Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

Schlosser85 said:
It's the same way I feel about Cameron's director's cut of Aliens. The revelation added in about Ripley losing her daughter gives so much extra context and meaning to her bonding with Newt at the expense of, what, adding like two minutes to the runtime?
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Yes, I agree with that. :up:
 
Possibly unpopular opinion: I think Sigourney is bad-ass and cool and all, but she’s not that great of an actress. Her scene with the company board for example, she’s overwrought and she has a tendency toward these weird line deliveries where she doesn’t sound like she’s sure how to deliver them.

She’s better in her scenes with Newt though.
 
As regards to the action over the films.

I feel what separates the action set pieces from the first two films and the latter ones is the sense of suspense and anticipation in the build-up to the action. For the most part nowadays you're in a scene with dialogue, and then Bam! Your in an action scene. This method feels like its done as a jolt, or for the shock factor to keep the audience on their toes.

And then when it comes to the action, those of yesteryear were more reliant on practical effects and doing things for real, whereas now it's cheaper, safer and easier to just shoot in front of a green screen. But in doing so you lose the realness and atmosphere, I feel, as well as the feel of natural physics.

Having said that the CGI work in T2, carried on from the Abyss was groundbreaking.

This can all pretty much also be contributed to most films of yesteryear compared to those of the more recent and modern era's.
 
Schlosser85 said:
I prefer the extended edition of T2. It's not a huge difference, but I like the Michael Biehn cameo, plus including the scene where T-1000 goes outside and sees John lied about the dog's name gives more explanation why he wasn't just waiting at the house for him, and it gives slightly more character development for Dyson.
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I do too, and if you really want to go all "scorched earth" on every sequel that came after T2, there was another cut with an alternate ending that was unlocked via an easter egg on the Special Edition DVD from back in the day. It's a little cheesy but it does give a sense of finality.

 
Drizzle said:
I do too, and if you really want to go all "scorched earth" on every sequel that came after T2, there was another cut with an alternate ending that was unlocked via an easter egg on the Special Edition DVD from back in the day. It's a little cheesy but it does give a sense of finality.

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I've seen that before, and while I do think the series should have ended with T2, that scene's a little too cheesy IMO. I prefer the way the movie ends with them just driving off into an uncertain but more hopeful future.
 
Schlosser85 said:
I've seen that before, and while I do think the series should have ended with T2, that scene's a little too cheesy IMO. I prefer the way the movie ends with them just driving off into an uncertain but more hopeful future.
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Yes, as did Cameron. So second movie ends on a hopeful, yet ambiguous, note. We don't know for certain that Judgement Day has been averted. But even if it hasn't, there's at least hope there's at least some good left in humanity and a better future is still worth fighting for. John's connection with a Terminator taught a machine the value of human life.

IMHO, it's more in line with the ending of the first movie, or at least, a good progression of the first film's ending. There's no idyllic peaceful ending. But there's at least still some hope for the good guys.

Not to mention, the original Terminator operated under time travel as a causal loop. The act of time travel itself causes the predestined ending Skynet is trying to avert. Terminator 2's current ending at least gives the story an out that time cannot be averted or changed.
 
PepS said:
As regards to the action over the films.

I feel what separates the action set pieces from the first two films and the latter ones is the sense of suspense and anticipation in the build-up to the action. For the most part nowadays you're in a scene with dialogue, and then Bam! Your in an action scene. This method feels like its done as a jolt, or for the shock factor to keep the audience on their toes.

And then when it comes to the action, those of yesteryear were more reliant on practical effects and doing things for real, whereas now it's cheaper, safer and easier to just shoot in front of a green screen. But in doing so you lose the realness and atmosphere, I feel, as well as the feel of natural physics.

Having said that the CGI work in T2, carried on from the Abyss was groundbreaking.

This can all pretty much also be contributed to most films of yesteryear compared to those of the more recent and modern era's.
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For me, I love the cinematography. It's beautiful. You can see everything. There's no bad shaky cam. Despite all the groundbreaking CGI with the T-1000, a lot of the action scenes are done practically and in-camera, like the highway chopper sequence. Everything looks real and feels real. It's something action films today are lacking. Movies try so hard to be "grounded" and yet they look the exact opposite.
 
Drizzle said:
I do too, and if you really want to go all "scorched earth" on every sequel that came after T2, there was another cut with an alternate ending that was unlocked via an easter egg on the Special Edition DVD from back in the day. It's a little cheesy but it does give a sense of finality.

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With everything that came after, I kinda wish Cameron left that alternate ending. Would have given the series a sense of closure
 
GREEN =w= DAY said:
With everything that came after, I kinda wish Cameron left that alternate ending. Would have given the series a sense of closure
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As cheesy as it is, I prefer that ending for John as opposed to him getting shotgun blasted in the chest in Dark Fate. But let's be real, the reason why Cameron changed that ending is because it closes the door on potential sequels.
 
TheVileOne said:
For me, I love the cinematography. It's beautiful. You can see everything. There's no bad shaky cam. Despite all the groundbreaking CGI with the T-1000, a lot of the action scenes are done practically and in-camera, like the highway chopper sequence. Everything looks real and feels real. It's something action films today are lacking. Movies try so hard to be "grounded" and yet they look the exact opposite.
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I agree. I miss being able to see what the heck is going on. Doing stuff for real also just adds that extra authenticity. The stunts don't have to be over the top that only CGI can achieve, they just have to feel real.
 
Scarlet Spider said:
Happy 30th Anniversary T2!

Cameron's masterpiece. One of the greatest films of all time. It changed cinema forever.

Man, 30 years.
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Its quite astonishing that the movie was made over thirty years ago and most of its VFX still holds up today and puts many modern movies to shame. Cameron was truly ahead of his time, and that’s why he’s one of the best filmmakers of all time.
 
Re-watched this not too long ago and it definitely holds up IMO which is astonishing given how long ago it came out, but I honestly don't think this film will ever age just like many 90's classics that were ahead of their time.

Damn they just don't make them like this anymore.
 
KaijuDude1992 said:
Re-watched this not too long ago and it definitely holds up IMO which is astonishing given how long ago it came out, but I honestly don't think this film will ever age just like many 90's classics that were ahead of their time.

Damn they just don't make them like this anymore.
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How could they?The budget would be twice as expensive today.
 
Mysteryman said:
How could they?The budget would be twice as expensive today.
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True, although I'm not just talking about the quality of the CGI, but the action set pieces aswell like the motor bike chase at the beginning or the helicopter sequence towards the end.

I don't know maybe its because I'm getting older, but damn do I miss the days where they actually did big, dangerous looking stunts practically and didn't depend so heavily on greenscreens.

That's the kind of stuff they could still do today aswell, but they don't for some reason and I honestly feel like its because Hollywood has become so cheap and lazy over the years.
 
KaijuDude1992 said:
True, although I'm not just talking about the quality of the CGI, but the action set pieces aswell like the motor bike chase at the beginning or the helicopter sequence towards the end.

I don't know maybe its because I'm getting older, but damn do I miss the days where they actually did big, dangerous looking stunts practically and didn't depend so heavily on greenscreens.

That's the kind of stuff they could still do today aswell, but they don't for some reason and I honestly feel like its because Hollywood has become so cheap and lazy over the years.
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You know who I REALLY feel bad for?
Jonathan Mostow.
The poor bastard had to folllowup T2 with a bad script and poor VFX!
 
Thing is, I don't get how green screen has become so prevalent. They use it for everything.. is it really cheaper? quicker, in the scheme of things? But the issue for me, the laws of physics win every time and what looks cool on screen thanks to cgi, you just know it's cgi, there is something real life just cannot be replicated.

Superman the movie, his cape, whilst visually not as appealing as the MOS flowing cgi cape, you know it's real and how real capes react.

Batman89, coming down, you know he is on a wire, but it looks so much better than batman jumping 25 ft and landing with no force.. thanks Whedon.

Kotcs jungle scene compared to snakes and a sheet of glass. There has to be a happy medium.
 
Mysteryman said:
You know who I REALLY feel bad for?
Jonathan Mostow.
The poor bastard had to folllowup T2 with a bad script and poor VFX!
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Just rewatched that one recently aswell and while I enjoyed it when I was younger it hasn't aged well at all, especially the corny jokes and the CGI, but man do I still love that highway chase sequence.

It sucks that the rest of the movie can't live up to that scene, but sadly I would still take that over like 90-95% of stuff we get big, budget action movies nowadays.
 
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