The Dark Knight TDK too violent says British MP

[danb26]

[quote="V";15430395]To be honest, WALL-E upset me a lot more than The Dark Knight did. I think that your regular twelve-year-old is more than able to watch the film and to be able to distinguish the fantasy from reality; and the kids under twelve who are able to do the same can also go and see it... with an adult. The problems occur when irresponisble parents take children who can't handle such things. With the internet these days it's really rather easy to get an idea of whether a film is suitable for your child or not, and if you are really in doubt, you can go and see it yourself first!

Ultimately, its just the people with too much time on their hands complaining. 80 complaints from 4.7 million tickets sold? That tells the whole story. If they really want to complain about something, it should be because we didn't get the film until a week after America!![/quote]

Hah, let's not start that up again!

But yeah, very much agreed generally! Nowt to add

 

[Dr. Crane]

there are a lot of intense scenes, but i think gratuitous is the wrong word...
kids are conditioned diferent these days anyhow...
i mean when i was a kid... jaws was one of the scariest things i could have seen.. i couldn't swim in the ocean for a long while after seeing jaws in the 70's... but being afraid of a great white shark isn't a bad thing... it will eat you.. and looking back.. i wouldn't change a thing.. i'm glad i saw it... and i think it's ok for kids to be scared..

i think kids these days would probably go swimming the next day.. knowing it was a fake shark.. because they saw some footage on-line..

the rating is pg-13 for a reason.. let the parents have the choice of whether their kids should see it..

 

[CJWilkie]

I don't know enough about UK ratings to really comment but does the 15 rating over there mean that NO ONE under 15 can go or that they need a parent or guardian? The parent or guardian thing is fine but I see no reason why NO ONE under 15 should go if a parent deems it ok. Nothing in this movie is SO gratuitous that a young teen couldn't handle it.

15 means only 15 and over can see it. Originally "12" meant only 12 and over could see it, but then Bourne came out and there was some protesting so 12A was introduced, which is the same as PG-13 pretty much.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i thought it was the first spiderman that brought 12a in?

 

[Sawyer]

Children under 15 should be barred from cinema screenings of new Batman movie The Dark Knight, a former Home Office minister demanded yesterday.


Labour MP Keith Vaz won't be taking his 11-year-old daughter to see the movie that has a 12A certificate, which means kids under 12 must be with an adult. He said: "There are scenes of gratuitous violence."

In one scene, Batman repeatedly beats the Joker. But the British Board of Film Classification, which has received 80 complaints about the movie, said its 12A decision was justified.

This is ridiculous, jesus, even S-M1 had more risque scenes with violence.

Meh. *****... Pretty much all the violent stuff is off screen, there's literally no gore.

Did you actually see Joker slicing through Gambols cheek? No
Did you actually see Joker jamming the pencil into the one guys eye? No

 

[magus]

15 means only 15 and over can see it. Originally "12" meant only 12 and over could see it, but then Bourne came out and there was some protesting so 12A was introduced, which is the same as PG-13 pretty much.

Knowing that now I am going to say there is no reason for this movie to get a 15 over there. I will not have the government telling me what/what not films my kids can watch if they have my permission. There is nothing gratuitous enough in this film to constitute not letting parents bring their 12-14 year old to this film.

 

[CJWilkie]

Knowing that now I am going to say there is no reason for this movie to get a 15 over there. I will not have the government telling me what/what not films my kids can watch if they have my permission. There is nothing gratuitous enough in this film to constitute not letting parents bring their 12-14 year old to this film.

yeah the rating's justified. besides, as "V" pointed out, 80 complaints from 4.7 million ticket sales. 0.0017% of people were upset. whatever.

 

[CashforStash]

Last thing I need is dumb brits complaining about a movie.

 

[ANTOINE X]

I heard Christan Bale him self want to do a Batman for adult . He said they should do 2 versions one for the kids with the cut scenes and one for the adult. That's what I'm talking about! Batman is not spider-man. You can't make every movie PG. you know what? bale impress me more and more

 

[Hole Shot]

There's a study out (no joke) that says 20% of the UK Parliament is f'ing crazy

 

[tuffenoughtoroc]

You want to traumatize kids? Wait until that movie about "Dubya" comes out! Now that's scary.

 

[tuffenoughtoroc]

Damn double post.

 

[hame4479]

That particular scene is very important to the movie and integral in establishing the joker's character, his sadism, and overall love for violence in any form. Not to mention it is one of the most classic situations that batman and the joker find themselves in. If you criticize that scene then you don't get the material, and you have no right to critique it.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

That particular scene is very important to the movie and integral in establishing the joker's character, his sadism, and overall love for violence in any form. Not to mention it is one of the most classic situations that batman and the joker find themselves in. If you criticize that scene then you don't get the material, and you have no right to critique it.

QFT!

I guess people in the UK are softies. Especially the adults. If you can even call them that. JOKER BEATING UP BATMAN?!!! OH MY! Sounds like a kingdom full of children with horrible dental hygiene.

But not really.

The Batfans over there tend to be cool.

 

[TheFuture]

Originally posted by LOUD SILENT MAN
Meh. *****... Pretty much all the violent stuff is off screen, there's literally no gore.

Did you actually see Joker slicing through Gambols cheek? No
Did you actually see Joker jamming the pencil into the one guys eye? No

[quote="V";15430395]To be honest, WALL-E upset me a lot more than The Dark Knight did. I think that your regular twelve-year-old is more than able to watch the film and to be able to distinguish the fantasy from reality; and the kids under twelve who are able to do the same can also go and see it... with an adult. The problems occur when irresponisble parents take children who can't handle such things. With the internet these days it's really rather easy to get an idea of whether a film is suitable for your child or not, and if you are really in doubt, you can go and see it yourself first!

Ultimately, its just the people with too much time on their hands complaining. 80 complaints from 4.7 million tickets sold? That tells the whole story. If they really want to complain about something, it should be because we didn't get the film until a week after America!![/quote]

A-f'n-men man t:

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Last thing I need is dumb brits complaining about a movie.

oi dont be dissin the brits sunny jim. yea all our MPs are dumb and i hate them, but dont start dissin.

 

[danb26]

Last thing I need is dumb brits complaining about a movie.

QFT!

I guess people in the UK are softies. Especially the adults. If you can even call them that. JOKER BEATING UP BATMAN?!!! OH MY! Sounds like a kingdom full of children with horrible dental hygiene.

But not really.

The Batfans over there tend to be cool.

Firstly, for the latter comment:

I nearly had to go on a rant on the reason why those generalisations by American's is the reason why the world.....BUT...I agree with your last bit instead Especially as you have the worse gun and knife crime in the world, I'm surprised you lot aren't more on edge about violence

To be fair 80 complaints out of what, 4.7million+ isn't exactly a high percentage and I love that scene.

For the first comment:

It's lucky we don't need you then! Also, dumb Brits including Bale, Oldman, Caine and Nolan eh?

Oh the girl who's Maroni's missus was in Hollyoaks...so now my stupid arguement fails...hahaHAha!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

lol yea i just laugh when people say "dumb brits". well if it wernt for us "dumb brits" this forum wouldn't even exist, and there would be no TDK to talk about.

 

[sarg2k]

I thought the BBFC is very generous with a 12a, there is no way this should have got anything less than a 15.

It just isn't suitable, regardless of what people say other wise.

Here is what the BBFC listed
The BBFC Guidelines at ‘12A’ state that ‘violence must not dwell on detail’ and that ‘there should be no emphasis on injuries or blood’ and whilst THE DARK KNIGHT does contain a good deal of violence, all of it fits within that definition. For example, in one of the stronger scenes, Batman repeatedly beats the Joker during an interrogation. The blows however are all masked from the camera and despite both their weight and force; the Joker shows no sign of injury. There are also scenes in which the Joker threatens first a man and then a woman with a knife and whilst these do have a significant degree of menace, without any actual violence shown they were also acceptably placed at ‘12A’. In the final analysis, THE DARK KNIGHT is a superhero movie and the violence it contains exists within that context, with both Batman and the Joker apparently indestructible no matter what is thrown at them.

When I watched it last there were kids in floods of tears all the way through, I wont be taking my cousin.

The fact is that the film is not suitable for kids, the term 'gratuitous violence' is wrong for the arguement but he does have a point in taking kids to watch it.

Oh and cut the racist comments towards English people, this is a discussion and if you cannot contribute like an adult do not bother.

 

[TheFuture]

I thought the BBFC is very generous with a 12a, there is no way this should have got anything less than a 15.

It just isn't suitable, regardless of what people say other wise.

Here is what the BBFC listed
The BBFC Guidelines at ‘12A’ state that ‘violence must not dwell on detail’ and that ‘there should be no emphasis on injuries or blood’ and whilst THE DARK KNIGHT does contain a good deal of violence, all of it fits within that definition. For example, in one of the stronger scenes, Batman repeatedly beats the Joker during an interrogation. The blows however are all masked from the camera and despite both their weight and force; the Joker shows no sign of injury. There are also scenes in which the Joker threatens first a man and then a woman with a knife and whilst these do have a significant degree of menace, without any actual violence shown they were also acceptably placed at ‘12A’. In the final analysis, THE DARK KNIGHT is a superhero movie and the violence it contains exists within that context, with both Batman and the Joker apparently indestructible no matter what is thrown at them.

When I watched it last there were kids in floods of tears all the way through, I wont be taking my cousin.

The fact is that the film is not suitable for kids, the term 'gratuitous violence' is wrong for the arguement but he does have a point in taking kids to watch it.

Oh and cut the racist comments towards English people, this is a discussion and if you cannot contribute like an adult do not bother.

The BBFC said it themselves, 12A films cannot dwell on violent detail or on injuries blood. Scenes such as

• The Joker putting the pen in the guys eye
• Sliting Gambol's face
• Batman beating Joker

did not dwell on detail. Now, if The Joker drove the goon's head into the pen and then the camera dwelled on the goon having a fit on the floor with blood flowing then it would have been unsuitable, but it didn't. Same goes for killing Gambol; no blood and actual footage of the knife cutting him.

I can understand what you mean about the dark tone and the intensity, but this guy's gripe was with "scenes of gratuitous violence". I have seen the movie twice in the cinema, and on both occasions there were very young kids there, well below the teenage years. In both experiences the kids were fine and were just enjoying the movie.

 

[hatebox]

We're all looking at this from the point of view of adults.

What people are missing is that all these MPs actually say it's a great movie, but it should be rated higher. Given me and all of my friends walked out of the film saying 'Wow, I can't believe that was a 12A!' I have to agree....

 

[sarg2k]

From what I have seen in terms of reaction the most affecting scenes were when The fake Batman get tortured and hung, Two face and the Jokers monoglues about his scars.

Gratuitous Violence is incorrect wording. Sustained Threat is much more accurate

 

[TheFuture]

We're all looking at this from the point of view of adults.

What people are missing is that all these MPs actually say it's a great movie, but it should be rated higher. Given me and all of my friends walked out of the film saying 'Wow, I can't believe that was a 12A!' I have to agree....

And that's fair enough and I can only judge by what I saw in the movie too and how children reacted in the cinema on two different occasions.

 

[chamber-music]

ATTENTION all fellow hypers do not take a British MPs opinon seriously. This is coming from a government that is bankrupting its own country to ****ing cut carbon emmisions and all that greenpeace bollox

Exactly. Its just another politician attacking a soft target popular movie to score points with voters and the general public. Thats how MP work in Britain.

Vaz has always been a shady politician anyway He has had
allegations of impropriety through out his ministerial career. The former Europe minister was largely cleared of allegations of sleaze and financial chicanery but criticised for refusing to co-operate with the Parliamentary inquiry into the affair - a charge he denies. He resigned in 2001 on the grounds of ill health.

Also 80 complaints out of the Thosands of People who have seen the movie in the whole country is nothing.

 

[chamber-music]

Hes British, I think his teeth are to violent.

His from yemen actully