copy for people who just want Harry to save Peter out of honor.

12) New, more heroic music added during Spidermans return to action. (its an edit of the "He's Back" track from SM2) The over the top American flag shot has been edited out, and all audio cues have been synced to whats happening on screen.

13) For the moment, edited out Peter saying "I'm going to get you out of this", just have MJ saying "They are going to kill us both" and Venom swings in. Makes the situation much more desperate.

14) Changed dialoge and added spider sense to the scene just before Peter begins to be sucked up by the sand as Sandman forms.

15) Edited out Sandmans second rour before he starts to pound Spidermam, and shorten his rise above him. We already had his reveal a few frames ago, we don't need another slow shot of him forming.

16) Edited out Harry yelling "HEY PETE" after Peter saves MJ. I'm sure Spiderman really wants his identity yelled out to everyone. Harry now just yells at them "AM I INTERRUPTING??"

17) Venom is MUCH more to the point (pardon the pun). There is no plea for him to take off the suit, how the power is so wonderful. We know he's not taking the suit off. Also toned the scene back with the amount of damage Venom gives Spiderman while fighting to make Peter's injuries more consistent, and not make him seem so invulnerable. Peter now says "You've got to take the suit off", and while he's saying that, Venom is studying the sharp end of the metal shard he had just beaten Spiderman with. Before Peter can finish, Venom rares back to stab the shard though Spiderman, at which point Harry shows up.

This was also done to keep Harry from missing in action for so long.

18) Harrys sacrifice to save Peter is edited to not be so telegraphed, its much more surprising and moving now.

19) We go right from the scene where Peter blows up Venom to him standing there with the metal pipe, and Sandman speaks from behind saying "I didn't want this." the "I had no choice" and Peter's subsequent speech has been edited out, as well as any scene between MJ and Harry. Puts us, the audience, in the same position as Peter, where we are thinking about what happened to Venom and what Sandman just said. Sandman now just follows it up with "My daughter was dying." Makes the scene much more direct, and moving.

Also, the way the scene is structured now, it gives you the idea that Sandman set Venom up, he intentionally collapsed himself so Venom would have to face Harry and Peter by himself. (Makes his dissapearance much more beliveable, and makes Flint look much smarter.) Remember to the extent I softened the character and changed his arc, this makes the ending MUCH beter and more suitable.

20) Now comes the scene with Harry and his death. Your not thinking "Why are you just standing up there talking with Sandman while your best friend is laying beneath you and dying." Brings all your focus on Harry and his final moments, makes his death a very sad scene. (No, I didn't tone back Peter's crying, after everything he's just gone though, its fitting, IMO)

21) Final swing transition altered and smoothed out.

Fin.

Additional/Upcoming Edits:

I'd like to edit Venom more, modulate his rours to make him sound like a demon spit out from hell rather than a velociraptor reject. Should make him much scarier and more of a threat.

Peter's spidersense is no longer MIA. Added it to the film at three places (Just before Harry grabs him at the beginning, before Harry throws the pumpkin bomb after the fight in the penthouse, before Sandman forms during the final battle)

There are several other smaller cuts/edits I'm sure I've forgotten. I'm really pleased with the movie at this point. I don't know if it will make this weekends release date, since the Venom modulation is going to take some work and time, but I think its worth the wait if I can do it.

I might put some youtube vids up this weekend if I don't release it showcasing some of the edits.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Got some updates for you guys on the film.

From fanedit.org:

Molusar has previewed the film, and sent some ideas. Since I have done my rough cut of Batman Returns, I have learned many things, and have gone back to the original Spiderman 3 DVD source, and begun re-mastering the edit, trying to tie up any loose ends or slight audio issues that remain before release.

Updates include:

1) Peter v Harry first fight sped up and toned down. As I have read on a few boards, people thought that fight was over the top, the damage they both took should have put them both in the hospital. Toned some of that down, and since he fight dragged, I made some other cuts to speed it up.

2) Removed the out of place comedy after Harry is close lined by Peter's webline and is knocked off his glider

3) Removed Harry returning home with Peter. Scene added nothing to the film, done for pacing and relevance.

4) Peter removed from marching with the band during Spiderman Day

5) Improved symbiont take over sequence,

6) Better transition during a black suit spidey scene.

7) Better pacing for the scene after Peter sees the monster in the mirror,

Moving the talk with Aunt May about killing Marco

9) Adding in MJ getting off the elevator at Harry's house

10) Moved first Doc Conners conversation about the symbiont

11) Altered Harry's threat to MJ, removed "If you want Peter to live". MJ knows Spiderman can take care of himself. Instead, Harry much more sinisterly says "Your going to do something for me."


Updates #2

Finished the first go through of the film's remastered edit, happy with most everything, though there are some tweaks still needed for the final battle. This list goes from 1 hour 18 min into the film through the ending.

1) Smoothed out the transition between MJ leaving Peter on the bridge, and Harry and Pete at the coffee shop.

2) Smoothed out transition between Peter growing angry in his apartment and going to confront Harry.

3) Harry now says, "bad for the public image, right Mr. Key to the City." Peter then attacks him. I edited out all the exposition between them, the almost high school dialoge between the two of them. Harry has done something to MJ that has made Peter lose her, and he is out for revenge, nuff said.

4) Harry v Peter fight edited down again to fit new music

5) New music, cuts, and re-arangement to the scene directly after where Peter see's Brock's picture of Spiderman stealing. Peter does not exchange glances with women, nor does he say "I'm going to put some dirt in your eye". The music is very sinister, and adds perfectly to the tone of the scene.

6) Building on what ADM did with Venom's voice, Venom now speaks in the modulated alien voice when his "face" is on, and speaks normally as Eddie Brock when he peels his "face" back, much like what Venom did in the animated series, and in the comics.

7) All times Venom refere's to himself as "I" or "me" have been cut out, as allowed. He still references himself in the first person when talking to Sandman, but there wasn't much I could do there. He also still says "MY spider sense", but all other references have been cut.

8) The SEVERELY cut down news report that sets the stage for the final battle has been cut more, and a transition has been smoothed out.

9) Sadly, I had to cut one of my favorite scenes, where we see Venom's writing in his web for Spiderman to come and stop him, but it needed to go to get the news reporter out even more, I felt it took too much away from the scene, as well as adding to the drama between Peter and Harry. It now goes from Peter looking at his old Spiderman costume directly to Harry in his Penthouse, when Peter comes to ask for his help. All shots of Harry in front of the TV have been cut.

10) Dialoge edited during the Peter Harry conversation:
SM: "Harry, I need your help."
Harry: "You don't deserve my help."
SM: "Harry....."
Harry: "Get out."

Makes the conflict more personal between the two of them, their battle is not over yet.

11) Butler scene, as edited and talked about before stays in this cut. So help me, I like that scene now. If there is an outcry, I will edit it out and release it as a different copy for people who just want Harry to save Peter out of honor.

12) New, more heroic music added during Spidermans return to action. (its an edit of the "He's Back" track from SM2) The over the top American flag shot has been edited out, and all audio cues have been synced to whats happening on screen.

13) For the moment, edited out Peter saying "I'm going to get you out of this", just have MJ saying "They are going to kill us both" and Venom swings in. Makes the situation much more desperate.

14) Changed dialoge and added spider sense to the scene just before Peter begins to be sucked up by the sand as Sandman forms.

15) Edited out Sandmans second rour before he starts to pound Spidermam, and shorten his rise above him. We already had his reveal a few frames ago, we don't need another slow shot of him forming.

16) Edited out Harry yelling "HEY PETE" after Peter saves MJ. I'm sure Spiderman really wants his identity yelled out to everyone. Harry now just yells at them "AM I INTERRUPTING??"

17) Venom is MUCH more to the point (pardon the pun). There is no plea for him to take off the suit, how the power is so wonderful. We know he's not taking the suit off. Also toned the scene back with the amount of damage Venom gives Spiderman while fighting to make Peter's injuries more consistent, and not make him seem so invulnerable. Peter now says "You've got to take the suit off", and while he's saying that, Venom is studying the sharp end of the metal shard he had just beaten Spiderman with. Before Peter can finish, Venom rares back to stab the shard though Spiderman, at which point Harry shows up.

This was also done to keep Harry from missing in action for so long.

18) Harrys sacrifice to save Peter is edited to not be so telegraphed, its much more surprising and moving now.

19) We go right from the scene where Peter blows up Venom to him standing there with the metal pipe, and Sandman speaks from behind saying "I didn't want this." the "I had no choice" and Peter's subsequent speech has been edited out, as well as any scene between MJ and Harry. Puts us, the audience, in the same position as Peter, where we are thinking about what happened to Venom and what Sandman just said. Sandman now just follows it up with "My daughter was dying." Makes the scene much more direct, and moving.

Also, the way the scene is structured now, it gives you the idea that Sandman set Venom up, he intentionally collapsed himself so Venom would have to face Harry and Peter by himself. (Makes his dissapearance much more beliveable, and makes Flint look much smarter.) Remember to the extent I softened the character and changed his arc, this makes the ending MUCH beter and more suitable.

20) Now comes the scene with Harry and his death. Your not thinking "Why are you just standing up there talking with Sandman while your best friend is laying beneath you and dying." Brings all your focus on Harry and his final moments, makes his death a very sad scene. (No, I didn't tone back Peter's crying, after everything he's just gone though, its fitting, IMO)

21) Final swing transition altered and smoothed out.

Fin.

Additional/Upcoming Edits:

I'd like to edit Venom more, modulate his rours to make him sound like a demon spit out from hell rather than a velociraptor reject. Should make him much scarier and more of a threat.

Peter's spidersense is no longer MIA. Added it to the film at three places (Just before Harry grabs him at the beginning, before Harry throws the pumpkin bomb after the fight in the penthouse, before Sandman forms during the final battle)

There are several other smaller cuts/edits I'm sure I've forgotten. I'm really pleased with the movie at this point. I don't know if it will make this weekends release date, since the Venom modulation is going to take some work and time, but I think its worth the wait if I can do it.

I might put some youtube vids up this weekend if I don't release it showcasing some of the edits.

All sounds great dude. But I really wish you could relese it this weekend. We've been waiting a while. But everything sounds really great. You've done enough to make me happy. And I'm sure we'll all appreciate it.

 

[Vash1538]

Thanks for the kind words, and I appreciate the patience. Here is an update from my fanedit.org posts:


Updates:

With the changes I have made to the film, not to mention balancing work, relationships, life, ect, I have pushed the release date back toward sometime in late November/early December. More info will come as I nail down the date (teaser posters, another trailer showing more specific things I've done, ect) Still planning on releasing some youtube clips, but I want to get the film finished before I do, in case I change something else.

This should be the last go around of updates, although I am still working on once scene at the end. I am not going to list them one by one as I normally do, rather give more info on what I'm going for and other features of the film.

Molsuar told me "you can't polish a turd" when talking about SM3. He said the edit was technically sound, save for a few audio issues here and there (which I have fixed), but he made me that much more determined to make this film stand on its own two feet, and proudly take its place by the other two Spiderman movies, not only as a worthy entry, but possibly the best.

SM3 was a fantastic film that got bogged down with ill timed jokes, dance numbers, and Rami and co trying to soften a dark storyline up for the kiddies. This version is nothing like that, hence the tag "The way it was meant to be.". I am trying to capture the epic spirit of SM2 (though its tough, with all the other storylines going around) and the complex themes that were present in SM3. Though these are ambitious goals, the film as it stands now is FAR FAR better than the original SM3, and I hope it only gets better.

Of note is a change I have made to the ending. Everyone has seen the final swing I put together, but I have tweaked the ending of the film, from the moment Venom explodes (did he die? stay tuned after the credits, hint hint) to the final swing. Its a completly different feel to the movie. I was able to take Peters voice over at the end of SM1 (No matter what I do, no matter how hard I try, its the ones I love who are always the ones who pay) and add that to Harry's funeral. It works well, but it didn't help the last scene, where Peter goes to get MJ. Why would he go after the woman he had just hurt so badly, especially after the ones I love speech?

It was a pickle, no doubt about it. Finally, the lightbulb went off thanks to God (for the idea) and my girlfriend (who kept pushing me to work on the ending), and I found a solution. I took the Aunt May conversation in Peters apartment, tweaked the dialogue, and made it seem as if it happened after the funeral. May then gives Peter the reason and motivation to set things right with Mary Jane, which leads to the scene in the Jazz Club. (of note, I restructured some scenes where the Aunt May conversation was suppose to take place to show how depressed and hopeless Peter felt after getting the suit off, because it lost some of that without the conversation. I think it might be more powerful the way it is now)

Of note, I did REMOVE THE BUTLER SCENE. I liked what I had done with it, and it will be included on the Deleted Scenes portion of the DVD, but it took away from the impact of seeing Peter in his red and blues again, and also once I edited that out, and watched the ending where now Harry saves Peter out of honor, it works much better, and is a more dramatic moment. At first, you don't know if Harry is there to kill Peter himself, that adds alot to the scene. But I also removed Peter asking Harry for help as well. The scene now goes from Peter looking at his red and blues to MJ in the taxi as it falls, and Spiderman swinging in to save the day to the new music I added. Jameson screaming for Parker has also been added in this sequence, although there is no coversation with the kid at all. There is a close up of the side of Harry's face upon his reveal after saving Peter that showcases the scars. It leaves the viewer wondering who's side Harry is really on, until Harry sacrifices himself for Peter at the end.

I also removed some dialogue between them, notably when Harry first shows up (Peter no longer says "You came", he looks as surprised and worried as everyone else) and some banter during the final fight. Harry no longer calls Spiderman "Pete" while they are fighting. Again, I'm sure Spiderman appreciates his identity being yelled out while a giant crowd is watching from below.

Also removed a few Capt Stacy scenes, and removed Gwen and Capt Stacy at Harry's funeral (Why would they be there, they didn't know him) Sadly, this meant cutting Bernerd out of the funeral, but since his big scene is now gone from the film, he is not missed.

Sandmans final talk has been tweaked, and I am really pleased with his arc now in the film. MJ is a MUCH stronger woman in this cut, she is not whinny, she does the best she can while life and Peter keeps dumping on her. I also tweaked the Bridge breakup scene to be a slightly faster pace, and less Peter crying. He now acts somewhat like a man, and doesn't start crying his eyes out.

Anyways, just wanted everyone to know the project is not dead, its alive and kicking. I think you will be really pleased with the result of this film, and hopefully I can actually somewhat "polish the turd"

Stay tuned true believers!

ONE LAST THING: I know I have been hyping this movie up for some time now, and I hope that there is a strong interest out there to see it. This edit is not really for me anymore, its for the fans. I want to give a SM3 movie we can be proud of. That said, this is still a Spiderman movie, and it still has a few failings of SM3 in it, things I can't do anything about. Sandman and Venom still get the short end of the stick when it comes to how they are portrayed, though as I said Sandman's arc is MUCH stronger and more defined, also it can be viewed that Sandman set Venom up in the final fight, outsmarted him basically, (sadly, due to some of the cuts, Venom lost some of his what little screen time he had, but the cuts are for the better, it makes him much more vicious and out for blood), and there is still the soap opera twist of Harry telling Peter he is the other guy. I worked on taking that out, but there is no real way to make the fight at the penthouse work if that is removed, and that fight has to stay for Harry's scars.

Just know this before going into the film. It is a REMARKABLY better film, but The Dark Knight it's not. There is just no way to pull off that much of a turnaround. But, again as I stated, if it can reach the level of SM1 and SM2, I did my job.

 

[spiderfan970]

This sounds really promising! I've always had this idea in my head of the sound of silence being used in the movie at some point ala raindrops. Just throwing that out there.

 

[supergeek37]

I must have this!

 

[Vash1538]

got a surprise for you guys. 5 videos showcasing some of the changes I've made. These are in various forms of completion, for instance the Return to Action one is only 50% done (needs sfx and a few audio transitions), but it gives you the idea of the direction I am taking this film, and a preview of the finished product.


The Monster in the Mirror

I took the shot of the monster in the trailers, and re-worked it into this scene. It scares the mess out of people when I show them it the first time. (Honestly, it still makes me jump every now and then)

The scene following is the talk Peter and MJ had at an earlier point in the theatrical version of the film. It fits much better here, and Peters actions and behavior fits PERFECTLY into this point of the film. (In this cut, he has just "killed" Sandman, so he thinks, and has seen that thing in the mirror, though he knows not what it is.)

The Bridge

This scene is the breakup scene from the film.

I changed a few lines, and cut some things out, especially some of Peters crying. This scene is not finished, as it lacks something, but this should give you an idea of what I'm shooting for here.

Harry was edited out to keep the audience in suspense as to what was going on (when Harry gets MJ at her apartment earlier in the film, I have edited the dialoge to say "Your going to do something for me." No mention of Peter, or anything else. The scene is MUCH more sinister now. So this helps setup what happens in this scene and after.

Hopefully, this makes Peter act more like a man during this scene, and MJ seem more upset by what she is being made to do.


Brocks Mistake

This scene is obviously the end of the Harry/Peter battle (which is edited and re-scored)

Something you guys might pick up on is the added Spidersense before Harry throws the Pumpkin Bomb. The scene directly after is the HEAVILY edited scene where he discovers Brocks fake picture in the Bugle. This two has been re-scored, using much more sinister music and giving the scene a different feel. This is almost completed, as I will add in city noises later (you can hear them drop out early) Also, I am going to edit out the frame stutter at the beginning of the sidewalk part.


Venom and Sandman Meet- Venom voice modulation by Adigitalman- used with permission

This is the altered scene of when Venom tracks down Sandman, and makes him an offer.

MANY PROPS go to Adigitalman for his Venom voice modulation, which I used for my cut, and then spliced that in with Eddie talking normally when his "face" peels back.

A driving force behind changes to this scene is the arch that I have given Sandman in this film. My goal was to make him a much more sympathetic character, truly someone who was "not a bad person, just had bad luck." as he says in the film.

I worked on softening his vengence for Spiderman. He never says he wants to kill Spiderman, nor does Venom. Indeed, this, along with other cuts, sets up the part in the finale where Sandman tells Peter what really happened the night Uncle Ben died, and makes that scene MUCH easier to swallow. Its actually quite moving now.


Return to Action

This is the scene where Peter discovers the symbiont is not dead, it has Mary Jane, and he has to confront his fears and put on the red and blues once again.

This features new audio, and is IN VERY ROUGH FORM. No sfx have been added under the new audio yet, although there will be the little girl saying "LOOK" and the crowd cheering as Spidey goes by.

Of note, if you have seen the film, you can tell there is quite a bit of restructuring going on. Credits go to Adigitalman for the ideas in cutting the news report, with further cuts made by me. Also, Peter asking Harry for help (while MJ is in a taxi thats being help by a thin web and has Venom and Sandman all around) and the Butler scene have been cut, (although I liked what I had done with the Butler scene, putting that in here takes too much away from the drama I am trying to build in that moment.)

 

[BlueLightning]

That´s freaking scary!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Excellent Vash, this is all great. Even though I liked the music to when Peter pulls out the suit in the theatrical cut, with the audio placed in, I'm sure it will be fine. I really liked the handling of the break up scene. But I have one suggestion. On that last wide shot of the bridge with Peter just standing there. He's there in grief over MJ for that shot, and a second later, he's in a completely different mood telling Harry in the cafe. I would if you can try to drag that last wide shot of the bridge a couple more seconds. You kinda cut too quickly there.

And about the first clip, I freaking loved that music you replaced with it! Really great. I don't know if you mentioned it, but right after that last shot of Peter being surprised and seeing Venom, I would reccomend, cutting to after Venom's face shows. It seems more affective and givesd us a "what is that?" sort of thing. Plus, Peter's reaction in the mirror is kind of goofy if you're just planning to cut from there. And the transition to the normal film to what looks like a less quality film can be taken out or tone down. You should add a sound effect like if you've seen LOTR when they do that sound when Gandalf puts the cloth over the seeing stone in Isenguard. Not just like that, but something to that effect. But after that surprise shot of Venom, cut out Peter's reaction in the mirror and cut to black and linger in the black screen for a few seconds, and fade to that shot of Peter against the corner of the wall and hears MJ knocking on the door. He could be thinking about what was in the mirror or Marko. And with the black screen could somewhat symbolize Peter's soul and what's taken over it. And once that shot fades to Peter, he's kinda soul searching in the corner.

And I have a question. in the opening of the film, when the Marvel logo shows up, In SM3 that patting drum beating when the comics are being flipped to reveal the Marvel logo is different than in the first two films slightly. Could you make that exactly the way it is in the first two films? Or are you doing that? Also, I like that you are bringing back some of Elfman's themes. Those were sorely missed in SM3.

And what kind of editing syestem do you have? Can you block out the voices over the frame? For example, after Black Spier-Man thinks he kills Marko, do you mute the "Good riddance" line? Because just cutting that out without muting it would seem off. Just make sure you hit the right beats. Thta's one of the arts of editing. It's about continuity and flowing and following the story.

 

[Vash1538]

Thank you for the in-depth response! Many many good ideas there. I will look into making the bridge shot linger, the problem you run into is the audio where it crosses over to the next scene would be much shorter if I made that shot linger. Also, its cut to the max, the next shot would have been with the audience seeing Harry watching the whole thing.

I have the feeling that Peter is more in shock of what just happened, and doesn't completly belive whats going on, which explains his mood while talking with Harry. He's trying to make sense of it all, and then Harry drops the other bomb on him, and he finally completly loses control, and gives in to the symbiont.

I changed the audio in the back to action scene due to the massive restructuring, editing out of the over the top American flag shot (I am 100% American, and proud of it, that shot was just too over the top.), and the fact that many felt the music should have been more powerful. I actually got that idea from someone here on the boards, I just ran with it.

Thought about cutting to black right after they see the monster in the mirror, but it left you hanging too much, I did try that. I think Peters reaction will stay, its not too bad, at least for me. How would you or I look if we just saw something like that!!??

Hehehe, funny you asked that about the intro. I did already change the opening back to Elfman style music from SM2, and spliced that with the new themes Young composed. I like alot of Young's music, but the Spiderman opening, while I liked the key to it, sounded lifeless to me. I have already completed that, so you should enjoy that.

We also have Elfman music for the following scenes:

Part of it added during the Parker/Lee talk, which leads into MJ going to the theatre.

Obviously "He's Back" from SM2 added to the Return to Action.

The responsibility theme added to the funeral from SM1 (with Peter's voice over "No matter what I do, no matter how hard I try.... the one's I love will always be the ones who pay.")

Altered SM2 final swing theme played during the new SM3 final swing. I changed the pitch and speed to sound more like Young's SM theme than Elfmans, and also to not make it so obvious that its from SM2, it does sound a little different, somewhat progressive.

I left the Good Riddence line, as it really drives home how bad Peter lost it. I could cut it out, but it would be ALOT of trouble, as it was for re-scoring the Harry/Peter fight in the penthouse. I edit with Womble for the movie and most audio, and Audacity for more advanced audio.

 

[KurtMysterio]

Looking great, man. Take your time, make sure you get it down just how you like it! I can't tell you how excited I am to watch this. I keep checking back here every day for updates. t:

 

[spiderfan970]

Wow, this looks promising...take as much time as you need, I have that 4 cd Sony sound effects library set if you need any sound effects. Just let me know.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Thank you for the in-depth response! Many many good ideas there. I will look into making the bridge shot linger, the problem you run into is the audio where it crosses over to the next scene would be much shorter if I made that shot linger. Also, its cut to the max, the next shot would have been with the audience seeing Harry watching the whole thing.

I have the feeling that Peter is more in shock of what just happened, and doesn't completly belive whats going on, which explains his mood while talking with Harry. He's trying to make sense of it all, and then Harry drops the other bomb on him, and he finally completly loses control, and gives in to the symbiont.

I changed the audio in the back to action scene due to the massive restructuring, editing out of the over the top American flag shot (I am 100% American, and proud of it, that shot was just too over the top.), and the fact that many felt the music should have been more powerful. I actually got that idea from someone here on the boards, I just ran with it.

Thought about cutting to black right after they see the monster in the mirror, but it left you hanging too much, I did try that. I think Peters reaction will stay, its not too bad, at least for me. How would you or I look if we just saw something like that!!??

Hehehe, funny you asked that about the intro. I did already change the opening back to Elfman style music from SM2, and spliced that with the new themes Young composed. I like alot of Young's music, but the Spiderman opening, while I liked the key to it, sounded lifeless to me. I have already completed that, so you should enjoy that.

We also have Elfman music for the following scenes:

Part of it added during the Parker/Lee talk, which leads into MJ going to the theatre.

Obviously "He's Back" from SM2 added to the Return to Action.

The responsibility theme added to the funeral from SM1 (with Peter's voice over "No matter what I do, no matter how hard I try.... the one's I love will always be the ones who pay.")

Altered SM2 final swing theme played during the new SM3 final swing. I changed the pitch and speed to sound more like Young's SM theme than Elfmans, and also to not make it so obvious that its from SM2, it does sound a little different, somewhat progressive.

I left the Good Riddence line, as it really drives home how bad Peter lost it. I could cut it out, but it would be ALOT of trouble, as it was for re-scoring the Harry/Peter fight in the penthouse. I edit with Womble for the movie and most audio, and Audacity for more advanced audio.

True, but I thought it was odd cutting to his expression in the mirror to that shot in the corner of the room. It just needs some time in between I think. It has us say, "Whoa!" and thinking about it while we're in the black screen and fade to the next shot of Peter it's like he's thinking about it. That surprise shot of Venom to cutting to black will make us jump and then calm down and let us breathe to compose ourselves. You're afraid to what's about to come next. It's disturbing if you have the right effect. Just to give it a shock and scary value.

And about the bridge scene. Where I suggested the lingering shot, was that the same amount of time in the theatrical version to when it cut to Harry? Maybe a fade out perhaps? If you have an exterior to the cafe you could fade into that. Then cut to the conversation. Maybe not, but just a suggestion. I'll look at your video again, and see. But I think once I see the whole thing, I might understand what your saying more. EDIT: Did you add the exterior shot of the cafe? Because with that there, it's perfectly fine. I thought you cut to that scene of the bridge to the conversation. That's what was odd. But with the exterior shot there it works so much better.

And thanks for replacing the opening with the Elfman theme! And you're right about the Young score. It did seem lifeless. Except the Birth of Sandman was beautiful. So I hoped you kept that whole score. So I'm really glad to see you did that with the opening. That shot of the Columbia logo to when you hear that first cue that twinkle or whatever and the violin gives me chills. And the Marvel logo beating drumming. But thanks for adding that!

But about the muting of the diologue. When I was in Video Club in 8th grade, we used a great editing system. I remember how you could take the line of voice and drag it down to the bottom to mute the sound or voice out. Is it different than that? I don't remember the editing system I used though.

But keep up the great work. I'm really looking forward to this. Who knows? The haters of SM3 could love this.

Yeah, that Return to Action clip works very well. I love to when MJ is in danger where the whole city seems to be watching and it cuts to a rundown apartment. All is quiet. And Peter in his apartment is again isolated from the world, and seems to be the only one in the area who is not at the construction site. He just goes under his bed and takes out the case. I just love the music you fit with it and Peter taking the suitcase out form under the bed. I don't know it's hard to explain, just Peter's stuggles in life of being alone. He has to do his job. Very, very well done. The clips were alot better the second time.

 

[Vash1538]

Who knows? The haters of SM3 could love this.

I hope so. I'm one of those haters. I can't watch the theatrical film all the way through. Its what motivated me to do this. This film a long time ago morphed from something just for me to something for all the fans who were let down by SM3.

I guess I'm trying to make the film we all saw in the trailers, thus the tagline I'm using- The way it was meant to be.