Steve Harvey crowns wrong Miss Universe

[terry78]

Think like a man. o

 

[DeadPresident]

An event as stupid as the pageants themselves.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

For a change, at least. I mean, the mistake was kinda awesome and the host did a good job explaining and showing that it was his mistake.

I actually like Miss USA's answer and I thought she would win and if not, first runner-up.

But when I listened to their answers again, it was Miss Philippines answer as the best answer.

 

[KevanG]

I've never watched any of them and never had any interest in doing so.

I heard they kicked out Trump though.

 

[Golgo-13]

Why aren't feminist all over this, and places like the Playboy mansion, etc? These events are obviously about a woman physical appearance....

 

[Pink Ranger]

Why aren't feminist all over this, and places like the Playboy mansion, etc? These events are obviously about a woman physical appearance....

Like it or not, these women are willingly joining these contests, and in many ways are using them to get financial and career opportunities that they wouldn't get otherwise.

Meanwhile, feminists are plenty busy with pay inequity in the developed world, the continuous attempts by religious fundamentalists to roll back reproductive rights, the trafficking of young women and girls, domestic violence at home and abroad, the oppression of women in developing nations, body shaming and other mental health issues propagated by the media and the impact of violent geopolitical conflict on women and children. But once all those issues are fixed, I think by September 2016, then I'm sure they'll turn their attention to beauty contests.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Can't remember the last time I watch a Miss World/Universe contest. Must've been like 10 or something.

 

[DeadPresident]

Beauty contests and pageants still reproduce the dysfunctional belief that superficial characteristics such as appearance grants what someone says or believes more legitimacy. The fact that women willingly participate makes it worse than some other forms of prejudice because they're actively reinforcing a hegemony that damages gender discourse.

It might not be as on the nose as rights violations and wage gaps, but that it exists is just as relevant. Not to mention these kinds of pageants started out being judged much in the same way as dog shows are judged, they should be discouraged on that basis alone.

 

[terry78]

I feel we're getting away from the real issue at hand here. Miss Colombia was obviously hotter.

 

[Duke]

I've not watched beauty pageants for the longest of times.

 

[chaseter]

Beauty contests and pageants still reproduce the dysfunctional belief that superficial characteristics such as appearance grants what someone says or believes more legitimacy. The fact that women willingly participate makes it worse than some other forms of prejudice because they're actively reinforcing a hegemony that damages gender discourse.

It might not be as on the nose as rights violations and wage gaps, but that it exists is just as relevant. Not to mention these kinds of pageants started out being judged much in the same way as dog shows are judged, they should be discouraged on that basis alone.

Are you comparing beauty contestants to dogs!? GET HIM.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Beauty contests and pageants still reproduce the dysfunctional belief that superficial characteristics such as appearance grants what someone says or believes more legitimacy. The fact that women willingly participate makes it worse than some other forms of prejudice because they're actively reinforcing a hegemony that damages gender discourse.

That's life, though. No matter what profession you're in, your appearance impacts how effective you appear to be at your job.

And it's not just for women either. At least for women, a cynic could argue the stereotypes balance themselves out: beautiful women get the attention, but at the same time are often stereotyped as being less intelligent. But tall, good-looking men in the professional world have the double advantage that they are perceived as more intelligent and better leaders: that's the real unfairness.

 

[Victarion]

Beauty contests and pageants still reproduce the dysfunctional belief that superficial characteristics such as appearance grants what someone says or believes more legitimacy. The fact that women willingly participate makes it worse than some other forms of prejudice because they're actively reinforcing a hegemony that damages gender discourse.

It might not be as on the nose as rights violations and wage gaps, but that it exists is just as relevant. Not to mention these kinds of pageants started out being judged much in the same way as dog shows are judged, they should be discouraged on that basis alone.

First - I know nothing about the feminist movement except that it promotes equality and empowers women to make their own decisions. So from my limited understanding, the bold seems like it stands in opposition to the movement. Correct me if I'm wrong, because as I've said, I know very little of it.

Based on what Pinky said, which sounds great, the movement's more concerned with things that're actually harmful.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Why is being attractive a negative trait? These women that enter these contests are very attractive, yes, but they are also intelligent and have a lot more going on than what they look like in a bikini.

Miss Universe should be very attractive, highly intelligent and have the compassion to volunteer and help the less fortunate. It's called the whole package.

Who doesn't want to be attractive? No one. That's who.

 

[jokesonm3]

 

[Lily Adler]

Why is being attractive a negative trait? These women that enter these contests are very attractive, yes, but MOST are also intelligent and have a lot more going on than what they look like in a bikini.

Miss Universe should be very attractive, highly intelligent and have the compassion to volunteer and help the less fortunate. It's called the whole package.

Who doesn't want to be attractive? No one. That's who.

Fixed.

 

[DeadPresident]

First - I know nothing about the feminist movement except that it promotes equality and empowers women to make their own decisions. So from my limited understanding, the bold seems like it stands in opposition to the movement. Correct me if I'm wrong, because as I've said, I know very little of it.

Based on what Pinky said, which sounds great, the movement's more concerned with things that're actually harmful.

You may very well have a point, but the concept of hegemonic discourse would suggest that the fact that it exists, whether people choose to participate in it or not, is inherently problematic.

 

[Victarion]

What's hegemonic discourse, and by what logic can one call their decision to exercise their freedom to participate or abstain problematic? Could you tailor your response to fit someone with a very, very, very superficial understanding of the concept?

Thank you in advance, DP.

edit: If it is too long to post here, shoot me a PM with some links to your resources. When I say superficial - I mean my exposure began with a couple of female colleagues that took some gender studies (which I assume would cover some of what you're talking about) and thought the classes were dumb and ends with Fury Road. So as you can see, I'm in the dark on the subject.

 

[DeadPresident]

What's hegemonic discourse, and by what logic can one call their decision to exercise their freedom to participate or abstain problematic? Could you tailor your response to fit someone with a very, very, very superficial understanding of the concept?

Thank you in advance, DP.

edit: If it is too long to post here, shoot me a PM with some links to your resources. When I say superficial - I mean my exposure began with a couple of female colleagues that took some gender studies (which I assume would cover some of what you're talking about) and thought the classes were dumb and ends with Fury Road. So as you can see, I'm in the dark on the subject.

No prob, I'll PM it in a little bit, on mobile at the moment.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

I was watching the football game last night but was channel surfing during a commercial or something and came across this right when Harvey was announcing his error.

What followed was pretty awkward. The Colombia woman who thought she had won but didn't, the Phillipine woman who lost but actually won. Harvey embarrassed for the first time in his life. It was all very surreal. No one knew what to do.

I kind of feel bad for Harvey because he just made a mistake by reading the card wrong. Now he is getting all kinds of racist tweets and stuff coming his way, at least according to a story I saw earlier (https://www.yahoo.com/music/racism-reared-ugly-head-missuniverse2015-044906576.html) (Most of them seemed to be coming from Latin America and Colombia in particular).

 

[Warhammer]

Miss Phillipines, Miss Colombia, and the pageant should thank Steve Harvey. His mistake created 10x the buzz this would have ever received. Nobody gives a flying f*** about Miss Universe but they will care about this year's. Miss Phillipines and especially Miss Colombia will receive more attention and publicity from this. The latter will milk this dry until she runs out of shame.

Belee dat.

 

[Breogan]

Agree these things are pretty stupid, and the idea of a "crown" is beyond absurd, had no idea this "event" even happened until the OP posted it.
Here's the apparent vid that came up.
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it's almost painful how stupid the whole thing is.

For a change, at least. I mean, the mistake was kinda awesome and the host did a good job explaining and showing that it was his mistake.

How did he "do a good job" of handling anything, did he take on the task of removing the absurd crown off one already "crowned" and weepy-eyed contestant, or did someone else have to do that awful task.

He was just like my bad, ... now you all deal with it.

He should have said you know what this is dumb, crown them both! ,..Or none.

 

[3dman27]

the mistake was human error on mr.Harvey's part and he owned up to it and made a public apology what more can be done

 

[Warhammer]

This was all a conspiracy. You think Steve Harvey would mess this up? He is a professional in his craft. Miss Universe was s*** even before Trump lost the show and now, they have all the publicity in the world. And it's a damn shame that all these people on social media are showing their true colors. Some hateful speech and borderline racism. It makes me f***ing sick.

 

[chaseter]

He apologized over Twitter to Ms Philippians lol.