Spidey and FF at least stay in the fantasy realm.

[Morgoth]

I gotta' say of all the Marvel films at least Spidey and the FF are on the right track and didn't over do the realism garbage.

They're comic books after all, they're Fantasy, you don't need to make them more real.

I love that Venom is in Spidey 3 and wasn't changed, and the Silver Surfer is in the FF sequel.

Things that were done to DD and the X-men were wrong.

It would have been so much cooler if Bullseye did get a costume. And if the X-men had better costumes and had more epic stories that stuck more to the comics.

The X-men really got the crappy end of the stick, I'm still waiting for the day when I get to really see a big X-men movie where they battle Sentinals, and Apocalypse.

They were good and I do like them but come on!

I cringe now when I hear about comic movies 'cause I'm afraid of what they are going to change, I hate when the idiots say well, we can't do this 'cause it would be too comic booky, IT IS A COMIC BOOK YOU DOLT!!!

It makes me wanna' pull my hair out. What's next, they make a movie of say, Thor, and they say no he can't be a god 'cause that's not realistic.

I don't mean to make a negative thread, it's more of a congratulations to those who stayed true to the genre like Spidey and FF. I know FF 1 wasn't the best and changed things to Doom that ticked me off, but at least The SS isn't some guy from Ohio with a silver business suit and a silver car because having him from space on a surf board wouldn't be like something you see everyday, and that's my point, you read comics and watch the movies to see things you don't see everyday.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

some one close this thread.
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[3dman27]

no keep it open maybe then studio types will see it and get the message

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

no keep it open maybe then studio types will see it and get the message

no close it we don't need any more batman and robins. because that is what you get when you make it a "fantasy" movie.

 

[The Question]

While I don't think the X-Men costumes in the films were that great, anyone who doesn't realize that the comic costumes are is would have looked like ****e on screen is fooling themselves. However, some kind of middle ground would have been preferable.

 

[CaptainCanada]

I thought the X-Men film costumes worked very well. They suited the sort of real world atmosphere the films generated.

 

[Max J Power]

The X-Men would have looked silly and ultra-campy in their comic costumes.

 

[nocomics]

You can make a comic movie realistic,and somewhat like the comic without being over the top. I will say spiderman/batman are prime examples of this. I know this goes back on the issue of realism in a comic movie. I think its a must as your trying to reach as many ppl as you can not just the comic book fans. If you make it too comicish,ppl aren't gonna see it,and comicbook fans are gonna trash it.
Do you really wanna see another batman movie and they throw in the 'BIFF' 'BAM' 'BOOM' on the screen during fight scenes, I think not..
Keep the realism to a certain extent,and keep the over-the-top outlandish stuff in comics..

 

[Savage]

But that's a part of the medium/culture of comics. Even guys like Bullseye and The Punisher wore costumes. It's as out there as the stories they yell. It can be made to look good if people weren't scared. Superman being the best example. You can find many examples where it looks like **** but also many where it looks great. Spider-man as well. It's all about the effort that is made. Some costumes would be more difficult than others but even Loki can look great.

I honestly think that Loki has the worst marvel costume but check out how awesome he looks here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-epZEvLRc

 

[Savage]

Double Post

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

But that's a part of the medium/culture of comics. Even guys like Bullseye and The Punisher wore costumes. It's as out there as the stories they yell. It can be made to look good if people weren't scared. Superman being the best example. You can find many examples where it looks like **** but also many where it looks great. Spider-man as well. It's all about the effort that is made. Some costumes would be more difficult than others but even Loki can look great.

I honestly think that Loki has the worst marvel costume but check out how awesome he looks here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-epZEvLRc

but you see Loki is fantasy chareter just he same as anything you would see in lord of the rings. and we have seen horns like that in Hellboy so we know what they look like.

it seems that you want all the POW, BAM, and ZAP stuff in the movies, but you fail to see that the movies aren't for just you and your POW, BAM, and ZAP wet dreams they are made for every one and to do that they need to change things so that people will come and see the movies and see the other movie that get made because there good movies.

 

[nocomics]

But that's a part of the medium/culture of comics. Even guys like Bullseye and The Punisher wore costumes. It's as out there as the stories they yell. It can be made to look good if people weren't scared. Superman being the best example. You can find many examples where it looks like **** but also many where it looks great. Spider-man as well. It's all about the effort that is made. Some costumes would be more difficult than others but even Loki can look great.

I honestly think that Loki has the worst marvel costume but check out how awesome he looks here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-epZEvLRc

Movies and comcis are a different form of art. I've said this many times, what works in comics won't always work on big screen. Most comic movies work best when they have a darker overtone too them(imo). I don't wanna see all those wild and bright colors on big screen,its just silly in some aspects. Again, comics are targeting a certain audience a more select audience. Movies are targeting a broader audience,and if u make it so outlandish and silly,noone see's it including comic fans. Then that makes the movie a flog,which equals no sequel.etc...
So, please keep the 'BIF', 'BAM', 'BOOM', in comics and tv shows,lol. Costumes are fine,long as they fit the movies style. NO purple tights,we know what movie that was don't we,lol. Batman and Robin was a prime example of overthe top sillyness,lol....

 

[Savage]

but you see Loki is fantasy chareter just he same as anything you would see in lord of the rings. and we have seen horns like that in Hellboy so we know what they look like.

it seems that you want all the POW, BAM, and ZAP stuff in the movies, but you fail to see that the movies aren't for just you and your POW, BAM, and ZAP wet dreams they are made for every one and to do that they need to change things so that people will come and see the movies and see the other movie that get made because there good movies.​

And of course comic book superheroes are in the realm of anything but fantasy...

Well if that's the case then why even make them superheroes? Just pull a Heroes and have everyone in jeans and a T-shirt. That's something all people can relate to. Avoid the problem altogether.

I don't want to see pow, bam, and zap, I just want respect for the source material and to me the word realism and comics is almost an oxymoron. I don't have wet dreams about this stuff so I can't help you there but I would prefer a more faithful adaption. Everyone has their excuses for why Spider-man and Superman work. "They're iconic. It would be blasphemous to even dare change their look". What about Batman? He's iconic too. "He'd look rediculous. Just look at Adam West" (this is refering to a Batman costume from a low budget television series from the 1960s of all times mind you).

Effort is all it takes. Effort. I mean if you think someone like Superman would look ridiculous then by all means, enjoy.

 

[Savage]

Movies and comcis are a different form of art. I've said this many times, what works in comics won't always work on big screen. Most comic movies work best when they have a darker overtone too them(imo). I don't wanna see all those wild and bright colors on big screen,its just silly in some aspects. Again, comics are targeting a certain audience a more select audience. Movies are targeting a broader audience,and if u make it so outlandish and silly,noone see's it including comic fans. Then that makes the movie a flog,which equals no sequel.etc...
So, please keep the 'BIF', 'BAM', 'BOOM', in comics and tv shows,lol. Costumes are fine,long as they fit the movies style. NO purple tights,we know what movie that was don't we,lol. Batman and Robin was a prime example of overthe top sillyness,lol....

Why do people keep mentioning Batman and Robin? The person closest to resembling their comic self was Bane of all people. Everybody else looked like crap. That's just bad costume designing. Nothing to do with keeping it faithful at all but in fact diverting as far from the source as possible. I don't remember Batman wearing an all black nipple suit. I don't remember Mister Freeze being hooked up to a glowing neon blue light show. I don't remember shiney silver costumes. Show me the comics, non-movie related, where any of the Batman & Robin costumes were drawn.

The problem with Batman & Robin was it did try that "bif, bam, boom" style but that was related to the script and not the costumes. Blame the writer for that. Not the costume designer.

If the script is good, you don't have to worry about bif, bam, boom. If the costume is done right, you don't have to worry about looking ridiculous. I'm not asking for a direct translation but like Question said, a more faithful look wouldn't hurt. Fantastic Four did it, Spider-man did it. Notice when people DO bring up complaints, it is not about the costumes.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

And of course comic book superheroes are in the realm of anything but fantasy...

Well if that's the case then why even make them superheroes? Just pull a Heroes and have everyone in jeans and a T-shirt. That's something all people can relate to. Avoid the problem altogether.

I don't want to see pow, bam, and zap, I just want respect for the source material and to me the word realism and comics is almost an oxymoron. I don't have wet dreams about this stuff so I can't help you there but I would prefer a more faithful adaption. Everyone has their excuses for why Spider-man and Superman work. "They're iconic. It would be blasphemous to even dare change their look". What about Batman? He's iconic too. "He'd look rediculous. Just look at Adam West" (this is refering to a Batman costume from a low budget television series from the 1960s of all times mind you).

Effort is all it takes. Effort. I mean if you think someone like Superman would look ridiculous then by all means, enjoy.

those are nice pics and all but they arern't superman.

and while we are on superman- if you watch the first movie it cut out the flashy costumes and over the top stuff that was in the comics of the time. they changed krypton, and lex even was changed by letting him have hair (be it a wig). i mean superman and lex didn't meet untill they were both grown up and superman wasn't superboy and that movie was great. all it kept was the costume, the powers and the places and changed them to make them feel real.

that is what you seem to be missing is that it has to "FEEL" real, and that goes for the comics as well as the movies.

 

[nocomics]

Why do people keep mentioning Batman and Robin? The person closest to resembling their comic self was Bane of all people. Everybody else looked like crap. That's just bad costume designing.One reason the movie blew. Nothing to do with keeping it faithful at all but in fact diverting as far from the source as possible. I don't remember Batman wearing an all black nipple suit. I don't remember Mister Freeze being hooked up to a glowing neon blue light show. I don't remember shiney silver costumes. Show me the comics, non-movie related, where any of the Batman & Robin costumes were drawn.Again comic movies use comics as a Guideline,not as the Bible.

The problem with Batman & Robin was it did try that "bif, bam, boom" style but that was related to the script and not the costumes. Blame the writer for that. Not the costume designer.Your right thats one reason ppl thought it sucked,along with the costumes being F'up. Sometimes its not wise to follow the exact colors of a comic,it just does'nt always translate onto bigscreen.

If the script is good, you don't have to worry about bif, bam, boom. If the costume is done right, you don't have to worry about looking ridiculous.Thats right,costumes are a huge part,but think on this film they got carried away.I'm not asking for a direct translation but like Question said, a more faithful look wouldn't hurt. Fantastic Four did it, Spider-man did it. Notice when people DO bring up complaints, it is not about the costumes.

I'll agree with the FF,eventhough I really didn't care for it that much. The only character that I thought looked bad was the THING,he just didnt fit in with the scenery and other characters. Spider-man was one of the few comic movies that got away with the Vibrant color schemes,and thats a miracle in itself. Now lets see if it can handle a darker tone to the movie.

 

[Savage]

those are nice pics and all but they arern't superman.

and while we are on superman- if you watch the first movie it cut out the flashy costumes and over the top stuff that was in the comics of the time. they changed krypton, and lex even was changed by letting him have hair (be it a wig). i mean superman and lex didn't meet untill they were both grown up and superman wasn't superboy and that movie was great. all it kept was the costume, the powers and the places and changed them to make them feel real.

that is what you seem to be missing is that it has to "FEEL" real, and that goes for the comics as well as the movies.

The characters themselves is what have to feel real. That's what made Superman: The Movie work and such a hit. People were suprised by what they got out of what to them should have been a kids movie. It changed how people viewed comics and comic book movies.

You can also take a look at the Watchmen comic. Ridiculous and outlandish costumes but it's the characters and story that sell it. It's a classic.

The costumes would be distracting if they are done badly and without taste (Batman & Robin) but when done right, people look past them (Superman, Spider-man). It just takes a well done design and not just spandex you find the guys at Great Adventure wearing.

 

[Savage]

I'll agree with the FF,eventhough I really didn't care for it that much. The only character that I thought looked bad was the THING,he just didnt fit in with the scenery and other characters. Spider-man was one of the few comic movies that got away with the Vibrant color schemes,and thats a miracle in itself. Now lets see if it can handle a darker tone to the movie.

What I noticed about comic book movies is that we really aren't giving the general public enough credit. You have to remember that before comics we were one of these people as well and we came to accept it. It seems they do too. No matter how much a comic book movie is ripped on, the only costume complaints I hear are from the fans and it's usually about how far they departed. I've never heard someone rip on Superman about his bright red undies on the outside or Spider-man and The Fantastic Four for the skintight bright colored jumpsuits. It shows that this is the least of people's concerns when they go to see these movies. We're all so concerned with trying to have these movies "fit in" with other movies that we're forgetting these aren't just regular people with powers. These are superheroes. They're fantasy characters. Modern myths. The costumes just happen to go with that. If not then might as well go as far as removing those "silly names".

 

[MaskedManJRK]

While I don't think the X-Men costumes in the films were that great, anyone who doesn't realize that the comic costumes are is would have looked like ****e on screen is fooling themselves. However, some kind of middle ground would have been preferable.

Yeah, no matter how much of a badass he is, Wolverine would not and should not be taken seriously when wearing blue and yellow spandex.

The problem with the X-Men is that they're probably the most flamboyant costumes in comics. You may talk about middle ground, but I really can't see it at this point.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, no matter how much of a badass he is, Wolverine would not and should not be taken seriously when wearing blue and yellow spandex.

The problem with the X-Men is that they're probably the most flamboyant costumes in comics. You may talk about middle ground, but I really can't see it at this point.

I think something along the lines of Alex Ross' redesign would have been best:

In keeping with the familiar style but not too over the top. And I actually think masks would have been best, as the X-Men are basically vigilantes in the counter-terrorism/espionoge circles, and they want to, at leats initially, keep who they are a secret for the sake of the school.

 

[Savage]

Exactly. Question gets the idea. Not a direct translation but at least keeping faithful to the design. Wolverine has had many costumes but when you see him, you immediately recognize who it is.

I liked the whole uniform thing of the X-men movies and Wolverine did after all get his uniform on short notice. But i figured that as the movies went on the characters would be given individual look. Aside from colors, Wolverine was the only one with an actual design that differed.

I'm wishing John Cassaday designed the movie costumes because he has an eye for realism when it comes to comic book costumes. When he designs or draws a costume, he can make something very silly look very plausible and even cool. Definately love the Astonishing X-men costumes.

Fantastic Four got away with it. Just wish that the X-men did it first.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

X-men has never been about the costumes and if you can't get that then i don't think that i can doing anything.

 

[Savage]

And this is the part where I'd like you to quote where I said it was.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

And this is the part where I'd like you to quote where I said it was.

its not you that said it but there are people that do.

all i am saying is that the movie marvel comic are based on some kind of real world and have some kind of science behind them that grounds them. and that just because they have a flashy costume in it dosen't mean they need to a fantasy film. now i think a better word would be light spider-man and the FF would lighter movies in tone and thats the way the comics have been for the most part.
X-Men and Daredevil have a darker and gritter feel to them just like their comics.

 

[Savage]

But the costumes are more than that. They are a part of that world. They are superheroes. Superheroes wear costumes. That may be superficial but it is as important as the powers they weild. It's what makes Daredevil Daredevil and Batman Batman (as in appearance, before someone says something). The studios didn't even want HORNS on the Daredevil costume. Yes that would be more realistic but so would putting him in a ski mask and all black clothing. To me it's just rediculous to say the costumes are rediculous when quite frankly the whole concept in itself is out there.

I say realism belongs with the characters themselves and not the costumes. The costumes are just another part.

I can't believe I've become one of these guys that go on about how the movies would be better if they were closer but really I'm just not digging castrating the powers of characters to be more "down to earth" and making the costumes more "realistic". I mean if you want that then just remove the superhero part altogether and just make these guys rescue workers. Why even try if you're not going to go all the way? It's why I look at movies like Fantastic Four 2 and smile because holy crap, they're actually bringing in the big guns. Even Ratner and company was too scared to put Pheonix out there in all her glory.

My point is that as much as I am enjoying this renaissance of comic book flicks, they are nothing compared to their sources (except the Blade movies). Which is sad. It's about time someone broke this whole "the movie is never as good as the book" thing. Why can't it be as good? Why can't it be even better? Comic books are spectacle. They are outlandish. The costumes themselves were originally based on circus performers and musclemen (hence the whole underwear on the outside thing). I don't know about anybody else but the circus wouldn't be the same to me if everyone showed up in jean shorts and t-shirts.

...Man this turned into a rant quickly...Just have these guys acknowledge that they're superheroes at least...Besides Fantastic Four, HAS the word superhero even been USED in a comic book movie?