State of Emergency: Baltimore Edition

[Teelie]

I take it to mean that it does not include anyone who is not black, as in the reverse is true: only black lives matter, and no one else's.

It should be #everylifematters but when you get race involved or ethnicity that goes out the window.

 

[Kelly]

And Gray's arrest is allegedly illegal in the first place. Wow.

I didn't hear that last night on my rounds of news watching, when did that come out and do you have a source, that is very interesting.

 

[Kelly]

I'm not seeing had to.



But we don't know.

Also, that was a pretty forceful escort.

He was yelling, walking towards the police line yelling "you aren't gonna arrest me, you aren't gonna arrest me" the reporter tried to calm him down but he wouldn't. The take down didn't look any harder than what I have seen here at school when a student does not with officers.

How about walking in the shoes of the police for a few days...

 

[Kelly]

I'd be interested in that unauthorized stop they made. The one caught on a surveillance camera.

Me too....

 

[The Question]

He was yelling, walking towards the police line yelling "you aren't gonna arrest me, you aren't gonna arrest me" the reporter tried to calm him down but he wouldn't. The take down didn't look any harder than what I have seen here at school when a student does not with officers.

Which speaks volumes about the police at your school.

How about walking in the shoes of the police for a few days...

"They're stressed out and scared" isn't an excuse for authority figures using unnecessary force. The only thing that proves is that we need better trained cops.


I really don't understand the compulsion to defend the people who have all the power in this situation. They don't need the help.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

As long as it is done based on evidence and conclusions, I would hope if the officers did something to him they would be charged. Hopefully charges don't just come to appease the protesters/calm down the rioters.

 

[Kelly]

Which speaks volumes about the police at your school.



"They're stressed out and scared" isn't an excuse for authority figures using unnecessary force. The only thing that proves is that we need better trained cops.


I really don't understand the compulsion to defend the people who have all the power in this situation. They don't need the help.

Yes it does, when they see the need to protect the faculty and students they do. And do a damn good job of it. When you come at an officer who is armed, and when told to stop, you don't...well, then you will be taken down. And ya know, for some reason, I think the take down was exactly what the man wanted. Between the interview, yelling "you ain't gonna arrest me" and his walking very purposefully toward the officers...looked pretty obvious.

And I don't understand your disdain and lack of respect for people in these positions. So there ya go....

 

[The Question]

Yes it does, when they see the need to protect the faculty and students they do. And do a damn good job of it.

By keeping the student body in a state of fear?

And protecting the students from who? Themselves? People walking around and loudly mouthing off?

That sounds exactly like fascism to me.

And I don't understand your disdain and lack of respect for people in these positions. So there ya go....

Because they abuse their power and get away with it.

I have plenty of respect for police officers who do good things, but the "arrest" in that video was a terrifying overreaction. Terrifying overreactions seem to be the norm in law enforcement.

Why do you feel the need to defend the people who don't need defending?

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I guess cops should be like, "Hey there, do you mind if I arrest you for selling heroin?" to which the thug replies, "Nah man." and cop should say, "Ok just checking. Have a good day."

 

[PacificBoy]

I didn't hear that last night on my rounds of news watching, when did that come out and do you have a source, that is very interesting.

From CNN and CBS Baltimore. On CNN here you have the charges listed with footage of Marilyn Mosby from the press con detailing them:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-police-charges/index.html

 

[Kar]

People mistaken #BlackLivesMatter as us/people saying "only ours matters and no one else's" but that's not the case at all. Its a reminder that our lives aren't worthless like the way they're treated. A black kid/woman/person is dead at the hands of a system that is supposed to protect us and the media decides to bring up things like rap sheets and criminal pasts to make it appear as if because they had these charges or records their lives don't mean anything. We say "black lives matter" when we see blacks getting shot up in Walmarts by police for having a toy gun, but then you have white criminals/suspects who aren't met with the same lethal force.

Yes, all lives matter. But yall didn't start saying that until everyone else started saying "black lives matter". Because there isn't really a need for white people to reassure the media or themselves that their lives matter over others cause that's practically been proven, if you ask me.

And for the record, if you actually pay attention to the hashtag other lives are mentioned as well, like TransLives for example, due to the deaths of transgender women that haven't been getting much mention in the news as well.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

The video I saw of the actual arrest didn't show overuse of force The question is what happened in the van. Did Gray freak out and try to injure himself to get cops in trouble? Did he have a seizure cause of drug use and hit his head on the bolt? Did the cops pull over and beat him up? Did driving the van around erratically lead to his death?

 

[The Question]

I guess cops should be like, "Hey there, do you mind if I arrest you for selling heroin?" to which the thug replies, "Nah man." and cop should say, "Ok just checking. Have a good day."

Yes, because when I say police officers are too aggressive and forceful, the only logical alternative to that is a totally unrealistic and exaggerated hypothetical scenario. It's not like a middle ground exists between the thing I'm criticizing and the thing you said to make my criticism sound foolish.

 

[Kar]

He was yelling, walking towards the police line yelling "you aren't gonna arrest me, you aren't gonna arrest me" the reporter tried to calm him down but he wouldn't. The take down didn't look any harder than what I have seen here at school when a student does not with officers.

How about walking in the shoes of the police for a few days...

How about walking in the shoes of a black person for a few days?

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

People mistaken #BlackLivesMatter as us/people saying "only ours matters and no one else's" but that's not the case at all. Its a reminder that our lives aren't worthless like the way they're treated. A black kid/woman/person is dead at the hands of a system that is supposed to protect us and the media decides to bring up things like rap sheets and criminal pasts to make it appear as if because they had these charges or records their lives don't mean anything. We say "black lives matter" when we see blacks getting shot up in Walmarts by police for having a toy gun, but then you have white criminals/suspects who aren't met with the same lethal force.

Yes, all lives matter. But yall didn't start saying that until everyone else started saying "black lives matter". Because there isn't really a need for white people to reassure the media or themselves that their lives matter over others cause that's practically been proven, if you ask me.

And for the record, if you actually pay attention to the hashtag other lives are mentioned as well, like TransLives for example, due to the deaths of transgender women that haven't been getting much mention in the news as well.

Bias like this is void of objectivity.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Yes, because when I say police officers are too aggressive and forceful, the only logical alternative to that is a totally unrealistic and exaggerated hypothetical scenario. It's not like a middle ground exists between the thing I'm criticizing and the thing you said to make my criticism sound foolish.

After someone runs/even attacks and is belligerent I'd be curious to see what kind of force you think will subdue them for arrest. Really.

 

[The Question]

After someone runs/even attacks and is belligerent I'd be curious to see what kind of force you think will subdue them for arrest. Really.

We weren't talking about a scenario where someone was attacking the police officers.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

We weren't talking about a scenario where someone was attacking the police officers.

It seemed people were talking in rather broad terms, but if that's your play now ok.

 

[The Question]

It seemed people were talking in rather broad terms, but if that's your play now ok.

I'm not playing at anything. We were specifically talking about Joseph Kent's arrest.

 

[The Question]

However, if you want to start talking in broad terms: Yes, in broad terms, police officers use far too much force when attempting to retrain people. Sure, there are some scenarios where a high level of force is absolutely necessary, but I'm not criticizing those situations. I'm criticizing the far more frequent situations where the police use far more force than is necessary and escalate the violence for no reason. And I think it's pretty safe to say that more often than not, this sort of thing happens when the suspect isn't white.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

#onlyblacklivesmatterapparently

News breaks of them being charged....and that's what you post?

That's funny. Especially considering how many times the police haven't been charged since the black lives matter movement started.

I'd be interested in that unauthorized stop they made. The one caught on a surveillance camera.

I'm not sure if it was unauthorized. But, it was something the officers omitted from their report (I believe five of the six officer filed one). Apparently, the only reason we even know of the fourth (it was second to last, I believe) is because the investigation led to discovery of a citizens video footage that showed the stop.

That was fishy, the omission of that extra stop.

I didn't hear that last night on my rounds of news watching, when did that come out and do you have a source, that is very interesting.

That was another interesting point, as well. Evidently, the officers lied in their report by saying it was a switchblade, which is apparently illegal in Baltimore. But, that the knife wasn't a switchblade, and was a lawful one.

 

[The Question]

Another point that needs to be made is that sometimes, when these protests get out of hand and devolve into rioting, it's the police who are responsible:

Attention Protesters: That Over-Zealous Agitator Might Be A Cop (VIDEO)
http://reverbpress.com/features/undercover-cops-infiltrate-protest-movements/

 

[Schlosser85]

Police subduing belligerent suspects is Fascism? I don't believe that, and frankly I don't think you do either.

 

[The Question]

Police subduing belligerent suspects is Fascism? I don't believe that, and frankly I don't think you do either.

Police aggressively subduing someone simply for being belligerent in order to protect a populace from their own is pretty darn fascist.

Don't twist my words.

 

[Schlosser85]

So if someone is being aggressive and making threatening statements or gestures toward other people in the vicinity, and is walking aggressively toward a police officer....what are they supposed to do, if they're not allowed to subdue them?