Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don’t think we’d ever see Arnold be the villain again. Unless I’m missing something, the original Terminator is literally the only movie he’s ever been the bad guy.

And there in could lie the problem. They need to change things up a bit.

 

[Schlosser85]

What they really need to do is stop exhuming a franchise that ended in 1992.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

As much as I hated the movie, at least Terminator Salvation did attempt to be somewhat different. Even if it devolved into some of the same crap at the end. But to these movies that keep trying to be Terminator 2, I just don't get why you would try to invite that type of comparison. Why do you want to constantly be like a movie that's better than yours? You're never going to win that type of scenario. People are never going to be as interested. They really need to rethink their strategy with this series. I think Terminator Salvation was closer to what the series needed to do, though the end result was a piece of garbage. But had that come up with a compelling movie in its own right, then I think it would have been huge

With Salvation they did have the basis of a compelling movie for me. They just messed up big time giving a movie like to director like ****ing McG

 

[Spider-Fan]

With Salvation they did have the basis of a compelling movie for me. They just messed up big time giving a movie like to director like ****ing McG

Oh that was definitely a botched decision no doubt. But this series has struggled with what to do with John Connor post judgement day. Terminator Salvation was especially egregious in this regard. Just the fact that the original ending to that movie involved killing him shows the fault of the filmmaker mentality in regards to the character. I can see the problem in the fact that the character has to live up to the legend. But simply removing the puzzle solves nothing. If you think handling the character of John Connor is too difficult, then have a story that doesn't focus on him so much. That or, you know, go make a movie that is not Terminator.

 

[Schlosser85]

Oh that was definitely a botched decision no doubt. But this series has struggled with what to do with John Connor post judgement day. Terminator Salvation was especially egregious in this regard. Just the fact that the original ending to that movie involved killing him shows the fault of the filmmaker mentality in regards to the character. I can see the problem in the fact that the character has to live up to the legend. But simply removing the puzzle solves nothing. If you think handling the character of John Connor is too difficult, then have a story that doesn't focus on him so much. That or, you know, go make a movie that is not Terminator.

He was originally basically only supposed to have a cameo. They bumped up his screentime because Christian Bale wouldn't sign on unless they did. So they shoehorned in exciting scenes of him....sitting around a basement.

 

[terry78]

Salvation scared them out of going outside their bubble. Maybe nowadays we could get a series or something about the future war. Lord knows they have the money to do it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He was originally basically only supposed to have a cameo. They bumped up his screentime because Christian Bale wouldn't sign on unless they did. So they shoehorned in exciting scenes of him....sitting around a basement.

Oh don't forget the amazing part where he confronts terrible CGI Arnold. Let's not forget that piece of cinematic gold

 

[MadVillainy]

I don’t think we’d ever see Arnold be the villain again. Unless I’m missing something, the original Terminator is literally the only movie he’s ever been the bad guy.

Ice to meet you...

But even then he was sympathetic and had a redemption.
Yeah I think Arnold doesn't want to play the villain again.

Oh that was definitely a botched decision no doubt. But this series has struggled with what to do with John Connor post judgement day. Terminator Salvation was especially egregious in this regard. Just the fact that the original ending to that movie involved killing him shows the fault of the filmmaker mentality in regards to the character. I can see the problem in the fact that the character has to live up to the legend. But simply removing the puzzle solves nothing. If you think handling the character of John Connor is too difficult, then have a story that doesn't focus on him so much. That or, you know, go make a movie that is not Terminator.

Yeah I really never got why they thought it'd be a smart idea to release the future war movie with John not being the focus. And you're right about that weird ending.

 

[Schlosser85]

Ice to meet you...

But even then he was sympathetic and had a redemption.
Yeah I think Arnold doesn't want to play the villain again.

Yeah I really never got why they thought it'd be a smart idea to release the future war movie with John not being the focus. And you're right about that weird ending.

Can't believe I forgot Mr. Freeze ::

 

[DyeLorean]

James Cameron liked Rise of the Machines at the time and he also spoke good things about Genisys aswell. He has backtracked from both statements. I'd say you can't trust his a**.

 

[Schlosser85]

Cameron has been done with this franchise since 1992, so he probably just says nice things as a favor to his friend Arnold.

 

[MadVillainy]

James Cameron liked Rise of the Machines at the time and he also spoke good things about Genisys aswell. He has backtracked from both statements. I'd say you can't trust his a**.

Yeah Cameron's words never held true for this series after he left. THat's why it didn't mean anything to me to hear that he was coming back in whatever capacity

 

[Spider-Fan]

James Cameron is a producer on this movie, so he will no doubt when asked say good things about it. That said, his approval is not necessarily make or break for me. I am not a sheep, so I don't need James Cameron to think for me. I can recognize a good or bad movie on my own. Unless James Cameron wants to come take over my body and start living my life for me. That's why I never get too wrapped up in what the filmmakers or the people involved think. At the end of the day I have to live my own life, so the only opinion that matters to me is my own. That is not to say a compelling argument cannot sway my opinion one way or the other, but at the end of the day it is my opinion that I value.

Back to relating this to Terminator, I just couldn't care less whether or not James Cameron like this movie. If he did, that's great for him. If he is saying he did publicly but privately he hates it, then good for him. Neither position sways me

 

[Schlosser85]

My best guess would be he probably doesn't give a **** about it one way or another.

 

[MadVillainy]

James Cameron is a producer on this movie, so he will no doubt when asked say good things about it. That said, his approval is not necessarily make or break for me. I am not a sheep, so I don't need James Cameron to think for me. I can recognize a good or bad movie on my own. Unless James Cameron wants to come take over my body and start living my life for me. That's why I never get too wrapped up in what the filmmakers or the people involved think. At the end of the day I have to live my own life, so the only opinion that matters to me is my own. That is not to say a compelling argument cannot sway my opinion one way or the other, but at the end of the day it is my opinion that I value.

This is a huge stretch.
You're not being a "sheep" if someone's words gets you excited for something.

 

[kguillou]

I cant believe they thought Natalia Reyes was a strong enough actress to carry the future of the franchise on. Boy did she stink up this movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is a huge stretch.
You're not being a "sheep" if someone's words gets you excited for something.

I'm not really focusing on whether or not it makes you excited for the buildup of something. Where I draw an issue is when you try to use that as evidence for something's inherent quality. There are plenty I am sure in the years to come when debating this movie versus Terminator 3 that will say well James Cameron was involved in this one and it had his blessing so it's the true sequel. All too often the opinions of filmmakers and celebrities are heralded as being the end-all-be-all about whether something was correct or not. It brings me back to the whole Mark Hamill and Jake Skywalker thing. Just because Mark Hamill may disagree with something doesn't mean that we all should bend the knee and take his opinion is fact. That is more what I am countering

 

[terry78]

Should I feel bad for thinking that "take over my body line" was an Avatar reference

 

[Spider-Fan]

Should I feel bad for thinking that "take over my body line" was an Avatar reference

Well, he has the technology

 

[Sithborg]

I cant believe they thought Natalia Reyes was a strong enough actress to carry the future of the franchise on. Boy did she stink up this movie.

She is better than the previous choices...

 

[DarkKnight88]

I think this low opening has less to do with the movie itself, and more to do with the stink and damage that Genysis left on this franchise four years ago.

Had Salvation been the last Terminator movie in a decade, this would’ve opened much larger.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

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Sorry if this was already posted but I agree with him. Start of the movie pissed me off. I really didn’t like this movie and I just wish they will be done with this franchise. I’m just going act like this franchise ended with T2.


Also, the interview that he did with the Hollywood Reporter goes into detail on why he did that scene, and it tells me he doesn’t know what he is doing with this franchise...

'Terminator' Director on Linda Hamilton's Key Moment and John Connor's Secret Role

 

[Kane52630]

 

[kguillou]

I think this low opening has less to do with the movie itself, and more to do with the stink and damage that Genysis left on this franchise four years ago.

Had Salvation been the last Terminator movie in a decade, this would’ve opened much larger.

Correct. People do not want another Terminator. Even if this movie ended up being amazing it still wouldve opened low. The franchise needs to go on ice for a long long time and I say this as someone who actually liked this movie.

 

[PhasedPlasma101]

Mackenzie Davis is the worst part of this movie, the first scenes notwithstanding. Her acting was awful, she was a snarky annoying know-it-all who couldn't even keep her **** together for an hour before needing her faux insulin. WTF was that? She overacted in her facial expressions so much I was laughing, I did not buy her heroism at all outside maybe her body type.

Linda's first scene was awesome! Then..she descended into a caricature of Sarah, complete with some distracting wild hyena stares that were a bit much. Everyone essentially overacted, even though Dani Ramos was the best of the three, she was most likable and authentic-feeling.

The stuff with Arnold's T-800...it was entertaining, amusing and satisfying to see Arnold in the movie but that's just not Terminator. Arnold has some humorous moments sprinkled into T-2 but seeing as this is a direct sequel, the tonality shift from the disposition of Arnold's Terminator was just...no.

The final action sequences were corny as hell. Jeez, this movie basically gets everything wrong for me. I did like the setting, Mexico is a very important part of the Terminator mythos.