Stan The Man Lee' s opinion about Hulk vs Superman

[TheCorpulent1]

He does seem to have stopped aging, hasn't he? He looks basically the same as he did in the '80s to me... creepy.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Not to mention he's in loadsa marvel superhero films, I think HE actually does the heroics, but so fast it looks like it's the other hero's are doing it!

 

[LegendGambit]

Well, in the wake of the last Peter David arc on the Hulk, it may not be that simple anymore. David showed that the Hulk's healing factor extends to growing new organs on the fly if necessary. Lame, yes, but canon nonetheless.

You know reading that makes me not like the Hulk at all ugh....or at least certain parts of his powers I mean come on this guys almost as bad as Lobo.

 

[Still A ThorFan]

these arguments are pretty lame, but imo supes could just toss hulk into space

his strength won't help him fly back to earth

WORD UP! END OF DISCUSSION!

(By the way I hate Superman, but I can't disagree with this statement.)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You know reading that makes me not like the Hulk at all ugh....or at least certain parts of his powers I mean come on this guys almost as bad as Lobo.

Yeah, I didn't like it much either. It makes sense, I guess, but it pushes the Hulk a little too far into the unkillable badass zone (that's IBZ for short). I mean, really, who do they think the Hulk is, Wolverine?

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, I didn't like it much either. It makes sense, I guess, but it pushes the Hulk a little too far into the unkillable badass zone (that's IBZ for short). I mean, really, who do they think the Hulk is, Wolverine?

Maybe he is! After all, Logan is able to be on multiple teams at once. What if he's actually moonlighting as the Hulk on top of it all.

 

[ssj wolverine]

Superman flies the hulk into deep space where he dies of lack of oxygen.

But since he won't do that, Hulk wins.

That's right Hulk you are my beeyootch!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he is! After all, Logan is able to be on multiple teams at once. What if he's actually moonlighting as the Hulk on top of it all.

Trippy.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

It's all starting to make sense. The whole gamma ray/Bruce Banner thing has been just one huge cover up. It's been Wolverine all along.

Which makes it even stranger when the Hulk (really Wolverine) has teamed up/fought Logan in the past. I wonder how Wolvie pulled those little meetings off? Trick mirrors maybe?

 

[Fading]

Yeah, I didn't like it much either. It makes sense, I guess, but it pushes the Hulk a little too far into the unkillable badass zone (that's IBZ for short). I mean, really, who do they think the Hulk is, Wolverine?

Lol, only thing is I think it's going to be explained that Wolverine did that with the MGH, so he'll be back to his old healing factor. Hulk's still going to have his .

 

[Fading]

Wow...I really overestimate people's intelligence sometimes.


Anyway for the benefit of those who can't see the obvious, why speculate on a fight that's already happened three times already when you can just go and read what actually happened?

See I thought no one counted any of those Marvel vs. DC as cannon, only thing I think is concidered as that is the Avengers vs. JLA, and even then only in DC.

The Marvel vs. DC was a popularity contest pure and simple, the outcomes were decided by votes and could have had something like Silver Surfer being beat by Lois Lane if Lois got enough votes.

The other Hulk vs. Superman fights weren't considered cannon, and neither was the Batman vs. Hulk. They were simply alternate fights for reading pleasure not comic history IMO, and don't think Marvel or DC count them. I mean right now I could draw a comic of Hulk bashing Supes head in, but it wouldn't count as cannon. It may have been actual comic artists who drew it, but it holds about as much water as a What IF continuity wise.

Thing is I see what Stan's saying. The way he designed Hulk was to get stronger, more durable, and heal better as the fight went on. He's saying that the way he created the Hulk was if he fought Supes, that Hulk would take a beating but as it went on Hulk would get stronger, while Superman would slowly run out of steam. Thing is tho that it's not written by Stan, if it still was I'd agree Hulk should win. As it stands now tho Superman is just crazy strong, and with super speed he can land 100 blows before Hulk can blink if he went full out. Don't get me wrong, honestly I'd like to see Hulk beat Superman, but I also realise that Superman is just one of those characters made to be unbeatable as boring as that gets. Hulk on the other hand while made that way has gotten knocked out in the past before he can get to that unbeatable lvl, if Hulk was fully enraged he'd prob hand Supes his ass, but could he get to that before Supes handed Hulk his is the question.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's all starting to make sense. The whole gamma ray/Bruce Banner thing has been just one huge cover up. It's been Wolverine all along.

Which makes it even stranger when the Hulk (really Wolverine) has teamed up/fought Logan in the past. I wonder how Wolvie pulled those little meetings off? Trick mirrors maybe?

Nah, dude, they're all in his head. The Hulk's ****ed up mind is really just Wolverine's multiple personality disorder at work. The reactions those fights get from everyone else are really just everyone else humoring Wolverine so he doesn't try to kill them.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Nah, dude, they're all in his head. The Hulk's ****ed up mind is really just Wolverine's multiple personality disorder at work. The reactions those fights get from everyone else are really just everyone else humoring Wolverine so he doesn't try to kill them.

Actually it's done with multiple networked image inducers.

 

[Docker2.0]

He does seem to have stopped aging, hasn't he? He looks basically the same as he did in the '80s to me... creepy.

Man that is so true! That explain why Marvel character don't age, cuase their creator doesn't. He must have drank the infinity formula.

 

[Arach Knight]

1)Ockham and Ahura Mazda, both of you responded (even if Mazda did so indirectly) to my statements, yet both of you failed to realize the sentence that followed what you selectively quoted. I already said that The Flash would destroy his body, by punching dense surfaces, even if he can pierce through them. For some reason, you just neglected to acknowledge that.

2)Docker...gas would work on pretty much any creature that has to breath O2 (oxygen). Unless you don't have to breath (Silver Surfer, Colossus etc), gas can affect you. Even Superman could be affected by gas (he can hold his breath for great periods of time, but he still needs oxygen). Hulk posesses no power, that would negate his susceptability to gas.

3)StillaThorfan...it's already been done before. Hulk's been thrown into space. He survived, he made it back. Yes he does have to breath, but he can still hold his breath for a decent amount of time. Cosmic Spidey did the deed back in the early 90's. So unless Superman hurled Hulk into the sun...it isn't going to work.

4)I agree that Stan Lee doesn't seem to age much physically. From the 80's till now, he has pretty much looked, sounded and acted the same, with no noticable drop in awareness and other forms of cognition. He's in good shape.

 

[Fading]

I'm still borderlined on the gas thing tho simply because he's fought out of it before and more recently in a Hulk vs. X-Men comic. Where the X-Men lured him into the Danger Room tricking him making him think that he escaped then filled the place with sleeping gas, Hulk started to go to sleep then instince kicked in and he got ticked and woke up. Basically Hulk is living rage, and anger and rage tend to generate adrenaline which can do wonders for keeping one awake which is why probably why he has been shown to fight for long periods of time without slowing down. Not to count like you said above, Hulk can hold his breath for a very long time, he could simply hold his breath til the gas dissapated.

One thing tho about the Flash not being messed up when he punches super speed, is that while that can possibly be explained, it doesn't explain how Spiderman does it lol. Always bugged me since a bullet can kill him, meaning he's roughly a normal human in durability, only slightly higher as even lower lvls of invunlerability bounce bullets back. Yet the guy punches with 15-25 tons strength (wherever he is after his evolutions) against guys like Hulk who can bounce bullets off their bodies and then some, coupled with some incredible speed of his own. Sry for further derailment lol, just always kinda nagged at the back of my mind, but there's always suspension of belief so I can ignore it and the Flash thing .

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Spideys bones have to be a lot stronger than human to stand up to the stress of using super strong muscles. If they weren't he would break his own bones every time he flexes his muscles. Punching, where the force is absorbed by the bones longitudinally they would be able to withstand even greater force.

 

[LegendGambit]

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050629045151

All the info you need on the Flash. Its stats that the aura that surrounds his body makes it so if he's moving at top speeds and he hits something like a wall the aura prevents him from going all splat like. So using that theory if he's punching something at around the same speeds that same aura makes it so his hands don't you know break off. So really this explains alot about his powers and how he doesn't explode when running at lightspeeds, and why if he should happen to punch someone like say the Hulk he doesn't break every bone in his hand. Though again he doesn't even have to punch the Hulk.

 

[Fading]

Spideys bones have to be a lot stronger than human to stand up to the stress of using super strong muscles. If they weren't he would break his own bones every time he flexes his muscles. Punching, where the force is absorbed by the bones longitudinally they would be able to withstand even greater force.

Guess that makes sense and I'll take it. It's just even at that, when Wolverine had bone claws, they were stated to be far far more dense than normal bones, and he broke his twice, once fighting Cyber who has adamantium skin, and second against Galactus trying to destroy his device. So I'm guessing Spiderman's bones would have to be far far more dense than Wolverine's were when he had bone claws since Wolverine's even broke easy against various metals.

 

[Arach Knight]

I have to actually renege my statments about Superman. I just had a flashback to that scene in Death of a Family, when Joker released that gas at the UN meeting. Superman sucked it into his lungs and dispersed it into the upper stratosphere. So that pretty much negates my earlier thought, which pretty much forces me to retract my statements about gas being effective on the hulk. It could be argued that Hulk is human, and thus still vulnerable to gas, while Superman may only require certain elements in oxygen, to breath, given his Kryptonian physiology. But considering that we don't know how Superman works in regards to his Kryptonian genetics, we're going to have to assume that he is like other carbon based life forms. So, in fairness, i'll have to scrub the idea that gas works on the Hulk, effectively.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

1)Ockham and Ahura Mazda, both of you responded (even if Mazda did so indirectly) to my statements, yet both of you failed to realize the sentence that followed what you selectively quoted. I already said that The Flash would destroy his body, by punching dense surfaces, even if he can pierce through them. For some reason, you just neglected to acknowledge that.

Sorry, Arach Knight...mea culpa as I did not read diligently your full post. I guess I was just agreeing with you then.

 

[Sloth7d]

Spideys bones have to be a lot stronger than human to stand up to the stress of using super strong muscles. If they weren't he would break his own bones every time he flexes his muscles. Punching, where the force is absorbed by the bones longitudinally they would be able to withstand even greater force.

I wish somebody at marvel knew this before having Jigsaw break his arm.

 

[November Rain]

You're forgetting that force is nothing more than mass times speed. If Flash punches fast enough, he's capable of hitting as hard as Superman, Wonder woman or Martian Manhunter.

Flash is pretty well protected against anything he does if he's doing it under the context of speed, so not only could he take out a brick wall, he could tear apart titanium doors and come out unscathed.

actually force is mass multiplied by acceleration but whatever...

 

[yahman]

I left the Kmc forum to avoid threads like this, but i just couldn't resist. The general consensus from that forum is that the current Hulk is totally outmatched, in e ery department when it comes to this fight. The current depiction of the Hulk is yet to show anywhere near the same level of power associated with the Superman seen through out the most recent crisis. Weh you consider that Kal el was able to withstand punches from a being capable of moving planets like 'chess pieces', its hard to see a Hulk who has been Koed by the likes of Thor, Titannus and the Void lasting long, all of which are yet to llustrate power even close to the level of Super boy Prime.

 

[Ockham]

1)Ockham and Ahura Mazda, both of you responded (even if Mazda did so indirectly) to my statements, yet both of you failed to realize the sentence that followed what you selectively quoted. I already said that The Flash would destroy his body, by punching dense surfaces, even if he can pierce through them. For some reason, you just neglected to acknowledge that.

Yes, sorry about that.

So we agree that unless Flash has some kind of silly überpowerful magic aura around him, he would get utterly destroyed by his own speed. Unfortunately, he does have it...