suicide

[SLVRSR4]

This is something that i've been thinking about a lot recently. Do you know someone who has completed suicide. What are reasons for and against suicide?

Is suicide ever a valid option? ie. cancer

Have you ever thought of committing suicide.

This thread is not for the depressed

 

[Majic Walrus]

I think everyone has thought about committing suicide at least once, even in passing. Come on... We're all geeks and we were probably geeks in High School. Emo wasn't "in" back then for some of us but we still got depressed and thought, "I'll just end it!" Fortunately we didn't.

Suicide serves only one puprose. Ending your life. If someone is in an emotional and psychological state capable of making that extraordinary decision... They should think twice. They are probably not. Maybe you're taking yourself to seriously.

As far as euthanasia for the terminally ill. Again, if you think you're ready to end your life... Think twice. However if you're suffering from physical pain that is absolutely unavoidable and you're a well adjusted adult with your affairs in order. You should be able to take your own life if that's what you want. However I would always rather go out fighting choking and grasping for every last breath than to clock out before the end of the movie.

I did have a friend who committed suicide but his was an accidental suicide due to a drug problem and a game of russian roulette. He won... or lost. I'm not sure what the object of the game is, but he's dead now.

 

[Eggyman]

I'm in too much of a good mood to be in this thread at the moment.

 

[knowsbleed]

In most cases, the permanent solution to a temporary problem.

In rare situations where someone's life is at the point of no return... I could see how it would be a valid choice.

Have you ever seen the end of the movie The Mist. What a messed up ending...

 

[SLVRSR4]

I've always believed that some people are too narcissitic (bad spelling)
to fathom suicide, but that is just me.

I've contemplated suicide often, but know that I value my life, family, friends, health, and various other things to take it too seriously. I've just been reading a little Camus.

What appeals to me about suicide is the finality of something that seems so simple and the release from problems.

On another note i hear suicide as being the cowards way out but at the same time hear people who say they are too cowardly to kill themselves. It's confusing standard for what cowardice is.

 

[Majic Walrus]

In most cases, the permanent solution to a temporary problem.

In rare situations where someone's life is at the point of no return... I could see how it would be a valid choice.

Have you ever seen the end of the movie The Mist. What a messed up ending...

True that. I cried.

I've always believed that some people are too narcissitic (bad spelling)
to fathom suicide, but that is just me.

I've contemplated suicide often, but know that I value my life, family, friends, health, and various other things to take it too seriously. I've just been reading a little Camus.

Albert Camus, does a body good.

What appeals to me about suicide is the finality of something that seems so simple and the release from problems.

On another note i hear suicide as being the cowards way out but at the same time hear people who say they are too cowardly to kill themselves. It's confusing standard for what cowardice is.

Imagine the movie 300 if no one faught. There's a certain romantic idea about staring into the absurd universe and saying, "**** you! I'm not going down without a fight!"

 

[NotAHenchwench]

Suicide is never an easy subject, and I hesitated before responding, but I figure an opinion is an opinion, you know?

My personal belief is that there is always another way out of things. Ending your life isn't just about you. Unless you're a hermit living under a rock way out in the middle of nowhere, your suicide will affect EVERYONE around you. Don't think that you're completely alone, you're not. It's never, ever, just about ending your life. How will your suicide affect the people around you, people who love you, even if you don't know it?

What about the cleanup? Who is going to do that? I don't know if you're familiar, but there is no 'clean-up' service for crime scenes [Homicide, suicide, you name it]. So, more often than not, the family members get the happy job of cleaning everything up. This can range from cleaning blood off the floor to taking down the noose from the tree. What about them? Who are you leaving behind? How would you like your loved one to have to wade knee-deep in your blood after having just lost you...

Unfortunately, the majority of people who actually do commit suicide show very subtle signs that they're thinking about it until it's too late. The majority of people who do commit suicide are men, and they hardly show signs until you look back after they're gone and see those tiny signs. This might sound mean, but most people who attempt suicide [unless they're caught at the right moment, which rarely happens] aren't actually thinking to go through with it. If they wanted to be dead, they'd be dead. Their attempts are a cry for help, which sometimes go unheeded.

You can probably tell by now that I've lived through this, more than once in my life. It's something I'm very passionate about. So, I'm biased against it. That being said, there is always help out there if anyone is thinking of suicide.

Since that very important person in my life chose to end it, I've always lived my life to the very fullest. I will always choose to keep going, no matter how bad things get. I could be diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow and I'd still choose to do everything in my power to keep my life going. What that person did changed my life forever. I lost what little childhood I had and had to grow up fast. Granted, I wouldn't be who I am today without what I went through, but I'm not thanking his suicide for my wonderful life. *I* made my life wonderful in spite of things, and even now, seven years later, I'm still mad as hell at him for what he did. But that shouldn't suggest that I love him dearly and wish that he'd have chosen a different path.

I apologize if this is all over the place. It's a topic that's near and dear to my heart, and I'll say this now: If you need someone to talk to, don't hesitate to drop me a PM or an IM. I don't care who you are, I'll always have time to talk to someone who needs it.

 

[SLVRSR4]

True that. I cried.



Albert Camus, does a body good.



Imagine the movie 300 if no one faught. There's a certain romantic idea about staring into the absurd universe and saying, "**** you! I'm not going down without a fight!"

I love how he tosses nihilism and suicide aside and delves into revolt.

I don't know how to quote multiple people but i didn't know that the family is left to clean up the mess in situations around the home. I always assumed there was some sort of clean up crew.

 

[NotAHenchwench]

I don't know how to quote multiple people but i didn't know that the family is left to clean up the mess in situations around the home. I always assumed there was some sort of clean up crew.

In some of the bigger cities there is a separate company that will clean up the mess for a fee... but that's a pretty new trend that's only started in the past five or six years. And it is treated as a crime scene until the authorities rule out homicide, which in some cases can take more than a couple days. Imagine having to clean it up after the funeral is over?

 

[Eggyman]

Ok, you spoilt my mood. ******.

I think it's down to the person. I'm not on this planet to judge. If someone wants to...

• kill themselves
• shoot smack into their eyes
• have sex with park benches
• cut themselves
• get ribs removed to give themselves oral
• flog themselves by candlelight
• create depressing threads
• yawn in court

...then that's their business.

I know some of those actions have negative effects on others, but pretty much everything does. We are all connected in some strange way, emotive or otherwise. But if a person wants to die then let them. They should gtfo and make room for someone who values their sh**.

 

[NotAHenchwench]

Well, that's the glory of free will, I suppose. People are going to do what they want, no matter the outcome.

 

[ComicChick]

First off I will post this;

www.afsp.org
The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

Sign up for newletters, emails, etc. They have lots of informative reaearch and studies and results as well as first hand stories. I get things in the mail from them periodically from when I participated in a local walk/fundraiser. ( We raised 400+ just from my group) and they do them in different parts of the country.

 

[Hotwire]

This is a subjeccan speak on. At one point in my life, when I was a young teenager, things were bad, very bad, at least in my eyes. I was incredibly depressed, felt I had nothing to live for. I had written my suicide note, I had the kinfe to my wrist. I was crying and almost ready to do it, but I couldn't. I just couldn't do it. I put the knife away, threw out the note, and went for a walk to calm down.

Later, my mother found the note I had written. She sat me down for a long talk and I began to see that my problems weren't all that bad, and were certainly not worth killing myself over.

I've since learned that clinical depression runs very heavily in my family. My mother takes meds for it, and her mother should have. My brother takes meds for it and has had intense thoughts of suicide. And my mother's aunt did kill herself.

Looking back on the whole incident, I have to agree with Knowsbleed, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and is a very selfish thing to do.

Recomend this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io1WSolwlcw

 

[Majic Walrus]

I love how he tosses nihilism and suicide aside and delves into revolt.

It's good stuff.

I don't know how to quote multiple people

Press the plus button next to the quote button for each post you wish to quote.

 

[ComicChick]

I do not have any intention of starting any arguments and anything I say should be taken as generalized and not directed at anyone

Its easy to make objective, even humorous remarks towards or about suicide, until it affects you. At least I can say that about myself. In horribly boring/miserable situations I really couldn't get out of, I've locked eyes with a friend sharing my sentiment, made the gun gesture and brought it to my temple. I'm sure we all have a some poitn, or even some sort of variance on that. I do not do that anymore and haven't in about 4 years.

My nephew killed himself Nov 2005, two months shy of 18. I can honestly say I'm not the same person since then. I remember hearing/reading a quote that said something like 'life is made of a couple of days that change your life'. There's no doubt in my mind that was one of those days for me.

Its easier to talk about now but he essentially took a rifle to the his head and ... Not a gun, but a rifle. So I don't need to, nor will I go into the details of the gore but you can imagine.
My sister was there. He was her oldest son and she tried to stop him. I got there 30 minutes later. I can't imagine the images she has haunting her in her mind. She still has flashbacks, can still smell the blood, etc. She's gotten therapy and that has really helped her.
She talks to others who have gone through it and other things. And also to bring a positive from this misery, he was an organ donor and his organs helped save the lives of 3 or 4 people, including a third degree burn victim and a person desperately needing a heart transplant. His organs also helped many others. And like I said, its about the only positive that you can get from this tragedy.

We had crime scene clean up here fortunately because I don't think any of us wouldve been able to handle it. It happened on the side of a white house and needless to say the side wall was no longer white. I can still see my sister clear as day in a black sweatshirt and black jogging pants. Her clothes were so tinted red that they looked maroon. And worst of all, they wouldn't let us come near her until they ruled out homicide. I can still hear her crying for our mom

That was four years ago almost. It devastated our family, friends, his friends. The person is no longer with us and all that's left are hurt feelings, unanswered questions, guilt, uncertainty. Like someone said, its a permanent solution to a temporary problem (most of the time) and when you're gone. Everyone in you life has to pick up the pieces of what was left behind.

Drugs and alcohol were a factor. I believe if it weren't for that, hed be alive today. He wasn't depressed and was one of the biggest lovers of life I knew. it completely shocked us all.
I should also note that our family has a history of depression, alcoholism and I do know others who have or have tried to commit suicide, but I don't need to share them all. At least until I see how this discussion evolves

 

[NotAHenchwench]

I do not have any intention of starting any arguments and anything I say should be taken as generalized and not directed at anyone

Its easy to make objective, even humorous remarks towards or about suicide, until it affects you. At least I can say that about myself. In horribly boring/miserable situations I really couldn't get out of, I've locked eyes with a friend sharing my sentiment, made the gun gesture and brought it to my temple. I'm sure we all have a some poitn, or even some sort of variance on that. I do not do that anymore and haven't in about 4 years.

I'm really sorry for your loss. It may have been a while since it happened, but I understand the pain.

I, also, never do those gestures anymore. I'm very careful not to say something like "I wanted to kill myself because it was so boring" etc. etc. It makes me a little sad when people do it, but I don't say anything, because not everyone has gone through what I have, and in a way I'm happy they haven't. No one should go through this ever in their lifetime.

 

[ComicChick]

I'm really sorry for your loss. It may have been a while since it happened, but I understand the pain.

I, also, never do those gestures anymore. I'm very careful not to say something like "I wanted to kill myself because it was so boring" etc. etc. It makes me a little sad when people do it, but I don't say anything, because not everyone has gone through what I have, and in a way I'm happy they haven't. No one should go through this ever in their lifetime.

I also don't make remarks like that anymore and I dunno if other people who've dealt with suicide personally experience this, but when I see someone make the gun gesture or a comment about killing themself or the like, I feel like an inward cringe a bit. I can't really explain it any other way.

I don't comment on it or attack the person for it, but I don't joke along with it either. I just move past it.

And like you said I don't wish going through any of the things I've dealt with on anyone

 

[NotAHenchwench]

I also don't make remarks like that anymore and I dunno if other people who've dealt with suicide personally experience this, but when I see someone make the gun gesture or a comment about killing themself or the like, I feel like an inward cringe a bit. I can't really explain it any other way.

I don't comment on it or attack the person for it, but I don't joke along with it either. I just move past it.

And like you said I don't wish going through any of the things I've dealt with on anyone

I do cringe a little. I've learned not to show it and let people think what they want, but it wasn't easy.

Yeah, I hear you. I just get really quiet. A couple of times people ask why I didn't laugh, and I just say it isn't my type of humor.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I consider myself agnostic but the idea that suicide is a cardinal sin has always stuck with me since catholic school. I probably subconsciously keep that belief out of all the other christian beliefs to keep me from hurting myself on a really bad day.

So basically I kept the belief that if you kill yourself or others you'll end up in hell for eternity. I've conditioned my brain so strongly that I've never even considered suicide as an option. But there's part of me that believes God wouldn't punish someone for taking their own life. Especially for an eternity.

I hope hell doesn't exist. And if it does I hope there are no suicide victims there who were decent people otherwise.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I think everyone has thought about committing suicide at least once, even in passing. Come on... We're all geeks and we were probably geeks in High School. Emo wasn't "in" back then for some of us but we still got depressed and thought, "I'll just end it!" Fortunately we didn't.

Nope. Never.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I have experienced it through somebody I knew very well. I had just spent time with him on a Monday before flying off and hearing on a Wednesday he shot himself. It is not an easy subject and something which becomes very subjective for each person but as people have stated it is the most permanent solution of what is generally a temprary problem.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Nope. Never.

That really is surprising to me. I've never seriously considered it as an option, but I used to often think of just giving up and killing myself.

Never?

 

[OctaviusINC]

I usually would want to kill everyone else BUT myself. But then again I'm a blaze of glory kind of guy.

But in all seriousness, I can somewhat understand why some people may want to commit suicide.People can be very hurtful and cruel. But I don't believe it's justified. What's killing yourself going to do? I always had the outlook that if you want to commit suicide you're weak. You can't even handle your own problems.

But then about a year ago my 18 year old cousin tried to kill herself. I have a small family, so we grew up together and are very close. I was baffled by this. She's smart. She's pretty. She has a family willing to help her and love her. Turns out she was going out with this control freak boyfriend (it was her 1st boyfriend) who was a complete *******. Her father hated him and told her she can't see him again. Her boyfriend always belittles her. But she still always comes back.

So one night she just snapped and took a crap load of pills while driving. Not only did it piss me off that she attempted suicide, but she was DRIVING. Who knows who else she could've killed! Luckily the cops got her in time and she went to a rehab clinic. I went to she her asap and helped her through these tough times. So now she's much better. She's starting college next week and has a new really cool and respectful boyfriend. So, it showed me you could obviously rebound and life could always get much better.

But, I don't know, even after all this, the actual reasons for suicide are just weak and stupid. And I believe it's a cowards way out. Man up, sunshine. I wish I could see things another way.

 

[NotAHenchwench]

I don't find that hard to believe really. Even before I went though what I did, I can't say I thought specifically about suicide, just what the world would be like if I never existed. I didn't understand suicide really.

Edit; I was referring to Walrus' post.

 

[Raiden]

I remember that when I was in HS, I had a class where the teacher paired us up for debates, and I was assigned to a group with the topic on euthanasia. I was tasked to argue in favor of it, so I can definitely see the reason why some people would do it, but I think it's really only justified if you are terminally illed, substained only by tons of medicines and life-support system, and it's unbearable to live through the pain everyday. In most cases, committing suicide is just a cheap way out, and it'll end up hurting one's family and loved ones psychologically and emotionally.