Supernatural Season 14

[Orb]

Tonight

 

[Mockingbird]

I didn't realise it was so soon

 

[legendkillin]

Of course Cas takes a beating in his first scene. I use to care about Cas, but now I think he adds little to nothing to the team. Just another person that needs saving his powers will never fully return and he has no fighting ability.

 

[Flash525]

I'm watching it right now (dual monitors, yay). Cas should be more competent these days considering all he's gone through, but instead he gets ambushed by a bunch of Demons. I'm intrigued to see where they're going to go with Nick; I imagined he'd been killed (along with Lucifer) at the end of Season 13, can't quite imagine what other reason there may be for keeping him around.

Jack can't be fully angelic depleted either, surely? He's the spawn of an Archangel. Further intrigued to see where Michael is going too, and what his end-game is. I'm convinced [our] Michael is going to come into play at some point too - maybe he'll even possess Nick in order to fight … himself.

Glad to have the show back anyhow.

 

[legendkillin]

I'm watching it right now (dual monitors, yay). Cas should be more competent these days considering all he's gone through, but instead he gets ambushed by a bunch of Demons. I'm intrigued to see where they're going to go with Nick; I imagined he'd been killed (along with Lucifer) at the end of Season 13, can't quite imagine what other reason there may be for keeping him around.

Jack can't be fully angelic depleted either, surely? He's the spawn of an Archangel. Further intrigued to see where Michael is going too, and what his end-game is. I'm convinced [our] Michael is going to come into play at some point too - maybe he'll even possess Nick in order to fight … himself.

Glad to have the show back anyhow.

I think Pellegrino is the only reason they are keeping Nick around, I too thought he would die when stabbed.

Jack should not be depleted either, it didn't seem like much was taken. They are going to have two weak angels that provide nothing in terms of hand to hand? Cas or Jack will have to go if that is the case.

 

[DCMarv37]

I think Pellegrino is the only reason they are keeping Nick around, I too thought he would die when stabbed.

Jack should not be depleted either, it didn't seem like much was taken. They are going to have two weak angels that provide nothing in terms of hand to hand? Cas or Jack will have to go if that is the case.

I am 2 seasons behind on watching this show - and not because I don't have the time to catch up - but I've kept up on the plot (somewhat) and its obvious why this possible* plot point was introduced. This way, they can 'kill' Michael without killing Dean.

* - this is assuming that Lucifer is truly 'dead'. I don't believe he is, because I want Lucifer dead and completely done with, but SPN can't seem to let the character and plot contrivance go. And even if he is dead, Chuck will bring him back cause Lucifer was his 'first' or 'favorite' son. {long-suffering sigh}

 

[Teelie]

Lucifer is well and truly dead this time. He might have been tricky but the season 13 finale made it clear, he's gone.

 

[Flash525]

* - this is assuming that Lucifer is truly 'dead'. I don't believe he is, because I want Lucifer dead and completely done with, but SPN can't seem to let the character and plot contrivance go. And even if he is dead, Chuck will bring him back cause Lucifer was his 'first' or 'favorite' son. {long-suffering sigh}

Lucifer is well and truly dead this time. He might have been tricky but the season 13 finale made it clear, he's gone.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we've actually had the conclusive death of Lucifer (and dare I say it, Gabriel) now. It's a shame, especially the way they brought Gabriel back only to kill him off - again. What a waste.

In any case, it's only (the) Michaels that still exist now, at least until another door is opened to yet another world where more of the same Archangels exist, hah.

 

[DCMarv37]

Lucifer is well and truly dead this time. He might have been tricky but the season 13 finale made it clear, he's gone.

I wish I could completely believe this, but after 13 seasons, if SPN ptb have proven anything with any regularity, its that nobody is ever truly dead as long as they can get the actor or actress back to portray the character.

 

[Dugath]

This thing is still around and kicking? Used to be a must see.. i just sort of forgot about it during what ever season it was that Sam got abducted and tortured but some chick. Seems like years ago

 

[Marvolo]

I wish I could completely believe this, but after 13 seasons, if SPN ptb have proven anything with any regularity, its that nobody is ever truly dead as long as they can get the actor or actress back to portray the character.

Except Crowley.

 

[Flash525]

I wish I could completely believe this, but after 13 seasons, if SPN ptb have proven anything with any regularity, its that nobody is ever truly dead as long as they can get the actor or actress back to portray the character.

Except Crowley.

I think Mark actually requested Crowley's death, didn't he? He had a good run in any case, but it (seemed) obvious that they were running out of things for Crowley to do. His introduction was brilliant, and I loved the character, but toward the end, he just seemed to be pottering around not doing a whole lot.

You're also right, nobody truly remains dead (just look at Tetch, Mary, Gabriel, Castiel & Bobby), but I honestly don't think we're going to see Lucifer again. Alike Crowley, I just don't see where else they can go with that character even if they did bring him back.

This thing is still around and kicking? Used to be a must see.. i just sort of forgot about it during what ever season it was that Sam got abducted and tortured but some chick. Seems like years ago

SPN has however had it's up's and downs, there was one season (with a focus on Sam I think) which was dire. Had him in a relationship with some woman who's husband had been lost at war (who later returned IIRC). SPN kinda' went from good, to bad, and then back to good (and currently remains so).

 

[Marvolo]

I think the ideal thing would have been for Mark to do one or two appearances during a season. Maybe take a season off. Crowley didnt need to appear so much, and it would have given Mark a break and more time for other projects.

The character could have just been left alive mostly off screen as the King of Hell. Some name drops and a cameo here and there and maybe an appearance during the show's final finale. That would have been ideal and would have kept Hell with a known quantity as the leader.

Now however Hell and the Demons are entirely rudderless and totally boring. And at some point they'll have to introduce a new leader (like Colonel Sanders Demon) or rehash Lucifer (hopefully not).

 

[Teelie]

I wish I could completely believe this, but after 13 seasons, if SPN ptb have proven anything with any regularity, its that nobody is ever truly dead as long as they can get the actor or actress back to portray the character.

In a sense they bypassed it since we have Nick now, so same actor, different character, sort of.

 

[DCMarv37]

This thing is still around and kicking? Used to be a must see.. i just sort of forgot about it during what ever season it was that Sam got abducted and tortured but some chick. Seems like years ago

I can't lie; I haven't watched since the 3rd episode of the season you just described - which was S12, btw.

I do keep up on the series direction and storylines - somewhat - by reading info and episode reactions, but aside from a few rare instances along the way, this show hasn't been "appointment TV" in about 9 or 10 years [IMO].

There's other reasons I can't find the old enjoyment the show or fandom, but Kripke's original '5-yr plan' was the show's run that should be remembered by all for how good it was and could be.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

So Castiel gets kidnapped like an amateur in the first episode and he also needs Sam & Co. to rescue him. Once again, he is completely useless with all of his powers. Convenient aka LAZY writting.

Sam & Co. go after Michael in the second ep, with no real plan and their only real "weapon" (Cas) gets to babysit Jack & Nick?

And speaking of Nick, I also wonder what was the purpose of keeping him (yet another Lucifer return? Otherwise, I can't find a reason). Btw, seeing how Nick survived is yet another blow to the whole Season 5 arc. Knowing what we know now and seeing the battle from last season of Michael & Lucifer, you guys do realise that Dean & Sam saying NO to them back in S5 completely lost any kind of relevance? They should've both said YES, there would have been no apocalypse, Michael would have simply killed Lucifer, Sam would have survived in the end (as Nick did, apparently), the world would have lost The Devil and everyone could have drove happily into the sunset! lol

I guess the show is still good these days if you shut your brain off and forget pretty much all you knew... One thing I do like though, is Sam as a leader. I like the fact that he made no deals with the demon from the first episode, I like the fact that we've got a more mature and in control Sam overall. Dean as Michael, I wish to be explored more and I hope it's going to be, even if Michael apparently "left" his vessel.

 

[Flash525]

So Castiel gets kidnapped like an amateur in the first episode and he also needs Sam & Co. to rescue him. Once again, he is completely useless with all of his powers. Convenient aka LAZY writting.

Sam & Co. go after Michael in the second ep, with no real plan and their only real "weapon" (Cas) gets to babysit Jack & Nick?

And speaking of Nick, I also wonder what was the purpose of keeping him (yet another Lucifer return? Otherwise, I can't find a reason). Btw, seeing how Nick survived is yet another blow to the whole Season 5 arc. Knowing what we know now and seeing the battle from last season of Michael & Lucifer, you guys do realise that Dean & Sam saying NO to them back in S5 completely lost any kind of relevance? They should've both said YES, there would have been no apocalypse, Michael would have simply killed Lucifer, Sam would have survived in the end (as Nick did, apparently), the world would have lost The Devil and everyone could have drove happily into the sunset! lol

I guess the show is still good these days if you shut your brain off and forget pretty much all you knew... One thing I do like though, is Sam as a leader. I like the fact that he made no deals with the demon from the first episode, I like the fact that we've got a more mature and in control Sam overall. Dean as Michael, I wish to be explored more and I hope it's going to be, even if Michael apparently "left" his vessel.

You're assuming Michael would have won?

 

[Marvolo]

The previous two seasons show exactly why Sam and Dean should not have said yes. The alternate earth is a display of exactly what happens when two archangels go to war with the full might of hell and heaven behind them. If Sam and Dean said yes Michael and Lucifer in season 5, when heaven and hell were at full strength, millions maybe billions of humans would have died in the crossfire. The earth would have been laid waste.

The fight last season is an entirely different situation than what would have happened in season 5. In the season 13 finale heaven is nearly gone and the angels are all but extinct. The alternate Michael doesnt have the support and army and power of heaven that he had in his alternate reality. He doesnt have the power and support that Michawl Prime had in season 5. And Lucifer didnt have hell fully behind him in season 13.

 

[Orb]

I'm finding Nick's story pretty interesting. As for Jack, I think he has been the best addition in a long awhile and I'm glad he's still sticking around.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

You're assuming Michael would have won?

It was just an example (since it did happen in the last one). It could have gone either way, my point stands even if Lucy would have won.

 

[Flash525]

It was just an example (since it did happen in the last one). It could have gone either way, my point stands even if Lucy would have won.

Wasn't Lucifer's plan to create paradise without Humanity? We don't know what [prime] Michael wanted, short of following Dads Wishes, though [elseworld] Michael seemed hell bent, firstly on destruction of Humanity and Demons, and now, with his second attempt, he wants to replace Humans with Monsters.

Either way, regardless of who says yes or no, humanity loses. The Angels (with the exception of Castiel) and Archangels, (with the exception of Gabriel) don't seem to have a whole lotta' love for humanity, regardless of which Earth they're from.

 

[legendkillin]

So "Mint Condition" is like the movie Small Soldiers?

 

[legendkillin]

I actually liked Harper actress was cute and she was well written, had me fooled as being good. I look forward to her returning. I kind of expect her and Rowena to meet up, Harper's only real magic power is bring back the dead. Rowena would want Crowley brought back.

 

[Teelie]

Which would be great if they could get Mark Shepard to return.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I am so disappointed that they are bringing Ruby in for the big 300 but it aint gonna be KCs Ruby.