Star Wars

[Obi-Ron]

Here's your Chirstmas present Star Wars noobs

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Nothing says "Happy Life Day" like a coked out, singing Carrie Fisher.

EDIT: They left out the only decent part:
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[Brian Braddock]

Is Mark Hammill actually wearing some kind of eye-liner in that clip?

 

[The Caped Knight]

Anyone playing Lego: The Complete Saga? It's so unbelievably addicting.

Agreed

 

[Steven3691]

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GoogleMe94]

thing i didnt like about the prequels was that it had nothing, NOTHING in common with the original trilogy. none of the original actors were in it, and i think more ppl were interested in seeing episodes 7-9, not any "prequel" to tell a story noone cares about. what few fans there are of the prequels say that "you havent let go of your OT ideals" and all that sh**. um, why should i have to? the originals were great, had great storytelling and amazing albeit real special effects. the prequels should have matched up better. shouldnt have been that much CGI. srsly, the prequels were nothing BUT cgi. well, there also shouldnt have been the dumb podrace, the droid armies, yoda fighting with a lightsaber, etc etc. there was alot i didnt like about the prequels, not just the look and feel, but the story itself just pissed me off. nothing coincided well with the OT, at all.

 

[Darthphere]

Specific examples.

 

[Sebastos]

thing i didnt like about the prequels was that it had nothing, NOTHING in common with the original trilogy. none of the original actors were in it, and i think more ppl were interested in seeing episodes 7-9, not any "prequel" to tell a story noone cares about. what few fans there are of the prequels say that "you havent let go of your OT ideals" and all that sh**. um, why should i have to? the originals were great, had great storytelling and amazing albeit real special effects. the prequels should have matched up better. shouldnt have been that much CGI. srsly, the prequels were nothing BUT cgi. well, there also shouldnt have been the dumb podrace, the droid armies, yoda fighting with a lightsaber, etc etc. there was alot i didnt like about the prequels, not just the look and feel, but the story itself just pissed me off. nothing coincided well with the OT, at all.

The prequels could have been better, but i'm sure i'm not the only one when I say Episode III was the best of the prequels.

 

[Mr. Socko]

thing i didnt like about the prequels was that it had nothing, NOTHING in common with the original trilogy.

-It was Star Wars
-Contained Jedi
-Lightsabers
-Took place in the same planets
-Contained aliens
-Skywalkers
-Chewie
-Emperor
-Ben Kenobi
-Most importantly, featured a connecting story about Darth Vader

The Star Wars prequel trilogy had more in common with the original Star Wars trilogy than any other cinematic trilogy that I can possibly think of.

none of the original actors were in it

Did you just phase over the brilliant Sir Ian McDiarmid, Peter Mayhew, Kenny Baker, and Anthony Daniels?

As for the others, it wouldn't make much sense to bring back a 50 year old Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and 60 year old Harrison Ford for a prequel series that takes place 20-30 years prior, now would it?

and i think more ppl were interested in seeing episodes 7-9, not any "prequel" to tell a story noone cares about.

A story that no one cared about? The same millions upon millions of nobodies that paid to see all three of the prequels? The same millions, who in the 80s very much wanted to see the story of Darth Vader(although this is third hand information on my part, but I'm sure C.Lee or another 80s fan can back this up).

what few fans there are of the prequels say that "you havent let go of your OT ideals" and all that sh**. um, why should i have to? the originals were great, had great storytelling and amazing albeit real special effects. the prequels should have matched up better.

You don't have to like the prequels, that is fine. But I don't see why you are backing up your opinion with ridiculous claims. But I agree, the originals are indeed great. All around good storytelling and nice special effects. I like the original 3 a bit more, but I think the prequels match up fine(besides Episode I).

shouldnt have been that much CGI. srsly, the prequels were nothing BUT cgi. well, there also shouldnt have been the dumb podrace, the droid armies, yoda fighting with a lightsaber, etc etc. there was alot i didnt like about the prequels, not just the look and feel, but the story itself just pissed me off. nothing coincided well with the OT, at all.

Why shouldn't there have been that much CGI? Should Lucas have completely re-written his story so a few fans on the internet can say "The new Star Wars films did not contain much Computer generated imagery." The Phantom Menace contained more practical miniature model ships than all of the original trilogy combined. Sure, he could have made more of it animatronics as opposed to CGI, but why would he want to do that when CGI is cheaper, faster, and more reliable. What is wrong with a CG Yoda dueling? He was a Jedi after all. I personally think CG Yoda trumps puppet Yoda any day of the week.

Droids armies were fine I thought, Podracing was fun, is there a particular reason why you say they shouldn't have been in a film? This is science fiction/fantasy after all. It's like complaining about the AT-AT's in the original trilogy or the stormtroopers.

If you don't like the prequels, that's just fine, nothing wrong with that at all. But you're simply trying to make them out to be horrible mess that shouldn't have been made simply because you are not a fan. I hate 90% of Kevin Smith films for example. I've only been in the View Askew thread once, I'm not going to waste my time there talking about how he should never make films and what he has made should never exist, I simply don't watch what he does make.

To finish off, more of the PT coincided with the OT than not.

 

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any new star wars news.

 

[Victarion]

thing i didnt like about the prequels was that it had nothing, NOTHING in common with the original trilogy. none of the original actors were in it, and i think more ppl were interested in seeing episodes 7-9, not any "prequel" to tell a story noone cares about. what few fans there are of the prequels say that "you havent let go of your OT ideals" and all that sh**. um, why should i have to? the originals were great, had great storytelling and amazing albeit real special effects. the prequels should have matched up better. shouldnt have been that much CGI. srsly, the prequels were nothing BUT cgi. well, there also shouldnt have been the dumb podrace, the droid armies, yoda fighting with a lightsaber, etc etc. there was alot i didnt like about the prequels, not just the look and feel, but the story itself just pissed me off. nothing coincided well with the OT, at all.

I preferred the look of the PT to the OT, though they both fit perfectly. In the PT things were flourshing in the Republic. In the OT, the Galaxy was in the iron grip of the Galactic Empire, hence the darker hues. I realize this was never officially stated, but its a positive way of explaining the change from the bright, Escaflowne scenery of the PT to the Robo-Tech scenery of the OT. As far as storylines go, again, I lean more towards the PT. It seemed much tighter than what we got in the OT, plus it gave us 2 great Sith plus an intrigiung droid villain. My only gripe of the PT is that we meet Anakin as a kid, and never really saw him as a great warrior, in my opinion.

In the name of fairness, there were aspects of the OT I liked, particularly in ESB and ROTJ. The muppet version of Yoda there was perfect and I could see myself living on Dagobah. In ROTJ I liked Luke's no bull attitude when he was bargaining with Jabba the Hutt, and his fight against the Rancor was up there with the Wampa scenes from ESB.

By your standards GoogleMe94, the Star Wars saga gets better as it progresses (chronologically). Isn't that what a movie series is supposed to do?

 

[Astrø]

Anyone playing Lego: The Complete Saga? It's so unbelievably addicting.

Its realy fun to mix charcters togther. I have beat it and I loved every second of it.

 

[Steven3691]

-It was Star Wars
-Contained Jedi
-Lightsabers
-Took place in the same planets
-Contained aliens
-Skywalkers
-Chewie
-Emperor
-Ben Kenobi
-Most importantly, featured a connecting story about Darth Vader

The Star Wars prequel trilogy had more in common with the original Star Wars trilogy than any other cinematic trilogy that I can possibly think of.



Did you just phase over the brilliant Sir Ian McDiarmid, Peter Mayhew, Kenny Baker, and Anthony Daniels?

As for the others, it wouldn't make much sense to bring back a 50 year old Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and 60 year old Harrison Ford for a prequel series that takes place 20-30 years prior, now would it?



A story that no one cared about? The same millions upon millions of nobodies that paid to see all three of the prequels? The same millions, who in the 80s very much wanted to see the story of Darth Vader(although this is third hand information on my part, but I'm sure C.Lee or another 80s fan can back this up).



You don't have to like the prequels, that is fine. But I don't see why you are backing up your opinion with ridiculous claims. But I agree, the originals are indeed great. All around good storytelling and nice special effects. I like the original 3 a bit more, but I think the prequels match up fine(besides Episode I).



Why shouldn't there have been that much CGI? Should Lucas have completely re-written his story so a few fans on the internet can say "The new Star Wars films did not contain much Computer generated imagery." The Phantom Menace contained more practical miniature model ships than all of the original trilogy combined. Sure, he could have made more of it animatronics as opposed to CGI, but why would he want to do that when CGI is cheaper, faster, and more reliable. What is wrong with a CG Yoda dueling? He was a Jedi after all. I personally think CG Yoda trumps puppet Yoda any day of the week.

Droids armies were fine I thought, Podracing was fun, is there a particular reason why you say they shouldn't have been in a film? This is science fiction/fantasy after all. It's like complaining about the AT-AT's in the original trilogy or the stormtroopers.

If you don't like the prequels, that's just fine, nothing wrong with that at all. But you're simply trying to make them out to be horrible mess that shouldn't have been made simply because you are not a fan. I hate 90% of Kevin Smith films for example. I've only been in the View Askew thread once, I'm not going to waste my time there talking about how he should never make films and what he has made should never exist, I simply don't watch what he does make.

To finish off, more of the PT coincided with the OT than not.

I agree, I think the prequels worked just fine, the story line was perfect just about, it tied Revenge of the Sith with A New Hope just fine. And yeah, that makes sense that they wouldn't bring Mark Hammil, Carrie Fisher or Harrison Ford back when they take place 20 - 30 years before their time. But I agree that episodes 7 - 9 would have been cool, I would give anything to see Luke Skywalker bring the Jedi back. But the prequels did just fine and millions of people around the world agree.

 

[snap-hiss]

I preferred the look of the PT to the OT, though they both fit perfectly. In the PT things were flourshing in the Republic. In the OT, the Galaxy was in the iron grip of the Galactic Empire, hence the darker hues. I realize this was never officially stated, but its a positive way of explaining the change from the bright, Escaflowne scenery of the PT to the Robo-Tech scenery of the OT.

Actually that has been officially stated countless times.

My only gripe of the PT is that we meet Anakin as a kid, and never really saw him as a great warrior, in my opinion.

He singlehandedly dispatched the most feared figure in the galaxy, leader of the CIS, and Sith Lord. Episodes 2 and 3 show plenty of Anakin as a warrior.

 

[GoogleMe94]

problem is, i was and still am totally uninterested in that era of star wars. they could have still kept that whole part in the dark. i wanted to see more luke, even if everyone was a bit older. if not, LEAVE IT ALONE. dont do friggin origin stuff. i actually blame lucas for making hollywood want to "prequel"-ize its big franchises, like batman and james bond. news flash, nobody cares about how they came to be, just leave it alone! the PT did NOT fit in well with the OT, everything in the OT looked olde, beat up, rugged, "used", as lucas put it. but in the PT everything looked brand new, over CGI-ed and cheap (not in a good way). sure some of the lightsaber battles were impressive but i still think the movies could have been much more then they were. and who could forget the bad acting (ie. padmes love pledge....UGHHH!), the lame storyline, the terrible script, the fake-as-hell lookin CGI battles on videogame-inspired planets? for me, they were forgettable kiddy crap meant to sell toys and videogames, not in any kind of competition with the OT because of the suckage. over time the prequels will fade into obscurity, no matter if its considered "officially" part of the story by lucas. for me, i pretend it doesnt exist. and life is sooo good when you do that. the PT was for me, too colorful, too clean looking and the CGI effects for the most part were terrible. sure, i saw ROTS in theaters and yeah it was alright, certainly better then the other 2 crapfests, but i couldnt help it, the prequels are just loaded with inconsistensies, all the way from just the look of the films all the way to yoda useing a lightsaber (that SUCKED!!!!). none of the villians were cool or original, and as much as i love chris lee, his part in the prequels was laughable at best, thanks to lucas for that. everyone knows that you cant beat Vader as the ultimate villian. and seriously, with a name like friggin dooku, how serious can it be? sounds like dooku is about to take a dooku in his pants. stupid. and darth maul? cool look, but only 5 minutes of screentime? LAME. bah, i never liked the idea of 2 double bladed lightsaber anyway. maybe these movies would have worked if they took place AFTER the originals and not before them.

anyway, if i were to sum up the prequels in 2 words it would be, dissapointing and failure.

 

[snap-hiss]

problem is, i was and still am totally uninterested in that era of star wars. they could have still kept that whole part in the dark. i wanted to see more luke

I could read the rest of your post, but you've summed up your problem right at the start, which was quite convenient. I respect your opinion, there are eras of SW which would interest me as well (NJO for instance), but that's not Star Wars. Star Wars is and has always been the story of Anakin Skywalker.

!snap

 

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[Silver Knight]

So whats new on the SW front guys?

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

I could read the rest of your post, but you've summed up your problem right at the start, which was quite convenient. I respect your opinion, there are eras of SW which would interest me as well (NJO for instance), but that's not Star Wars. Star Wars is and has always been the story of Anakin Skywalker.

!snap

Yes, when I watched the first trilogy I've always thought "Yes, this is the story of Anakin Skywalker"

Oh jeez

 

[TBadora]

That thing is even scarier looking that the original Vader.

 

[snap-hiss]

Yes, when I watched the first trilogy I've always thought "Yes, this is the story of Anakin Skywalker"

Oh jeez

I'm not sure I understand the point of your post. Just pointing out your own lack of understanding?

!snap

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

I'm not sure I understand the point of your post. Just pointing out your own lack of understanding?

!snap

Star Wars was NEVER intended to be the story of Anakin Skywalker (and this guy wasn't supposed to be Darth Vader and the empire was defeated by the end of A New Hope, BTW). This was something what was made up afterwards, when the new movies came. "Oh the Tradegy of Darth Vader". No.

So "Star Wars is and has always been the story of Anakin Skywalker." is wrong.

 

[snap-hiss]

Star Wars was NEVER intended to be the story of Anakin Skywalker (and this guy wasn't supposed to be Darth Vader and the empire was defeated by the end of A New Hope, BTW). This was something what was made up afterwards, when the new movies came. "Oh the Tradegy of Darth Vader". No.

So "Star Wars is and has always been the story of Anakin Skywalker." is wrong.

You can believe whatever you want to believe. You're certainly not the first person to sleep better at night with their neat little uninformed hatred of the prequels tied up in a nice red bow.

Welcome to the forum btw.

!snap

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

You can believe whatever you want to believe. You're certainly not the first person to sleep better at night with their neat little uninformed hatred of the prequels tied up in a nice red bow.

Welcome to the forum btw.

!snap

thank you.

Has nothing to do with being uninformed.

www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com

 

[C. Lee]

problem is, i was and still am totally uninterested in that era of star wars.

That's your perogative....but millions of other fans were interested in it.

they could have still kept that whole part in the dark. i wanted to see more luke, even if everyone was a bit older. if not, LEAVE IT ALONE.

Like I said above...your perogative....but many others are interested in the total Star Wars universe.

dont do friggin origin stuff.

If you personally have no interest in what happens to a person in their younger years to make them what they are as an adult....that's your call. But I, and millions of others, are interested in that aspect of a person's life. And also....doing an "origin" means doing something "original".....not the same old stuff.

i actually blame lucas for making hollywood want to "prequel"-ize its big franchises, like batman and james bond.

"Butch and Sundance:the Early Years", "The Thorn Birds:the Missing Years", "Greystoke:the legend of Tarzan of the Apes", "Superman the Motion Picture"....are just some of the many Hollywood productions that explored the origins of established characters......and were done years before Lucas made the prequels.

news flash, nobody cares about how they came to be, just leave it alone!

News Flash....millions do care.

the PT did NOT fit in well with the OT, everything in the OT looked olde, beat up, rugged, "used", as lucas put it. but in the PT everything looked brand new, over CGI-ed and cheap (not in a good way).

Hmmmm......the Original Trilogy takes place 20 some years after the Galaxy has fallen under the despotic rule of the Emperor....who obviously spends more of the Galactic budget on armament than improving the infrastructure....and it looks more "rugged" and "used' than the stuff 20 some years younger and properly taken care of. How dare Lucas try to show the difference that having an evil government in charge can do to a society.

sure some of the lightsaber battles were impressive but i still think the movies could have been much more then they were.

That can be said about all movies.

and who could forget the bad acting (ie. padmes love pledge....UGHHH!), the lame storyline, the terrible script, the fake-as-hell lookin CGI battles on videogame-inspired planets?

Ok....if the guy who wrote and directed this "lame ass" stuff had wrote and directed the same "lame ass" stuff....but put it after the Original Trilogy.....it would have been better?

for me, they were forgettable kiddy crap meant to sell toys and videogames, not in any kind of competition with the OT because of the suckage.

Lord knows nothing about the original trilogy was created to sell toys and games (which is funny since Lucas's main contract negotiation starting with "A New Hope" was for the merchandising rights....I wonder why he wanted merchandising rights from the very beginning....I guess it was so that he could make toys 25 years later).

over time the prequels will fade into obscurity, no matter if its considered "officially" part of the story by lucas.

As said before....that's your perogative to believe. Over time....all movies will fade into obscurity.....but I and others believe that the Prequels will stand up to the test of time.

for me, i pretend it doesnt exist.and life is sooo good when you do that.

That's fine for you....just don't attack the people who don't share that opinion.

the PT was for me, too colorful, too clean looking and the CGI effects for the most part were terrible. sure, i saw ROTS in theaters and yeah it was alright, certainly better then the other 2 crapfests,

The difference in looks of the PT and OT were explained before.

but i couldnt help it, the prequels are just loaded with inconsistensies, all the way from just the look of the films all the way to yoda useing a lightsaber (that SUCKED!!!!).

So....the most reknowned Jedi of his and other generations was not supposed to be able to use a lightsabre?

none of the villians were cool or original,

Millions of fans love Darth Maul and General Grievous.....they are considered quite cool and original.

and as much as i love chris lee, his part in the prequels was laughable at best, thanks to lucas for that.

His part in "Return of the Sith" was too short....but I wouldn't call his participation in the movies "laughable".

everyone knows that you cant beat Vader as the ultimate villian.

Since he was redeemed in the last, and yet the man who threw an entire Galaxy into disaray and caused the death of billions never showed an inkling of remorse wasn't.....the assesment of who is the "ultimate" villian is up to personal opinion.

and seriously, with a name like friggin dooku, how serious can it be?

Here's someone not to take serious either....Idi Amin Dada.

sounds like dooku is about to take a dooku in his pants. stupid.

Sounds like a 5 year old made that comment.

and darth maul? cool look, but only 5 minutes of screentime? LAME.

A lot more than 5 minutes....some things we are discussing are opinions....others are facts.

bah, i never liked the idea of 2 double bladed lightsaber anyway.

Again....millions thought it was a great idea.

maybe these movies would have worked if they took place AFTER the originals and not before them.

Yeah, that's a great idea....let's make amovie showing Annakin as a child....but set it after he dies.....

anyway, if i were to sum up the prequels in 2 words it would be, dissapointing and failure.

That's your perogative....millions disagree though.