Superman VS the Hulk

[Nylen]

SUPERMAn did win in the 1996 DC//Marvel Crossover, due to his heatvision which in it's turn weakened the HuLk, making him gettin' all whuupe'd N **** like Zzat ((= That ))

 

[X]

He beat The Professor, and even then he barely beat him... as he said, he wasnt holding back. And, he also said... "He took everything I had and almost took it". If thats how Superman fared against the Professor, I think The Savage Hulk stands a very, very good chance against Supes...

 

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Mr. X
One panel?

He flew off with him, then The Hulk started to think, and so on... It was more then one panel...

No, it was one panel amounting to around 2 or 3 seconds of time. While hulk was thinking he was already in the upper atmosphere

The Gladiator could of done the same thing, heat vision The hulk on the way up, but he didnt. I dont think that would go through Supes mind in that span of time when he's trying to carry a raging 1,200 pound monster into space...

Poor argument considering that I (not considered by many as the greatest hero of all time Superman ) thought of doing it.

And if The Hulk started choking Superman, he would start feeling it... The only reason he can breath in space and such is because his bio matrix force field acts like a life support system, and enraged Hulk choking him would probably affect him...

Choking is the act of restricting oxygen by squeezing the neck, supes doesn't have to breathe for hours so choking will do nothing. We are talking about roughly a 5 second window of time here

If not, The Hulk would just thunderclap him and punch in the face...

Assuming he could get off in time which he wouldn't if superman heat visioned him in the face from that close range on the way up.

 

[gl_summers]

Originally posted by XFanTim
I don't think so. Basically, if I understand correctly, you're suggesting the Hulk could propel himself by recoil forces. I.e. when you punch really hard your muscle's exert a very great force on the bones in your arm, so your arm also exerts a great force on your muscles, causing a recoil. However, the net force experienced by the Hulk from this interaction would include both the force of his muscle's on his arm and the equal and opposite force of his arm on his muscles, so the total force would be zero! This is why a bodies acceleration times it's mass is equal to the (vector) sum of all *external* forces acting on the body. Internal forces naturally cancel eachother out.

Perhaps you're not suggesting he'd propel himself by recoil forces at all, but rather the opposite. Namely that he can punch so hard that his whole body gets essentially dragged along behind his fist. Your mention of "inertia" makes me think you might have actually meant this. In any case, it's still not true, because you're neglecting the "recoil forces" I just mentioned. Unless the Hulk has something to push or pull against, he can't cause himself to experience a net force.

Of course, lot's of other physically impossible things happen in comics all the time, so maybe he could do it.

Sure i already explained this......although i agree with everything XFAN has said here. punching kicking etc. will achieve nothing. however, there are a few things he could do.....
1) Tear off a body part and throw it away from himself. He would move in the opposite direction, the speed depending on the difference in mass between the remaining body and the piece thrown off and also the speed he throws the arm at .
2) Breath out his remaining oxygen, with his resulting speed in the opposite direction depending on his body's remaining mass (minus the oxygen) the mass of the remaining oxygen and the speed at which he breaths out. i.e. not likely to be very high, could take a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggggggg time to get home.....

Bear in mind once he starts moving in one direction he will not stop unless another force acts upon him; he will continue to move at a constant velocity. So if he HAPPENS to be moving in the right direction (which would take some bloody good trig and awareness of the location of your position in relation to where you are going..) he will get to his destination........ EVENTUALLY!!!

 

[gl_summers]

Originally posted by ohwattagosiam
Yep, it sure does. However, I'm not entirely sure whether space is a vacuum. I think it does have oxygen in it, it's just that we don't have the (lung) strength to breathe it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading about it in a common misconceptions type article. Also, quashed the thing about the moon having no gravity, when in fact it's just 6.5 times less than our own (i.e. say you can only jump 5 feet up in the air on Earth, then on the Moon you should be able to jump around 30 feet up).

Space is a near perfect vacuum. There are very very few particles of anything. i forget the figure, but the number of particles per, say, 10,000 km^3 is negligable. So scratch that idea!
AS for the gravity issue.......... any two objects have a force of gravity between them. so if you are on the moon, there is a force of gravity pulling it toward you and you toward it. same as earth. only since the moon has a far smaller mass than the earth, the force of gravity is less. There is even a force of gravity between yourself and someone next to you. The force is very very very very small (a very large mass ius required for any significant force...)

Also the force decrease very quickly as the distance between the two objects increase......it is a inverse square relationship, i.e if you double the distance between the two objects, the force of gravity is 1/4th, if you triple the distance the force of gravity is 1/9th, a thousand times the distance means one millionth of the force and so forth.......
Damn all this physics is hurting my brain.

 

[DBM]

Originally posted by gl_summers
Bear in mind once he starts moving in one direction he will not stop unless another force acts upon him; he will continue to move at a constant velocity. So if he HAPPENS to be moving in the right direction (which would take some bloody good trig and awareness of the location of your position in relation to where you are going..) he will get to his destination........ EVENTUALLY!!!

I would imagine that Banner could handle the trig without problem.

 

[gl_summers]

hmmmmm..........i guess on paper. if he knew his exact location. and the exact location of the earth. to be honest, the actual maths wouldn't be that hard, banner would find it very easy i am sure....it is more the knowledge of his position and the position of the earth........the further away he is, the smaller the margin of error he will have....just a few degrees off and he'd miss by a mile.....

 

[DevilHulk]

hulk wins, Superman loses badly.

 

[superlurker]

Superman wins.

 

[Thy Noble One]

Superman takes the victory.And why in the world are you reopening year old threads DevilHulk?

 

[Dr.Fear]

It doesn't allways come done to who can bench press the most...eventhough that would be close.

it also comes down to things like gee I don't know, Hulk can't see him. heat vision to the retina. thousands of punches to the face and rib cage by someone about as strong as you are and never gets tired(all in one second) but you see the fight goes on longer than one second doesn't it.

Super scream into the eardrum. hulk can do the same wth his voice and hands

heat vision assult from an unreachable altitude. yeah thatll hurt the hulk

freeze breath to the heart and brain to slow him down. how the **** is superman gonna do that, make heulk breath in his breath?

come on.

in all fairness though, he, for some reason couldn't do that to doomsday.

the real fight is indeed between Doomsday and Hulk.

 

[FlavWhite]

Simple as this....Superman may have all the flight stuff and heat vision, but if you're gonna go punch for punch, blow for blow with the hulk, Supes looses and looses BADLY!!! Remember what happened to him battling Doomsday? Worse here. Superman, as it was shown, has a limit to his strength. He even said that "just punching Doomsday hurts". History lesson: the Hulk has no limit to his strength. The longer it goes, the stronger he gets which means he could fight for weeks and when he stopped to eat, he'll be eating Superman's carcass!

 

[BrianWilly]

How long can he last in the sun?

Hell, how long can he last in space? Hulk has to breathe. Superman doesn't.

For the win.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I think Superman would win,but it would be the fight of his life.Even more so than Doomsday,the Hulk gets stronger as he gets angerier.Superman will always have a level head in battle,this will go to Clark`s advantage.

 

[juggster-rules]

HULKSTER WINS !

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Simple as this....Superman may have all the flight stuff and heat vision, but if you're gonna go punch for punch, blow for blow with the hulk, Supes looses and looses BADLY!!! Remember what happened to him battling Doomsday? Worse here. Superman, as it was shown, has a limit to his strength. He even said that "just punching Doomsday hurts". History lesson: the Hulk has no limit to his strength. The longer it goes, the stronger he gets which means he could fight for weeks and when he stopped to eat, he'll be eating Superman's carcass!

I hate it when people compare Doomsday to Hulk because there are way to many flaws in this argument! First off Doomsday starts off on a Strength level above Superman(and WAY above Hulk)so thats one thing. Two Since Doomsday is Kryptonian He gets infinite stamina from constant nurishment from the Suns rays and Kryptonians can bypass other Kryptonians bioelectric aura's so Supes was taking double punisment since his durability was practically cut in half against Doomsday.

History Lesson:Superman starts off on a level FAR above Hulks starting level (example:Supes is easily in the billion ton range while Hulk had trouble merely bracing that Mountain in Secret Wars and Hulk was quite enraged at the time.) and it would take Hulk quite sometime before he even reaching a level where he could even do damage to Supes(Like I said before Superman shrugged off blows from Pre-crisis powered superboy Prime).

 

[Zeu]

People often forget that Superman´s base strenght is thousands of tons above Hulk´s base strenght.

Superman helped shift earth from its orbit!

Hulk would have to get royally pissed and I mean "you-raped-killed-and-ate-my-Betty-and -stuffed-the-.rest-inside-of-a-refrigerato!" mad to reach Superman´s power level and by that time he would be floating somewhere in Jupiter´s orbit.

 

[BrianWilly]

Exactment.

 

[Sloth7d]

People often forget that Superman´s base strenght is thousands of tons above Hulk´s base strenght.

Superman helped shift earth from its orbit!

Hulk would have to get royally pissed and I mean "you-raped-killed-and-ate-my-Betty-and -stuffed-the-.rest-inside-of-a-refrigerato!" mad to reach Superman´s power level and by that time he would be floating somewhere in Jupiter´s orbit.

Yeah, way I figure it, this fight would be over before he gets angry enough to do something about it.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

If I remember my physics right then F=m(v squared) which would mean that if Supermans punches traveled at 1000x the speed of the Hulks then they would hit 1,000,000x as hard. 10,000x as fast would in fact seem quite reasonable.

 

[The Leaguer]

F = ma.

a is acceleration, which is meters-per-seconds-squared, not "v squared." If you want to relate velocity to acceleration, velocity is the derivative of acceleration.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Allright, after 30 years I chose the wrong formula and misremembered it. The formula I wanted is Kinetic Energy= 1/2 m (v squared) so 1000x as fast hits only 500,000x as hard.

 

[BrianWilly]

E = MC Hammer?

 

[The Leaguer]

Allright, after 30 years I chose the wrong formula and misremembered it. The formula I wanted is Kinetic Energy= 1/2 m (v squared) so 1000x as fast hits only 500,000x as hard.

You've got the formula right, but you're measuring the wrong thing. Kinetic energy doesn't measure how hard something hits something else. What you're thinking of is force.

 

[US Agent]

First off let's clear this up real quick. Don't even use the Marvel Vs. Dc crossover because the outcomes of those fights were voted on by fans. we all know supes has more fans than Hulk. So there you go. Just like Wolverine Vs. Lobo, Lobo would kill logan! But wolvie has more fans! Same with Superboy Vs. Spidey, superboy would hand spidey his arse! Okay, I'm tired of people useing the "heat vision would fry Hulk, or whatever" Human Torche's supernova is stronger than supes heat vision and Hulk withsood that with no harm! and still had time to kick the F4's butts! The argument that states supes has a limit is the basis on which Hulk would win. He has no limit to his endurance, stamina, or strength when he's pissed. it has already been established that this (as far as comics are concerned) is fact. Hulk would kill Doomsday, the reason I say that is because each time doomsday dies and comes back, Hulk's strength would increase and Doomsady would have to adjust to that particular level. And as I said before he has no limit to where his level is. I'm not going to mention the Secret Wars "mountain" incident because I personally feel (and I am a Hulk fan, NOT a "fanboy") that it HAS benn established that he didn't pick that mountain up, he was bracing it, but his level of strength is greater than Supes. Oh and if you bring that Marvel Vs. Dc stuff up, since I have all of your attention (because this is a DC forum) why was Supes able to beat Juggy so easy? Juggy would KILL Supes worse tha Hulk or Doomsday! His powers are magic based, and we all know that Supes is allergic to magic almost as much as he is to kryptonite. So, that right there prooves again that the crossover was GARBAGE! Hulk would win in a close fight, ask Gladiator (marvel's equivolent to "big blue") he blew a hole through Hulk's chest and Hulk (in a matter of seconds) was completely healed. Oh and that's something else, Supes doesn't heal Hulk does! HULK FTW!