Stem Cell Transplant Cures HIV in "Berlin Patient"

[Colossal Spoons]

HIV/AIDS is one disease. Cancer is a whole category of diseases and stem from different causes. The two are not comparable. If HIV is indeed "cured" (and by cured, I mean "we no longer think this is a threat, though we'll gladly keep it in labs around the world because why not?", kinda like how smallpox was cured), then I shudder to think what new disease is around the corner.

Well let's see. We've already had avian and swine flu, so by my calculations...giraffe flu is next in line. Sources tell me that one's gonna be trouble

 

[SuperFerret]

Well, yeah. If it can **** up a seven foot long trachea, we're screwed.

 

[Mike_D202]

zombie virus ftw

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

sadly as cold as this makes me sounds, i do not think we will ever see a true cure for the likes of hiv or cancer etc mainly because there is far to much money in the treatments

 

[The Squirrel]

Yeah, Companies won't do it because there is too much money in not doing it. And the Government won't do it because it takes to much money to produce it.

 

[The Question]

sadly as cold as this makes me sounds, i do not think we will ever see a true cure for the likes of hiv or cancer etc mainly because there is far to much money in the treatments

At the same time, if knowledge of a cure becomes widespread, something much easier today what with the internet and all, the public backlash against companies witholding it could cause more damage to them than the money lost from releasing it would.

 

[redhawk23]

HIV/AIDS is one disease. Cancer is a whole category of diseases and stem from different causes. The two are not comparable. If HIV is indeed "cured" (and by cured, I mean "we no longer think this is a threat, though we'll gladly keep it in labs around the world because why not?", kinda like how smallpox was cured), then I shudder to think what new disease is around the corner.

Theres a difference between finding a cure, and eradicating them in the population which is what the small pox example illistrates.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

At the same time, if knowledge of a cure becomes widespread, something much easier today what with the internet and all, the public backlash against companies witholding it could cause more damage to them than the money lost from releasing it would.

sadly mate i don't think the backlash would be all that great, joe public rarely gives a toss. it happens all the time in the uk pills or medicine that prolongs life or stops insert cancer name and the nhs says it needs testing or it costs too much

about a week later it's all forgotten, same thing would happen with stuff like this

 

[doih]

*sigh*

anyone who says there is a cure for "cancer" does not understand a single thing about it. Cancer is a multitude of different diseases, each with its own genetic and environmental stimuli, as well as evolutionary responses. Saying there is a general cure for cancer is like saying there is a general cure for death. I'd like to know how many people being like 'OMGZ TEH PHARMAS AND GUVMIT WONT CURE CANCER' actually understand anything at all about science. Because it's clear that don't understand anything about the pathophysiology and genetics of cancer nor do you have any concept of cancer research. There is no way something like that would be kept secret. Somehow it would be leaked through case report or survivor stories.

Here's one question: most pediatric cases of acute lymphoblastic leukemia are curable (upwards of 80% depending on the type and genetics of the cancer). The vast majority of these kids are put into remission. Oncologists seldomly use the word "cure" but that is more historical, if your logic is right why even bother curing these kids?

Logical answer: maybe it's because one reason pediatric cancers are so treatable is they are very aggressive and often times the more aggressive a cancer the more susceptible it is to treatments. Many cancers that occur in adults are not aggressive and the cancers develop slowly over time and are harder to kill.

Of course, it is more fun to come up with conspiracy theories. You realise what you're saying is a large team of doctors/scientists who put years of their lives into developing this cure and then after they did, the company/people/govt/Cabal who did the funding pop in and said 'oh you got the cure, well thanks but we're not going to use it, and you're not going to talk about it, and btw we don't give a **** how many people or loved ones you know have or have had or maybe are even currently dying of cancer, you're not going to tell anyone.' Elders of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. are dying of cancer. If this shadowy illumanati exists you would think people like that would have access to the cure.


Yes, there are many natural methods of preventing health problems, and they need to be emphasised and taught more from young ages. That doesn't mean the Cabal is hiding the cure for cancer.

/derail

 

[Colossal Spoons]

*sigh*

anyone who says there is a cure for "cancer"does not understand a single thing about it. Cancer is a multitude of different diseases, each with its own genetic and environmental stimuli, as well as evolutionary responses. Saying there is a general cure for cancer is like saying there is a general cure for death. I'd like to know how many people being like 'OMGZ TEH PHARMAS AND GUVMIT WONT CURE CANCER' actually understand about science. Because it's clear that don't understand anything about the pathophysiology and genetics of cancer nor do you ahve any concept of cancer research. There is no way something like that would be kept secret. Somehow it would be leaked through case report or survivor stories.

I'm impressed. You managed to get Ph.D's in both oncology and condescension.

Human cells kill themselves all the time via apoptosis when they've reached their Hayflick's limit or if there's some other error. If researchers can find a way(and I know they're trying) to induce and localize apoptosis, the cancerous cells will essentially commit suicide. I'd certainly call that a "cure".

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Probably still not going to help people in poor countries ridden with it, will it?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^Agreed. Take some parts of Africa for instance. An HIV cure would help; no question about that, but a lot more needs to be changed if they're to improve their quality of life. The ways some of those women get HIV in the first place is freaking horrendous. And this isn't about imposing our American lifestyle onto them. "We" tried to help some African villages rid themselves of parasites a while back(hookworm I believe it was) by giving them shoes so they wouldn't walk around barefoot. Well they wore the shoes but didn't wear socks so they got fungal infections instead. Not their fault b/c they didn't know but some education and information along with the drugs will be necessary.

 

[doih]

I'm impressed. You managed to get Ph.D's in both oncology and condescension.

Human cells kill themselves all the time via apoptosis when they've reached their Hayflick's limit or if there's some other error. If researchers can find a way(and I know they're trying) to induce and localize apoptosis, the cancerous cells will essentially commit suicide. I'd certainly call that a "cure".

I admit that I posted that in a *****ebag manner, but I'm just really tired of people who make the kind of claims I'm mocking in that post.

If I recall correctly, you yourself are a scientist, right (do you dispute the parts of my post that you snipped from your quote)? I admit you probably know much more about this than I do, but all I'm saying is that the notion that there is some sort of Cabal which actively works to cover up cures for cancer (as 1 example) is ridiculous and is usually posited by people whose knowledge of science is slim to none.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I admit that I posted that in a *****ebag manner, but I'm just really tired of people who make the kind of claims I'm mocking in that post.

If I recall correctly, you yourself are a scientist, right (do you dispute the parts of my post that you snipped from your quote)? I admit you probably know much more about this than I do, but all I'm saying is that the notion that there is some sort of Cabal which actively works to cover up cures for cancer (as 1 example) is ridiculous and is usually posited by people whose knowledge of science is slim to none.

Yeah, I'm a microbiologist. I agreed with the parts I omitted. I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to the politics behind pharmaceutical companies but I think some people do need to lay down their torches and pitchforks. Sure, there's a heap of money to be made in everlasting treatment for diseases as opposed to a cure but are government arsonists setting fire to research labs if they get to close to a breakthrough? Sounds a tad ridiculous to me as well.

 

[SpideyVille]

zombie virus ftw

How else is the Zombie Apocalypse going to start.

 

[Timstuff]

Wait, if they cure Aids, then whatever will happen to /b/!?

...never mind.

 

[zanos]

If this research stands (and it may take time to see if the disease has truly been eliminated from the body), then it is without a doubt the biggest medical break through since the Polio vaccine.

I wouldn't get so excited, the procedure is much more likely to kill you than the HIV, lol. Some "cure," but I suppose it's a step in the right direction.