Superman's power level

[Kurosawa]

Your arrogance is quite funny. I've never said a word about Clark being his real persona.

I just said i don't want him pulling powers out of his ass just for the convenience of the story. That would make Superman a Deus Ex Machina... not a real character.

And again no, there is many interpretations of Superman, just like there is many interpretations of Batman. That variety in their history, like or not, is a big reason why they are so iconic.

So until you realise that, instead of being stuck in your narrow minded view that the only things that count are the things you like, you'll never get the Superman character.

Okay, sure.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

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These were pretty strong Supermen. Maybe not as strong as in the comics, but pretty strong.

I just never could get into it. It seemed like anything heavier than a car and it gives him a super-hernia.

 

[Kurosawa]

I just never could get into it. It seemed like anything heavier than a car and it gives him a super-hernia.

My wife and I used to call him "Kinda-Powerful Man".

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Why can't his powers start at a S:TAS, Action #1 (Vol 1 & 2) level and increase to Bronze Age levels?

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Why can't his powers start at a S:TAS, Action #1 (Vol 1 & 2) level and increase to Bronze Age levels?

I'm fine with Superman starting out not knowing his limit, gradually discovering what he can do over time. Like in Lois and Clark, he had more than adequate power levels. In All Shook Up, he was actually kindof shocked that they'd ask him to stop an asteroid the size of a state. He managed to shatter it by flying into it, but of course ended up with amnesia. Then, he managed to push a remaining chunk the size of Metropolis away from Earth.

 

[SatEL]

I want him strong enough to the point where one kryptonian is strong enough to conquer earth. Superman should be Godly even among other heroes.

 

[Tomar-Re]

His strength should start out limited and grow over time and experience. If he keeps pushing his body to the max, similar to how our bodies respond to weight lifting, then that max increases and increases...

 

[Boy Scout]

Since we're talking about powers, is there any particular power of Superman's that you don't care for?

 

[Micromind]

One thing that Superman Returns got right was Superman's power levels (and I am not talking about how Kryptonite affected him in SR.)

Keep Superman's power at the same level as shown in SR, not more not less.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One thing that Superman Returns got right was Superman's power levels (and I am not talking about how Kryptonite affected him in SR.)

Keep Superman's power at the same level as shown in SR, not more not less.

Agreed, keeps his powers at that level if not more, showing a Superman who can pick up a city getting the **** beaten out of him by Zod will be pretty scary on the big screen.

 

[afan]

One thing that Superman Returns got right was Superman's power levels (and I am not talking about how Kryptonite affected him in SR.)

Keep Superman's power at the same level as shown in SR, not more not less.

I disagree.....

His power was inconsistent, and hence a baseline for his power is missing in SR.
He struggled to save the airplane, and yet was able to seperate NK from the earth and lift same up into orbit while being weakened by Green K(so it's effect is relevant to the point).
Also i could be mistaken, but I believe in the news broadcasts re. his return to Earth, it was stated that he was sighted in the US and then seconds later in Japan.
If he is capable of the latter feat and the speed I recollect being stated, rescuing the falling airplane should be child's play.

 

[piccolo]

He struggled with the airplane in SR because he had to stop it and keep the hull from collapsing at the same time, not because it was heavy. At least from how I recall.

 

[DE LA LUNA]

I disagree.....

His power was inconsistent, and hence a baseline for his power is missing in SR.
He struggled to save the airplane, and yet was able to seperate NK from the earth and lift same up into orbit while being weakened by Green K(so it's effect is relevant to the point).
Also i could be mistaken, but I believe in the news broadcasts re. his return to Earth, it was stated that he was sighted in the US and then seconds later in Japan.
If he is capable of the latter feat and the speed I recollect being stated, rescuing the falling airplane should be child's play.

I'd say that the logic, or physics were inconsistent. No matter how powerful or fast Superman can be, he cannot magically stop an airplane from crashing without destroying it. Therefore, there should have been more logic put into the krypton scene, but since it was the final scene I guess they didn't want to over complicate things. . .

 

[afan]

I'd say that the logic, or physics were inconsistent. No matter how powerful or fast Superman can be, he cannot magically stop an airplane from crashing without destroying it. Therefore, there should have been more logic put into the krypton scene, but since it was the final scene I guess they didn't want to over complicate things. . .

I would agree with that statement, but physics are always inconsistent or totally ignored in the super-hero genre, it's a given, and within that given his powers were inconsistently presented. All I am saying is the mess that was SR should not be exemplary for anything Superman.

That being said Superman could easily rescue a falling airplane and it's occupants within the confine of physics,...... if he has the room to manuever. He could match the speed of the falling plane, take hold at the planes strongest structural point and then decelerate and manuever the plane to a safe and controlled landing.

 

[Micromind]

I disagree.....


He struggled to save the airplane

Superman had to gradually decelerate the airplane, as stopping it abruptly mid air would collapse its structure killing all the passengers. He first had to slow down the descent and then had to stop it.

and yet was able to seperate NK from the earth and lift same up into orbit while being weakened by Green K(so it's effect is relevant to the point).

Here he was lifting the NK but I have already said in my previous post that the way Kryptonite affects Superman as shown in SR should not be used in MOS, as there were certain inconsistencies there.

 

[afan]

Superman had to gradually decelerate the airplane, as stopping it abruptly mid air would collapse its structure killing all the passengers. He first had to slow down the descent and then had to stop it.



Here he was lifting the NK but I have already said in my previous post that the way Kryptonite affects Superman as shown in SR should not be used in MOS, as there were certain inconsistencies there.

As DE LA LUNA points out the physics here had no logic. Under the physical laws that you use to explain the plane rescue difficulty, NK would have crumbled under it's own weight when supported on Superman's shoulders alone.

 

[Micromind]

As DE LA LUNA points out the physics here had no logic. Under the physical laws that you use to explain the plane rescue difficulty, NK would have crumbled under it's own weight when supported on Superman's shoulders alone.

Not applying laws of physics to that particular scene (Lifting of NK.) has nothing to do with how the Superman's power level was shown and how the airplane rescue scene was shown. Two scenes are different from each other.

The fact that he could (at least theoretically) lift a landmass of that size gives some indication of how powerful Superman is in the movie, putting aside lack of logical inconsistencies and plot hoes in the script.

 

[elgaz]

So are we at a point where we're saying Superman's powers in this film should be dictated - to some degree - by how they can fit in with real world physics?

I'd agree with this notion - and when I posted the thread, I did touch upon how things like flying at 600mph through a city couldn't be done for the air disturbance it would cause, etc.

I wonder if Snyder is subscribing to a similar plan in terms of how he is approaching Superman's powers?

But then again - as ideal as realism is - this is still a film about an alien with God-like powers and strength. We want to be impressed. We want to be awed, and blown away. I don't want to walk out of the theater with the sense that they held back a bit.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea, i don't wanna watch a movie about Superman for amazing feats of realism.

But on the same token, I don't want to see him sneezing galaxies out of existence or pushing planets around.

 

[Dr.]

Since we're talking about powers, is there any particular power of Superman's that you don't care for?

I guess my biggest peeve is “super ventriloquism.”

Together with super hearing, it essentially gives Supes two-way “radio communication” with someone else – without a radio. That strikes me as way too convenient (and too silly).

Back in the day, most of Supes’ powers were amplifications of normal abilities. A man can bend a coat hanger, Supes can bend an iron bar; a man can jump 4 feet, Supes can leap an eighth of a mile; etc. So I supposed the thinking was that if a ventriloquist can throw his voice to his nearby dummy, Supes can throw his voice across town. Except that… “voice throwing” isn’t real. It’s a trick – an optical/audio illusion. Sound isn’t really being moved. So there’s no physical ability/phenomenon that Supes can amplify.

 

[elgaz]

Yea, i don't wanna watch a movie about Superman for amazing feats of realism.

But on the same token, I don't want to see him sneezing galaxies out of existence or pushing planets around.

A Nolan-style approach then.

Superpowers which may not be ultra-realistic in terms of the real world, but totally plausible in the world in which the film inhabits.

 

[elgaz]

I guess my biggest peeve is “super ventriloquism.”

Together with super hearing, it essentially gives Supes two-way “radio communication” with someone else – without a radio. That strikes me as way too convenient (and too silly).

Back in the day, most of Supes’ powers were amplifications of normal abilities. A man can bend a coat hanger, Supes can bend an iron bar; a man can jump 4 feet, Supes can leap an eighth of a mile; etc. So I supposed the thinking was that if a ventriloquist can throw his voice to his nearby dummy, Supes can throw his voice across town. Except that… “voice throwing” isn’t real. It’s a trick – an optical/audio illusion. Sound isn’t really being moved. So there’s no physical ability/phenomenon that Supes can amplify.

I agree, always thought this one was a bit silly tbh.

Most of Superman's established powers - invulnerability, flight, strength, speed, heat vision, freeze breath, etc - are fine with me. It's when they filmmakers deviate a bit from that template and introduce new ones when things go wrong. His memory-wipe kiss, and the random powers which he seemed to exhibit when fighting Zod and co in Superman II, etc.

 

[The Morningstar]

No, nothing like Nolan realism. His realism doesn't make sense in his movies world anyway. A guy gets stabbed in the face and slumps to the floor silently, yet another guy with half his face burnt off walks around without a problem?

I still want it to be fantastic and stylish. I want to see Supes and Zod trading blows that cause shockwaves and send them flying miles. I want to see speed blitzing in aerial dogfights. I want to see ridiculous strength feats.

Just none of that plot device crap from before the Crisis.

 

[GreenKToo]

^ me too. When two beings such as supes and zod fight, the collateral damage alone should be mind blowing. For instance, when they punch each other, windows in buildings for blocks around should be blown out from the shockwave.
When one is knocked down to the ground from a punch, a crater a hundred feet or more across should be caused.
It should be like two normal humans fighting in a room full of china and crystal. stuff nearby would get broken easily.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea exactly. Even though Matrix Revolutions is much maligned, I still think the final fight is similar to how i'd like to see a fight between Superman and a similar powered enemy. Just great imagery in that scene.