This generation's Star Wars

[Erzengel]

I agree. I understand the thinking about Potter, due to popularity/money it's made, but I don't think this question is all about money. Star Wars was a game changer, it set the bar to a new, previously unseen level. It was visionary and of its time--it wouldn't have worked at any other time as well as it did. It was undeniable even if you were in the minority of not liking it. There's been nothing like it. Not even close.

I think the first Star Trek movie which had it's own TV series obviously, was influenced by Star Wars. I think I remember changes being done to the movie, especially the music and the special effects because they wanted to do something similar in terms to the level of Star Wars.

 

[JAK®]

The original Spider-Man is this generation's Star Wars. It kick started the superhero blockbuster, with every year since having at least one superhero movie released.

 

[Eggyman]

I think the first Star Trek movie which had it's own TV series obviously, was influenced by Star Wars. I think I remember changes being done to the movie, especially the music and the special effects because they wanted to do something similar in terms to the level of Star Wars.

Erz, you're breaking my heart :Portmanface:


It's absolutely true. Abrams says as much in the commentary. They wanted fast and kinetic like Star Wars rather than the battleship stand-offs from Star Trek of old. It hurts my geek to say it having never been a Star Trek fan (not even remotely), but I found a lot more enjoyment in that film even though there was enjoyment to have in the prequels... but I could never savour it due to the questions in my head: Where's the magic? Where's the spark? Where did they get that beard of Obi-Wan's from--did they grow it? Why does she love him? Why do the Jedi's need the force to know that the guy's an accident waiting to happen? Why doesn't Lucas man-up and ignore his ego so he can hire someone to write dialogue? Where the f--- is the Solo-type character that balanced the originals? Why have I missed the film?

Because I was asking myself all those questions, that's why.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^
I just rewatched ST The Movien picture commentaries yesterday :

- Robert Wise wasn't satisfaced with the score ( because there was no "theme" ) and made composer Jerry Goldsmith redo it.
- about the ships battle : it was only in Warth of Khan that director Nicholas Meyer wanted more navy fight style.

 

[Erzengel]

My comment wasn't a knock on Star Trek, just the influence of Star Wars. I think they wanted to do another TV show but with the success of Star Wars and I think Close Encounters they went ahead with the Star Trek: The Motion Picture. They wanted to the special effects to be as good as Star Wars and they wanted a sweeping score like Star Wars.

 

[Eggyman]

I've seen my share of Star Trek films and TV shows (older ones) and to me they have always seemed quite... static.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

My comment wasn't a knock on Star Trek, just the influence of Star Wars. I think they wanted to do another TV show but with the success of Star Wars and I think Close Encounters they went ahead with the Star Trek: The Motion Picture. They wanted to the special effects to be as good as Star Wars and they wanted a sweeping score like Star Wars.

That was more less that but less than more
They wanted a new TV show, then a picture, then back to a TV show and so forth. The succes of StarWars helped the decision to make a picture but that was the only influence.
Robert Wise and Jerry Goldsmith said it in the bonus : Wise wasn't satisfaced with the score, nothing to do with Star Wars theme.
Of course they wanted good SFX, it was a picture not a TV show with low budget.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I've seen my share of Star Trek films and TV shows (older ones) and to me they have always seemed quite... static.

Yes they were but it changed a bit in Wrath of Khan ( the dog fight in the nebula ) and a lot with JJ Abrams movie.

 

[Eggyman]

Yes they were but it changed a bit in Wrath of Khan ( the dog fight in the nebula ) and a lot with JJ Abrams movie.

Right.

Hope you don't think I was knocking it. Loved the new film but I still wouldn't call myself a fan.

 

[Erzengel]

That was more less that but less than more
They wanted a new TV show, then a picture, then back to a TV show and so forth. The succes of StarWars helped the decision to make a picture but that was the only influence.
Robert Wise and Jerry Goldsmith said it in the bonus : Wise wasn't satisfaced with the score, nothing to do with Star Wars theme.
Of course they wanted good SFX, it was a picture not a TV show with low budget.

Read that they wanted a sweeping score like Star Wars from wikipedia and that was taken from the Director's Edition.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Right.

Hope you don't think I was knocking it. Loved the new film but I still wouldn't call myself a fan.

Not at all, if it were Star Wars ( the OT ) I might challenge you to a duel to the death but it is only Star Trek ( I like Star Trek but I am not a die hard fan ).

Read that they wanted a sweeping score like Star Wars from wikipedia and that was taken from the Director's Edition.

Oh...well, maybe Wise omitted that part in the bonus, no big deal.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I dunno if people can compare popularity to SW now and/or over time with the more recent popularity with HP or LOTR today unless there's some old-time user here who can actually speak on behalf of the actual level of popularity the SW films had during the 80's in comparison to the HP films now in the 00's-10's.

 

[CGHulk]

There was nothing before Star Wars in terms of the world going batty over a movie that every age group loved it and the merchandising! It was a phenomenon in terms of marketing. Today the the market is over flooded from Anime to Marvel and DC because of Star Wars (George Lucas), there was nothing before on the scale of Star Wars, the only film franchise that made money before was Planet of the Apes that wasn't much in comparison in terms of revenue to Star Wars. Movie merchandising took over the Cons. Directors started making movies, then came all the toy merchandising. Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! Lets not forget George Lucas pushing computer graphics so that all these super hero movies and fantasy movies could be made. The Harry Potter outline is very close to Star Wars, and the 2009 Star Trek movie is a re-imagining of Star Wars in a sense. After Star Wars and the money it made in merchandise, merchandise then took off in every venue. A lot of people think George Lucas is the devil not for making the bad prequels but for starting up the the movies and video games and toys merchandising mayhem that it is today. How can anything can be this generations Star Wars in such an overblown market, there was nothing before Star Wars, now everything is the cause of it. To this day George is still milking it for all its worth!

 

[redhawk23]

While Star Wars's influence was definitely felt upon the Star Trek movies, Star Trek its self had a number of influences upon Star Wars.

For instance, the scene in A New Hope when Obiwan feels a disturbance in the force when Alderaan is destroyed is line for line almost exactly the same as a scene from a Star Trek episode, but insteado Obiwan, it was Spock.

there are others.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I agree. I understand the thinking about Potter, due to popularity/money it's made, but I don't think this question is all about money. Star Wars was a game changer, it set the bar to a new, previously unseen level. It was visionary and of its time--it wouldn't have worked at any other time as well as it did. It was undeniable even if you were in the minority of not liking it. There's been nothing like it. Not even close.

I'd disagree. I'd actually say the reverse. HP films haven't had an impact on cinema the way Star Wars has. Star Wars changed the entire industry and influenced how films were made. Harry Potter hasn't done that.

Culturally though? Harry Potter is huge. I'm not sure if I could say on the same level as Star Wars, but really close. An entire generation grew up with these books. They've sold in the billions, it made JK Rowling literally richer then the Queen of England, it has it's own Theme Park, heck, Muggle has even been added to the friggin dictionary.

Harry Potter has had a huge cultural impact. There's no way to deny that. But what Star Wars has that Harry Potter doesn't, that nothing really has, is that not only was it a huge cultural impact, but it was also a film that revolutionized an entire industry.

 

[3dman27]

spider-man triolgy

 

[Duke]

For me, its always been Star Wars.

 

[redhawk23]

I'd disagree. I'd actually say the reverse. HP films haven't had an impact on cinema the way Star Wars has. Star Wars changed the entire industry and influenced how films were made. Harry Potter hasn't done that.

Culturally though? Harry Potter is huge. I'm not sure if I could say on the same level as Star Wars, but really close. An entire generation grew up with these books. They've sold in the billions, it made JK Rowling literally richer then the Queen of England, it has it's own Theme Park, heck, Muggle has even been added to the friggin dictionary.

Harry Potter has had a huge cultural impact. There's no way to deny that. But what Star Wars has that Harry Potter doesn't, that nothing really has, is that not only was it a huge cultural impact, but it was also a film that revolutionized an entire industry.

Harry Potter's influence lies more in the publishing industry, which is why I think many underestimate it's effect. (because I agree it hasn't changed the way movies are made) Harry Potter has led to an explosion of YA fiction, publishers constantly looking for the next series. The fact that YA exists as its own distinction seperate from childrens fiction is also largely to do with Potter. In this way Harry Potter has changed the way books are marketed, almost how Jaws invented the blockbuster movie. Before Harry Potter, how many malls had midnight releases for books? There were hugely popular series of childrens books before Potter but did you see giant lines of people for Goosebumps? Since Harry Potter, other series like Twilight have gotten similar treatment.

Also, while it hasn't changed how movies or made, I'd argue Harry Potter has had a large influence one which movies get made. Just as the publishing industry has cranked out new series about young characters, Hollywood has snapped up the rights and attempted to launch film franchises off of them with various degrees of success.

 

[Erzengel]

Well, now we have midnight video game releases and for consoles and for iPads, etc. It was this generation of movies though that started the midnight showing though, I'm not sure if Star Wars: Episode I was the first one, but I know Star Wars: Episode II was one of them.

 

[Lord]

The new star wars is not twilight, it's still harry potter, twilight is what some girls called the new harry potter wich is very stupid to say if you ask me.
Now here's a chronology of what i thing is the big things:
The Lord of the Rings > then came Star Wars > and now we have Harry Potter
Star wars brought the sence of adventure back to people and harry potter did that again.

 

[Lord]

Here are 2 new possible aplications for this generations Star Wars:
The Fast and the Furious film series and Naruto, naruto seems to have everything for everybody so it can be considered that.

 

[childeroland]

The Harry Potter novels are this generation's Star Wars.

 

[Matt]

I'd disagree. I'd actually say the reverse. HP films haven't had an impact on cinema the way Star Wars has. Star Wars changed the entire industry and influenced how films were made. Harry Potter hasn't done that.

Culturally though? Harry Potter is huge. I'm not sure if I could say on the same level as Star Wars, but really close. An entire generation grew up with these books. They've sold in the billions, it made JK Rowling literally richer then the Queen of England, it has it's own Theme Park, heck, Muggle has even been added to the friggin dictionary.

Harry Potter has had a huge cultural impact. There's no way to deny that. But what Star Wars has that Harry Potter doesn't, that nothing really has, is that not only was it a huge cultural impact, but it was also a film that revolutionized an entire industry.

Harry Potter's influence lies more in the publishing industry, which is why I think many underestimate it's effect. (because I agree it hasn't changed the way movies are made) Harry Potter has led to an explosion of YA fiction, publishers constantly looking for the next series. The fact that YA exists as its own distinction seperate from childrens fiction is also largely to do with Potter. In this way Harry Potter has changed the way books are marketed, almost how Jaws invented the blockbuster movie. Before Harry Potter, how many malls had midnight releases for books? There were hugely popular series of childrens books before Potter but did you see giant lines of people for Goosebumps? Since Harry Potter, other series like Twilight have gotten similar treatment.

Also, while it hasn't changed how movies or made, I'd argue Harry Potter has had a large influence one which movies get made. Just as the publishing industry has cranked out new series about young characters, Hollywood has snapped up the rights and attempted to launch film franchises off of them with various degrees of success.

Exactly. No movie of this generation (or any generation since 1977) has had the same cultural impact as Star Wars. The Harry Potter books on the other hand, have.

In addition to everything that you guys mentioned, Harry Potter made reading cool again for kids. Prior to the Potter books reading was a chore for kids and teenagers. Only dorks and geeks did it. Now it is perfectly acceptable for a teenager to spend a Saturday night in Barnes and Noble. J.K. Rowling single handedly revived reading in the eyes of young people. If there were no Potter there would be no Eragon, no Percy Jackson, no Twilight, etc. Well, these books would have probably been written, but they would be minor blips on the radar due to the lack of a market.

As far as movies go, there has not been a Star Wars of this generation, probably never will be. But the Harry Potter books are the cultural equivilant.

 

[Erzengel]

Here are 2 new possible aplications for this generations Star Wars:
The Fast and the Furious film series and Naruto, naruto seems to have everything for everybody so it can be considered that.

No.