Starz Original Series - Spartacus: Vengeance

[Golgo-13]

I think the Crucifixtions was what turned him.

 

[Lencho01]

Or he was also mad about Ashur's ************.

 

[zanos]

i also think that the actor is just much better. not only the writers who have failed to give spartacus more, but the actor choosen for the role is just weak. lucky that there are many other characters who are far more interesting than the lead character..

Correct, it's a double whammy. Liam isn't awful, but his range is appears to be limited compared to some of his costars. The problem here is, the show is about him, not his costars.

Yes, this season seems to be much less about Spartacus, and more about develeoping the co-stars- hence the ep before last which featured Illythia. I enjoyed this past ep.

I don't see Glaber making into past season 2, now that just about everyone is plotting against him.

Gannicus sure gave Glaber an answer, even though it wasnt the one Glaber was looking for!

Yes, and therein lies the problem. Why is the showing concentrating more on Ilythia than on Spartacus? The show is great and fun to watch, but not because of Spartacus, but in spite of him.

 

[Lencho01]

Part of me feels that they'll really go with the idea of Spartacus being the father of Ilythia's baby.

 

[Prison Mike]

The scene with Spartacus slicing the guy's face was awesome. I just love the violence in this show. Gannicus was pretty badass too at the end. I'm pretty satisfied with Liam as Spartacus. I've gotten used to him and he can really give out an inspiring speech. I'm not as in love with Gannicus as everyone else seems to be. I think this season has really become an ensemble rather than focused on just one guy like in season 1. We pretty much know everything about Spartacus. I'd like to see the other characters get more developed so I'm really enjoying this season. I'd like them to spend some more time on Crixus and Mira.

 

[Marvin]

This show is back on track.

I think it would have been stronger if Gannicus left his freedom sword in the guy's neck. Would have been a strong message about what freedom really is. (note he may have I really didn't get a good look).

Alright, Liam. Unfortunately the writing isn't doing him any favors. I swear every single episode consists of giving him approx. 15-18 minutes of him looking left to right sternly at his failing ranks. Breaking up a squabble and then reminding everyone that he's going to take down Rome. REALLY. It's a shame, Andy had some really juicy material(especially when Glabor was anywhere in the vicinity. Andy begging for his wife's life, Andy with his back against the wall every day, Andy killing his friend...etc. Liam has had absolutely nothing given to him of that caliber. And nothing to make us really root for him. An interesting decision on it own but a huge error given the recasting situation. I don't think this is going to end well. And hopefully Crassus will be the Equal that finally give's liam something to do whist we wait for the famous ending.

Onemaus, now that's he's joined the ranks I fear has lost his chance to shine. Same with Crixus and anyone else that follows spartacus. This is precisely why people here are talking about Gannicus, cause he's got stuff to do. Stay way Gannicus, have a life.

Just think how much more interesting Mira would be had she been caught two eps ago. People get to shine when they are away from the group. That includes Spartacus.

Anyways, next ep looks promising as hell. Spartacus finally has Glabors wife! Justice will be done! Unfortunately, Glabor has found something new...

Agron and Asher though hated really are keeping the show interesting. They need more screen time.

 

[Prison Mike]

yeah, Gannicus did leave his freedom sword in that guy's neck.

 

[Lencho01]

Another thing with Mira is that they've twice had people comment on how much Spartacus cares for her. But, I never really get that from him and they just always have her gaze at him lovingly when he isn't looking. Maybe they'll do something with that later on.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Illythia will probably use the "you may be my baby daddy Spartacus!" to keep her alive.

 

[Lencho01]

She has to. I'd like to see his reaction to that and if he'll tell Glaber.

 

[Marvin]

yeah, Gannicus did leave his freedom sword in that guy's neck.

EXCELLENT!

just seems like a waste otherwise.
Can't believe they killed my favorite ancilla if my latin serves me correctly, in the last ep. I was even more disappointed than even her master.

 

[SpitCurl]

Love this show.

Like a lot of you, it took me until Ep 4 of B&S to really enjoy it, as it felt like such a 300 rip-off & I absolutely couldn't stand Spartacus -- he came across as a such a naive, petulant & self-serving little brat. It really hit its stride in Ep 4, though, & I started to root for Andy & love his portrayal & by the end, the guy owned it. One of the best season finale's I'd ever seen. This season feels about the same it terms of setting up through-lines & building momentum, plot-wise, but I've never had a problem with Liam. Yeah, I'll never completely not miss Andy, & at certain times with certain scenes, I can't help but picture him in the role, but Liam is fine, in my opinion

It's still a little...odd to see so many guys on this thread commenting on Liam's build. Let it go, fellas. As noted, he was 45lbs under-weight when he auditioned -- I don't care if there's a paycheck involved or not, let's see any of you try to re-coup that plus have it look chiseled and defined. Also, why wouldn't he look smaller? He's a stressed-out leader of a slave revolt, not some prima donna champ getting regular meals and exercises.

What would you have him do, leave the rag-tag group of in-fighting slaves to themselves while he runs into the woods with a few pieces of meat he was able to hide in his loin-cloth and do some push-ups? Come on...

Crixus also looks noticeably smaller & less cut, as he should. Check screen-caps from Friday's ep vs. last season. He's lost a lot of his hulking v-shape he had, & for good reason -- the guy is just struggling to survive now.

As for Spartacus, I think of Andy as v1.0: a young, naive, almost-smug guy who's only concern are his own problems and fate. He's a bit "Hal Jordan".

Liam is 2.0: grizzled, tired, haunted; a guy is responsible for the lives of dozens of slaves & literally being chased by an army. This isn't the time for the charming Spartacus who could flash a smile & give a witty remark to Varro while swinging a sword around the ludus. He's a bit more Batman.

Mira is a badass, Ashur needs to die (gruesomely), but not just yet. Loving to hate him right now. Glabor is not bull*****ting & I love his character becoming more and more of a shark -- singled-minded of purpose and without remorse. Naevia...I'll reserve judgement. Seems they're starting to shed the shell-shocked, PTSD-suffering weakling and toughen her up some. Also, yay, Gannicus

 

[rayc1971]

The scene with Spartacus slicing the guy's face was awesome. I just love the violence in this show. Gannicus was pretty badass too at the end. I'm pretty satisfied with Liam as Spartacus. I've gotten used to him and he can really give out an inspiring speech. I'm not as in love with Gannicus as everyone else seems to be. I think this season has really become an ensemble rather than focused on just one guy like in season 1. We pretty much know everything about Spartacus. I'd like to see the other characters get more developed so I'm really enjoying this season. I'd like them to spend some more time on Crixus and Mira.

that was awsome did you see the dudes brain fall out to that was wild!

 

[Golgo-13]

Correct, it's a double whammy. Liam isn't awful, but his range is appears to be limited compared to some of his costars. The problem here is, the show is about him, not his costars.



Yes, and therein lies the problem. Why is the showing concentrating more on Ilythia than on Spartacus? The show is great and fun to watch, but not because of Spartacus, but in spite of him.

I don't find it an issue. Gods of the Arena didn't foucs too much on one person. It was more of an ensemble with Batiatus at the center. They must have realize after GOTA that the show, unlike season 1, doesn't have to focus on one person. Therefore season 2 is structured more like the 'Gods' prequel and less like season 1.

Another thing with Mira is that they've twice had people comment on how much Spartacus cares for her. But, I never really get that from him and they just always have her gaze at him lovingly when he isn't looking. Maybe they'll do something with that later on.

I don't think he loves Mira the same way as she loves him. She's more just a source of console for him. Remember, she basically forced herself on him in season one, despite him refusing her advances. Not to mention, he still has a burning hatred for what Glaber did to him and his wife. He's still madly in love with his wife, and the fact that he can't let go of his revenge for Glaber is proof of it.

I think back to season one, and don't even remember him really gunning for Glaber at all.

 

[rayc1971]

Illythia will probably use the "you may be my baby daddy Spartacus!" to keep her alive.

i think spartacus is the father! this will play into season 3!

 

[Lencho01]

I don't think he loves Mira the same way as she loves him. She's more just a source of console for him. Remember, she basically forced herself on him in season one, despite him refusing her advances. Not to mention, he still has a burning hatred for what Glaber did to him and his wife. He's still madly in love with his wife, and the fact that he can't let go of his revenge for Glaber is proof of it.

I think back to season one, and don't even remember him really gunning for Glaber at all.

Maybe in due time he'll show the same passion for her like he did for his wife. He does appreciate that she sticks with him. Plus, who else will yell at him in slomo so he can notice something important in battle? Hahaha.

I agree about his hatred for Glaber, but I feel it may have to do with his situation. He couldn't do much before and his main concern was just to be with his wife and possibly escape.

Once Quintus messed with him, it pretty much opened his eyes to just how much it can suck to have your life screwed with by people who think you're lower than dirt/pawns to be used for anything. He lost his wife and the best friend/brother. So, now it was time to get revenge on everyone and make sure something like this can't happen to anyone else

 

[squeekness]

Part of me feels that they'll really go with the idea of Spartacus being the father of Ilythia's baby.

i think spartacus is the father! this will play into season 3!

I certainly hope not! . LOL, that would be just a little too ridiculous.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Why? The timing of them having sex could add up to how far along she is.

 

[Lencho01]

And they had that flashback of them having sex when she was *********ing while taking a bath. It could've been a hint.

 

[zanos]

I don't find it an issue. Gods of the Arena didn't foucs too much on one person. It was more of an ensemble with Batiatus at the center. They must have realize after GOTA that the show, unlike season 1, doesn't have to focus on one person. Therefore season 2 is structured more like the 'Gods' prequel and less like season 1.



I don't think he loves Mira the same way as she loves him. She's more just a source of console for him. Remember, she basically forced herself on him in season one, despite him refusing her advances. Not to mention, he still has a burning hatred for what Glaber did to him and his wife. He's still madly in love with his wife, and the fact that he can't let go of his revenge for Glaber is proof of it.

I think back to season one, and don't even remember him really gunning for Glaber at all.

If Katrina Law threw herself at me I'd have trouble falling in love with her too!

As for Spartacus, the fact remains that he is still a pathetically weak character even within an ensemble cast. The writers simply have no idea what to do with him at this point. It would have been so depressing watching Andy play him this season the way he is written. He probably needs to be killed off soon for the sake of the show.

 

[kane9321]

Gannicus gave glaber an answer all right

 

[Golgo-13]

And they had that flashback of them having sex when she was *********ing while taking a bath. It could've been a hint.

This.

Although, i think at the time her and Spartacus did the need, Illythia really wasn't away from Glaber that long. I think she had been staying with Lucretia for a day or two at that point (have to re-watch the ep) so she could have easily been impregnated by Glaber a few days before. There were no DNA test in those days, so it's so hard to know who's really related to who....

I can't see both Illythia and Glaber making it past this season. Both of them have it out or the other. Someone's going to die...

 

[Prison Mike]

I think there's an equal chance the father is Spartacus or Glaber. But I think it will be Spartacus just because it makes for some interesting television.

 

[Lencho01]

The only way I can see them proving who's the father is by someone saying it looks a lot like one guy or the other. Or maybe all this is moot and they'll kill Ilythia and/or the baby.

Another baby was Lucretia's... did Quintus think the baby was his or was fine with it being Crixus' child?

 

[Golgo-13]

From what i remember he knew it was probably Crixus' but was o.k with it due to the fact that Lucretia was unable to concieve, up until that point; which now lets you know his sperm was the issue and not her.