Supervillain Tag-Team Showdown: Namor & Hawkeye vs. Aquaman & Green Arrow

[batnkevlar]

Well, Marvel/DC was a polled event... readers voted who would win, and didn't understand the characters...

 

[comicfan4Life]

Oh, I see. Thanks, I was really confused as to how Logan beat Lobo.

 

[Anubis]

People Are Stupid

 

[trustyside-kick]

I'm curious...when exactly did Namor take on people such as The Hulk and Ironman? I've heard he was able to hold his own but how old in comics did those events occur, cause I'm really curious.

 

[Anubis]

He does s**t like that all the time. 60's and 70's are some of his most prominent battles with Hulk. He beat the s**t outta IM just last year in the Illuminati Special when he found out what they were planning to do to the Hulk. That's post Extremis IM too. There's a Namor respect thread somewhere around here that has most of his biggest battles scanned.

 

[trustyside-kick]

He does s**t like that all the time. 60's and 70's are some of his most prominent battles with Hulk. He beat the s**t outta IM just last year in the Illuminati Special when he found out what they were planning to do to the Hulk. That's post Extremis IM too. There's a Namor respect thread somewhere around here that has most of his biggest battles scanned.

Well, him taking on Iron Man seems to be a great feat, but when I think about it not as great as Hulk. I mean, I could see Orin taking on Iron Man. I'm not saying he would wipe the floor with him, but I see him doing well too.

But if most of the battles of him fighting on the Hulk and doing well are from the 60s and 70s...doesn't that kinda mean little now? I mean, sure, the Hulk has always been a powerful dude, but back then? He wasn't nearly as powerful as nowadays, right? So Namor taking him on back then sort of would have less credibility when they changed things numerous times. What about when they revamped Namor?

Has Namor taken on Hulk lately? Because I can accept and understand him being stronger than Aquaman physically, but it cannot be by that much unless this Hulk thing was pretty recent. Then again a factor is "how angry Hulk got eventually" in the most recent fight with Namor.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Also, I just thought of another factor not mentioned why Aquaman would be able to defeat Namor. The telepathy and the fact that he won't dehydrate easily with the water hand are definitely important, but there is something else. Aquaman is 3 times faster than Namor underwater.

The amount of weight that it has been said Namor can lift is only about 10-15 tons more than Aquaman so he isn't really too much weaker, especially when you consider his speed. Imagine Aquaman landing a few punches at a speed 3 times faster than Namor can handle? And while he isn't stronger than Namor, at that speed it is still incredible damage.

Also, Namor does have that downside of being in the water or air for too long. He won't be able to focus for too long if that were to occur, making him sloppy while Aquaman would be attacking at incredibly fast speeds. Aquaman can keep his speed constant at high speeds for a long time.

(Still hoping for a response about my Namor/Hulk related questions, just so you know. I just happened to realize this after asking that question.)

 

[Anubis]

Doesn't matter. Hulk back in the 60's and 70's was stronger than Aquaman now.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I do not deny that. But how angry was Hulk? That is always an issue which is why Marvel needs to be more clear on Hulk's strength; I don't see how they gauge how much stronger he gets after certain things that make him angry.

I wasn't too surprised with the answer. Just saying we don't know "how angry" Namor made Hulk to see how much stronger Hulk was when he went toe to toe with Namor, or do we?

 

[Anubis]

What, does that matter? Base level hulk is 100 Class. Whether he dropped his pudding pop or just found out his brother f**ked his wife, he's still stronger than Aquaman.

 

[comicfan4Life]

If I remember from the Essential Namor paperback, he insulted his intelligence and hulk got angry enough to take out Thor almost.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Oh, didn't know what Hulk's strength at normal. That's basically what I wanted to know. Cause that guy was saying earlier how Namor was at 70.

 

[Kenda Man]

#7: Captain America & Storm vs. Wonder Woman & Hawkman
Winner: Captain America & Storm: 71% to 29%
Website Forum: ComingSoon.net

I try to not be biased when it comes to measuring certain superheroes power levels, but isn't this fight very uneven because of how absurdly strong Hawkman and Wonder Woman are fighting Storm and Captain America. I know that Captain America is a great deal more popular than Hawkman, but I think based on abilities, Hawkman and Wonder Woman would probably win.

I know Captain America has years of experience, training, the super soldier serum, his vibranium-steel alloy shield and mesh uniform, but Hawkman has been around for 400 years and lived many life times to learn from his mistakes. That experience cannot be measured. His weapons vary and he could use his shield, mace, and axe in battle. Don't forget the nth metal wing harness allows the wearer flight, a healing factor, and enhances strength and would be a bear to take down. I didn't even mention Wonder Woman's abilities.

Storm would definitely be a threat as well. I would like to see the Weather Wizard go against storm, because of their abilities to control the weather. It would be neat if the DC writers made it so Weather Wizard wouldn't need his weather wand to control the weather, that he some how absorbed the wand's abilities in his body from prolonged use.

 

[Anubis]

The thing is, the Marvel Strength class is utter bulls**t. Guys ranked at like, 70 and 80 regularly pull off feats that put them well above what they're ranked at. I've seen Luke Cage, whose supposed to be about 40 tons lift stuff in the 80 to 90 ton range. Freakin' Daredevil flipped over a limo. It doesn't mean s**t is what I'm saying.

 

[Anubis]

Actually Hawkman's been around for 3000 years, but you're right for the most part.

Wonder Woman's like the strongest of all other heroes this side of Superman. Speed of Mercury too. Cap and Storm don't stand a chance. Though, despite what Carter's got on Cap, I think he could still pull off a victory. He's taken down tougher on his own.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Okay, so you mean there are times where this is bad writing? Would you say that for the Hulk and Namor fight? I'm not trying to find something so I can use it incase I ever need to talk smack about Namor, I really am curious. Really me being a huge Aquaman fan has nothing to do with it; I like both characters. I just don't read anything Marvel at the moment aside from Daredevil.

An example I can think of is Identity Crisis to a point. A lot of people complained about Slade's genious feat. Same can be said for his latest feat against the Teen Titans lately. The complaints were about certain parts of his success that occured while the brawl was going on. Blaming it all on "bad writing".

 

[Kenda Man]

Freakin' Daredevil flipped over a limo. It doesn't mean s**t is what I'm saying.

lol, I have to check that out. And your right about the Marvel class not being the definitive way to measure their heroes. I think leaving it up to certain acts they perform is a good way not limit it so much by classes.

Thanks for correcting about how many years Hawkman lived through his various lives.

 

[Anubis]

Okay, so you mean there are times where this is bad writing? Would you say that for the Hulk and Namor fight? I'm not trying to find something so I can use it incase I ever need to talk smack about Namor, I really am curious. Really me being a huge Aquaman fan has nothing to do with it; I like both characters. I just don't read anything Marvel at the moment aside from Daredevil.

An example I can think of is Identity Crisis to a point. A lot of people complained about Slade's genius feat. Same can be said for his latest feat against the Teen Titans lately. The complaints were about certain parts of his success that occured while the brawl was going on. Blaming it all on "bad writing".

Nah, it's about consistency. Fact is, Namor was able to do damage to the FF on his own. He's always been strong, and even stronger in and fresh out of water. One of the Namor/Hulk fights I've seen started underwater, so Namor was at his strongest, and he was able to knock the living hell outta Hulk. From the depths of the ocean to dry land. Hulk wasn't jobbing like the JLA was in that issue of FF. He was fighting like Hulk Fights. Plus, he did win that that fight eventually.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Hulk wasn't jobbing like the JLA was in that issue of FF.

I understand your post, just not this sentence. What do you mean?

 

[Anubis]

Sorry, Brain fart. I meant Identity Crisis, not FF. I got Fantastic Four on the brain.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Ah, I see.

 

[Kitsune]

Aquaman is 3 times faster than Namor underwater.

Okay, where are we pulling this from, the Brown Journal? Since when has he been Aquaflash?

 

[Anubis]

He's right. Aquaman can run about 200 mph on land and is even faster in water.

 

[Blaktin America]

Quoted From The Official Sub-Mariner Thread:


He is listed as being class 100 strength that deteriorates as he dries out but he has that suit that can keep him wet.

He is pretty invunerable as is but also has his Atlantean armor from Neptune which bolsters his invunerability and strength.

He also has Neptunes Trident which allows him to control water, create water elementals, earthquakes, tidal waves, rain, fog etcetera.

He has a limited ability to control marine life, sonar and can create electic blasts light an electric eel.

He can also absorb other forms of energy and use them as electric blasts. He has that horn that gives him total control over all marine life.

He can make mental projections and the Sword of Kamuu is as powerful as the Ebony Blade and can negate any magic even that of Dr. Strange, it also make him stronger and enchanted.

He can fly and has heightened sences and reflexes.

 

[Blaktin America]

Plus in the 70's he punched the Hulk into Banner. Namor Wins.