Teens kill Australian baseball player for fun

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Yeah, Aussies absolutely can't stand Outback Steakhouse. It's a Florida chain (with no outlets in Australia) that sells itself on ridiculous Aussie stereotypes, so I wouldn't use that as an example, Nick.

 

[NickNitro]

^ Like American's who curse McDonalds and Budlight...these are rare but beautiful breeds of people

 

[chaseter]

I like Outback.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I like Outback.

Yes, but even your avatar describes you as a "Bland User"

 

[Bim]

Whatever happened to opening up a book and reading it, going our for a jog, listening to some music if you're bored? wow, this story's just sad. It's so difficult to believe this was the only thing these teens could come up with to do on a boring day.

 

[dodong27]

Damn... what a sad story. It's disgusting to think about...

 

[Teelie]

Whatever happened to opening up a book and reading it, going our for a jog, listening to some music if you're bored? wow, this story's just sad. It's so difficult to believe this was the only thing these teens could come up with to do on a boring day.

I suspect there is more to the story than bored teenagers but this is what is being popularized as the story.

I've been bored many times, sometimes it feels like I'll be bored to (my own) death but I don't think it ever came to mind to go kill someone to alleviate it.

Then again, I'm more well adjusted than these three were and I still don't think boredom is the truth. What's more likely is they were wanting to kill and looking for an excuse to do so. Whatever their reasoning to kill, boredom did not provoke it.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Whatever happened to opening up a book and reading it, going our for a jog, listening to some music if you're bored? wow, this story's just sad. It's so difficult to believe this was the only thing these teens could come up with to do on a boring day.

If you're a kid, and you come from a household where these or similar words "What are you reading for?" or "What are you doing that for?" were ever spoken, you unfortunately have been put in a situation that will require you to regain a lot of ground in your life.

I suspect these kids come from households where those words are spoken a lot.

 

[dodong27]

If you're a kid, and you come from a household where these or similar words "What are you reading for?" or "What are you doing that for?" were ever spoken, you unfortunately have been put in a situation that will require you to regain a lot of ground in your life.

I suspect these kids come from households where those words are spoken a lot.

Sad but true...

 

[amazingfantasy15]

On a side note though I don't blame the kids as much as naive this sounds. This incident is a direct byproduct of the consumerist and stressful way of life in large cities. It is mathematical certain were we are led as a society. You can lock those kids in a cell forever, you can even sentence therm a death penalty, but the root of the problem will still remain.

Look up Duncan, Oklahoma on a map, it's not a large city, not even near a large city. Before this story you've probably never heard of it. These are three dip$#!+ rednecks that deserve to be raped the rest of their life in jail.

 

[Teelie]

If you're a kid, and you come from a household where these or similar words "What are you reading for?" or "What are you doing that for?" were ever spoken, you unfortunately have been put in a situation that will require you to regain a lot of ground in your life.

I suspect these kids come from households where those words are spoken a lot.

Sadly that's true too. In some households, even entire neighborhoods, see reading or education as a waste of time unless you are already academically promising which means you'll likely get a scholarship to go to college. And I don't mean only in "ethnic" neighborhoods either.

If you're not playing sports (typically in the hope it will amount to a professional career later) or working a paying job, you're not doing something productive. If you're reading a book or otherwise learning something (the internet isn't all cats, porn and play time), you're being lazy and should get out and do something.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I'm not sure you know what a sociopath is. It's someone BORN without the ability to have empathy for others. It's not learned behavior.

I am pretty sure there are sociopaths that don't hurt people and have never killed anyone in their life. So saying sociopaths kill is over simplifying matters. Unless I'm wrong and most to all sociopaths do kill...

Adding: basically I agree with the poster saying other factors than just born bad, because if not all sociopaths kill - there has got to be something that has made these sociopaths in particular kill.

 

[cronosred]

IMO if you murder someone then you should die the same exact way, perhaps if they started doing that people would think twice before they killed someone.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I am pretty sure there are sociopaths that don't hurt people and have never killed anyone in their life. So saying sociopaths kill is over simplifying matters. Unless I'm wrong and most to all sociopaths do kill...

I'm not saying all sociopaths kill. Most don't for legal reasons and self-preservation. Some are content to manipulate others in their private world. But some sociopaths kill and they were probably born to kill, because being a sociopath is not something you learn. You either are one from birth or you're not. Do you understand my point now? And not all murderers are sociopaths either of course. But someone killing a complete stranger because they're "bored" screams sociopath.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I just heard about this on ESPN. Seriously WTF? What the hell were wrong with these kids? I seriously hope these little bastards aren't tried as minors. I also hope the death penalty is sought, no need to use tax payer money to keep this little s**ts alive.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Edit: NVM

 

[Doctor Evo]

Wasn't Australia a giant prison island a couple centuries ago? I would settle down...

 

[TheBat812]

Or that's an easy route society likes to take. I don't believe people are born good or bad. The genes may dictate the color of the eyes, the body formation of the baby etc but not the type of his character at all.

Some people just snap like the school shootings and some external factor or conditioning has triggered that behavior.

If you've ever taken a basic anthropology class, you know that people are a combination of nature and nurture. Such is likely the case here.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I'm not saying all sociopaths kill. Most don't for legal reasons and self-preservation. Some are content to manipulate others in their private world. But some sociopaths kill and they were probably born to kill, because being a sociopath is not something you learn. You either are one from birth or you're not. Do you understand my point now? And not all murderers are sociopaths either of course. But someone killing a complete stranger because they're "bored" screams sociopath.

There's a huge difference between manipulating and killing. Being a sociopath didn't help but saying it was ONLY because they were sociopaths is oversimplifying matters. I doubt profilers go "oh, he's a sociopath - it must be him." Its more complicated than a one word answer. Also is there any evidence that all sociopaths want to kill or is that just a guess? Point being saying "oh born evil" is completely missing the point and going for the easy way out. Life is more complicated than that.

 

[Figs]

^or people are just born evil is that not possible

Personally I don't believe people are born good or bad.

As for the talk about Sociopaths. I agree that not all of them kill. I know most people might disagree with me on this, but I believe it's just another sign of how desensitized we our as a society. I'm not a ultra conservative either.

 

[Destructus86]

What do you expect when nearly half the music black children listen to is about murder and drugs? And don't tell me it has no impact because guess what...they ain't listening to Britney Spears when they are doing a drive by. They listen to music that encourages those dark attitudes. The lack or real parential guidance doesn't help.

 

[Destructus86]

Personally I don't believe people are born good or bad.

As for the talk about Sociopaths. I agree that not all of them kill. I know most people might disagree with me on this, but I believe it's just another sign of how desensitized we our as a society. I'm not a ultra conservative either.

I agree with desensitization and i'm not a big conservative either. But i'm not stupid. If you listen to songs about murdering people all the time it's just going to push you into that life even more so than you might be inclinded to be. Why?

Because it glamorizes it...and this may be really hard for people outside of the hoods to understand, but when you are dirty poor and you got these rich dudes rapping about how they got all this ice and how much money they've got and how they just capped a couple guys and got away with it you can BET that life is gonna sound way better than the crappy day in and day out struggle they got right now.

 

[TheBat812]

We're the kids even black? I haven't heard anything about what race they are. Nor do I think killing somebody randomly for fun fits with your theory very well. Sounds more like something a bunch of call of duty obsessed kids would want to do.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

There's a huge difference between manipulating and killing.

Where did I say there wasn't?!

I'm not saying all sociopaths kill. Most don't for legal reasons and self-preservation. Some are content to manipulate others in their private world. But some sociopaths kill and they were probably born to kill, because being a sociopath is not something you learn. You either are one from birth or you're not. Do you understand my point now? And not all murderers are sociopaths either of course. But someone killing a complete stranger because they're "bored" screams sociopath.

How could I have made that any clearer? I'm not comparing manipulation to killing. I was illustrating a contrast between the vast majority of sociopaths and the few who act on their most base impulses and kill.

Being a sociopath didn't help but saying it was ONLY because they were sociopaths is oversimplifying matters. I doubt profilers to "oh, he's a sociopath - it must be him." Its more complicated than a one word answer. Also is there any evidence that all sociopaths want to kill or is that just a guess? Point being saying "oh born evil" is completely missing the point and going for the easy way out. Life is more complicated than that.

I'm not saying there isn't. But I don't think there's any positive reinforcement or nurturing circumstances that would have prevented sociopaths like Eric Harris and Ted Bundy from eventually going on their killing sprees. They didn't act out of anger, like some people embittered and twisted by poor life circumstances do, but pleasure like people completely devoid of empathy do. These kids shot a complete stranger because "they were bored." That's not like stabbing a kid during a gang-fight or a murder of passion. That was casual and cold. I'm sorry, maybe there are other factors, but just based on the description of the crime itself he sounds like a sociopath. Normal people, even those who have had a terrible upbringing, don't do that unless they have underlying mental problems.

 

[terry78]

What do you expect when nearly half the music black children listen to is about murder and drugs? And don't tell me it has no impact because guess what...they ain't listening to Britney Spears when they are doing a drive by. They listen to music that encourages those dark attitudes. The lack or real parential guidance doesn't help.

Where did you hear they were black?