Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Hunter Rider]

Watching the trailer again I really like the shot of Luna's Terminator morphing onto the hood of the truck, and the plane sequence looks fine in concept, it just needs a big polish. I think the random, structureless way the trailer was cut didn't help, and the music is a huge issue, I'm hoping to see someone take the trailer and edit in Fiedel's classic theme and see how it feels then.

This definitely feels like they want to do what was done last year with Halloween, but when that first trailer dropped they hit all the right notes with the hardcores and even a casual fan like me, here they missed the mark but I don't think it looks as crushingly awful as some reactions are making out, there's enough there for me to want to see what a second trailer has to show.

I think so. One is very bulky and the other is in endoskeleton form.

Watching it again you're right, that's Arnie in the underwater fight.

I think the last thing Terminator should ever be criticized for is having female heroes. I mean, the entire franchise is mostly known for centering around being a launching point for female action heroes in major movies. So, not a valid critique IMO.

Really? I mean don't get me wrong I don't care about the female hero aspect or any of that, but I think Ripley was the launching pad for the female hero, Sarah isn't really a full on badass until T2 in my view, where as Ripley was the undoubted hero in Alien and Aliens..

This is a thought and view of 'overall' film making, not just this trailer, but how is CGI looking progressively worse as the years (and months pass in some cases) than that presented nearly 30 years ago, I don't get it.

Lots of people have answered but my 2 cents are that too many films use lazy amounts of it instead of shooting stuff in camera that doesn't need CGI, thus the SFX house has too many shots to do and it becomes quantity over quality. I know everyone hates Bay but he's a master of using CGI mixed with as much in camera action as possible, when you watch the BTS stuff on even his much maligned Transformer movies it's amazing how much he shoots for real and the tangible quality it adds.

The other thing is that while CGI has improved so has the craft of stunt work, with great advancements in regards to rigs and gimbals that allow for some incredible real stunts, and you see it in stuff like the recent Mission Impossible films, John Wick 3 and Fury Road, where there are CGI additions to add scope but the bulk is real stunt work shot in camera, and no matter how good CGI gets you can't beat that IMO.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Really? I mean don't get me wrong I don't care about the female hero aspect or any of that, but I think Ripley was the launching pad for the female hero, Sarah isn't really a full on badass until T2 in my view, where as Ripley was the undoubted hero in Alien and Aliens..

Agreed, but I didn't say she was the launching point. But she certainly was one of them.

 

[Kane52630]

Arnold was on Reddit earlier today...

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know... Davis doesn't seem like a normal human being. Someone like that hitting a creature with a solid steet skeleton with a big honking piece of metal... Yeah I don't see the issue with him flipping over.

The trailer was ok. Miller does action very well, I just would like to know more specifics... But it was a teaser so... Gonna have to wait.

I think it's more the way he looks clearly to be twirling on a wire rig that is jarring, in theory him flyingbackwards from the hit isn't an issue.

Agreed, but I didn't say she was the launching point. But she certainly was one of them.

Fair enough, I mean if I was list the 3 standouts that got the ball rolling over 2 decades, sadly it took that long, it would be Ripley, Sarah Connor and Trinity.

 

[TheVileOne]

James Cameron says Terminator: Dark Fate IS RATED R

James Cameron confirms R-rating.

I guess there's this at least.

 

[DarkKnight88]

This might be the only franchise to have four alternate Part 3s.

 

[Sithborg]

I do like the 2-in-1 concept of Luna's Terminator.

 

[I Am The Knight]

So I'm hoping that Davis is going to be the face of this franchise now because she's absolutely selling this "badass enhanced chick, whatever-she-is" character. And I'm also hoping that the guy playing the Terminator surprises me with the next trailer.

 

[DyeLorean]

Watching the trailer again I really like the shot of Luna's Terminator morphing onto the hood of the truck

There's a very similar shot in Genisys (also in the first trailer) with the T-1000 on the hood in the same position, jumping and all.

 

[newfoundlander]

So big question is wheres John Connor? Why is Sarah Connor around? Why is this new person so important? Cameron said something along the lines of Judgement Day wasnt stopped, they just "kicked the can down the street" I suspect that John is actually dead. They kicked the can years down the road and life just "carried on" people who should have died in OG Judgement Day lived an extra 20 years and met a new fate. Who's to say John got to live his post 98(og judgement day was in 1998 right?) life... and just, died naturally.. or accidentally. The inevetiablity of Judgement Day means it will always happen.... but if it got postponed say 40 years, theres no guarantee that any of our heroes from the 90s would be around to save the day.

So, maybe there is no John Connor in this future war? And this new characters "Dark Fate" is to inherit the mantle of savior. And Sarah Connor and her T800 buddy (who comes fr this new timeline) is just waiting for that new person to come along to protect.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think Judgment Day was 1997.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Rewatched the trailer again and all that flying in slo-mo, superhero poses, slo-mo closeups are annoying as hell. What the **** has happened to action films............

 

[newfoundlander]

I think Judgment Day was 1997.

Thanks been forever since Ive seen T2

 

[Lencho01]

I was expecting Arnold to be called “Pops.”

 

[P Supreme]

The main excitement I did have for Salvation was that it was post-Judgement Day and it was the Future War. Then McG screwed it all up.

and how you screw up landing Bale as John Conner

 

[I Am The Knight]

Not to mention the incident with the lights

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Christian Bale was really not emotionally into the role. He didn't want to do it. McG persuaded him to, and Bale liked the old films and probably felt he needed to sell himself as a movie star now that he was Batman. I also recall McG sort of begged him into it by like giving him a chance at all, and Bale had been in similar place before in wanting that chance to prove himself.

Also, John Connor was not written to be the lead of the story as we all know. it still shows in the final product.

They really needed a Page 1 rewrite.

 

[Hunter Rider]

There's a very similar shot in Genisys (also in the first trailer) with the T-1000 on the hood in the same position, jumping and all.

That from the first part of the film with Byung Lee right? Y'know even though that is my least favourite Terminator movie I think Byung Lee was a great fit for a Terminator and the best one since Robert Patrick's T-1000

 

[Deck Rickard]

Genysis gave us a good trailer?

You mean this one?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Rewatched the trailer again and all that flying in slo-mo, superhero poses, slo-mo closeups are annoying as hell. What the **** has happened to action films............

I like slow-mo personally, especially over kinetic editing, but all of that aside the posing stuff has always been part of the action genre from the 80's, Arnie, Sly, JCVD did it multiple times in every movie.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I actually like Salvation. And if this film is good, Salvation will still be part of my head canon.

T3, and Genisys on the other hand, were absolute dog ****. They can rot in hell.

I am pretty stoked about this film though. Can't wait to see if it redeems the franchise.

 

[-JKR-]

Genysis gave us a good trailer?

Color me confused, as well. "Genisys" never looked good to me. "Terminator Salvation," on the other hand, tricked me with that "The Day The World Went Away" trailer and Christian Bale's intensity.

 

[Stringer]

Gabriel Luna the Rev 9 is more the equivalent of Robert Patrick: the liquid metal,shapeshifting T-1000 (was just a bland killing machine)
Mackenzie Davis is more analogues to the T2 Schwarzenegger role.

Plus you know we have Schwarzenegger in the film, so nobody should be aping his role, or character, we have the real deal, and the very human Linda Hamilton for character driven arc passing the mantle.
Luna Rev 9 isn't supposed to be jokey and fun with a great grim personality, he's supposed to be devoid of one , how do people get this so wrong! WTF,?

You seem to forget that Arnold Schwarzenegger originally played the emotionless titular villain in the first one. As much as I loved it, Michael Beihn and Linda Hamilton didn't get butts in those seats. Constantly avoiding and making what should be a star making role into a forgettable one is a constant mistake they keep making with these movies.

 

[P Supreme]

Rewatched the trailer again and all that flying in slo-mo, superhero poses, slo-mo closeups are annoying as hell. What the **** has happened to action films............

I attribute that to Miller but surprised is in it since Cameron craps on superhero movies

 

[Deck Rickard]

Color me confused, as well. "Genisys" never looked good to me. "Terminator Salvation," on the other hand, tricked me with that "The Day The World Went Away" trailer and Christian Bale's intensity.

Yeah. I SO wanted Salvation to be good, because it wasn't the same old "send a Terminator back in time" plot, and because Bale seemed like perfect casting. And honestly, he was perfect casting. It was an awful script and **** director that ruined him in that movie.