Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[DyeLorean]

I don't get a Genisys vibe from this at all.

To be fair, it also doesn't look a direct sequel to T2.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Am I the only one who's getting kind of tired of these movies that are basically the same movie, only throwing in characters from the original movie in Mentor roles and calling it a sequel? This just does nothing for me. This wave of nostalgia movies are starting to do nothing for me. Why can't we do something more original with the sequels? I may just skip this movie entirely. It just looks like a waste of time

 

[Micromind]

Am I the only one who's getting kind of tired of these movies that are basically the same movie, only throwing in characters from the original movie in Mentor roles and calling it a sequel? This just does nothing for me.

I think Terminator, Predator and Alien franchises have become unoriginal, repetitive and boring. They should just stop.

 

[Zantera]

I thought this new trailer looked decent, in fact if this was the first trailer they would release i would probably feel more hyped. Yet, similar to some how of you guys feel, I can't shake the feeling that what we're in for is ultimately gonna be a safe and generic 2 hour action movie with explosions, "tough" one-liners, references to old movies and play on nostalgia and ultimately something we'll forget a few weeks after it's released. With many of these sequels or reboots or continuations of old classic franchises it just feels to me like even the people behind it don't understand what made it great in the first place. I'm sure Tim Miller was a huge fan of T1 and T2 just as the rest of us, and Cameron is involved, yet most of what we've seen looks like it could be just about anyone making the movie.

Upon my most recent rewatch of T2 I realized there's a lot of small elements that make that movie great. If you set aside the big pieces like the actors, the story, set pieces, costume design and effects, there's just a lot of cool small things that stick with you. Just if you take the deaths for example. When the T1000 disguised as the foster mother answers the phone and then switches hand with the phone and kills the foster dad, it's shot in a way that makes the scene quite memorable and different. Same at the mental hospital with the guard at the coffee machine with how the T1000 emerges from the floor and takes his shape. I guess what i'm getting at is there's a creativity to HOW these things were shot, it wasn't just "hey we need to kill this guy lets just do it" in a flat shot.

The cinematography is another big thing like T2 has a distinct look with how everything looks kinda grey/blue and to me (whether intentional or not) that made me think of the exterior of the terminator and I always thought that movie looked really cool and unique and it was a subtle thing that I appreciated. I'm not sure if T6 will be PG13 or R but I feel like the harder edge really helped T1 and T2 stand out. The kills really felt more memorable and more horrifying and in a movie where killer robots from the future takes out people I think that's what you need.

 

[terry78]

They're usually just excuses to do a passing of the torch to subtly reboot the franchise.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm sure when the rating comes in, this movie will be rated R. But this still looks more like super mega Kung Fu style R then it does the type of edge that the first Terminator movies had. Looks far too much like a superhero movie

 

[Kane52630]

Jesus effing christ, can this forum get any more ridiculous? There is a balance between telling us nothing, and telling us everything about a movie in a trailer. It shouldn't have to be said for crying out loud. It's either one extreme or another in here sometimes and it pisses me the **** off.

Take a hint, my guy. They told you in the trailer the bare necessities of who she is without spoiling anything. We should be glad they didn't give us those spoiler filled trailers like in Genisys and Salvation.

But I guess you would love that...

 

[Zorro]

I still love the franchise and am interested in this as a popcorn action movie but fully expecting this to get 50-60% on Rotten Tomatoes at most and flop at the box office after a decent opening weekend!

They really should have waited for a T2 sequel until now and like I've said before, limit the franchise to comics and video games. T1&T2 should have been it and the Sarah Connor Chronicles show as the last live action Terminator besides the T2: 3D Ride and Stunt Show at Universal Studios

 

[DarkKnight88]

Am I the only one who's getting kind of tired of these movies that are basically the same movie, only throwing in characters from the original movie in Mentor roles and calling it a sequel? This just does nothing for me. This wave of nostalgia movies are starting to do nothing for me. Why can't we do something more original with the sequels? I may just skip this movie entirely. It just looks like a waste of time

Not for me.

I'd much prefer a Creed or a Force Awakens or a Blade Runner 2049 over a 2012's Total Recall or a 2014's RoboCop or a 2016's Ghostbusters.

 

[DyeLorean]

Upon my most recent rewatch of T2 I realized there's a lot of small elements that make that movie great. If you set aside the big pieces like the actors, the story, set pieces, costume design and effects, there's just a lot of cool small things that stick with you. Just if you take the deaths for example. When the T1000 disguised as the foster mother answers the phone and then switches hand with the phone and kills the foster dad, it's shot in a way that makes the scene quite memorable and different. Same at the mental hospital with the guard at the coffee machine with how the T1000 emerges from the floor and takes his shape. I guess what i'm getting at is there's a creativity to HOW these things were shot, it wasn't just "hey we need to kill this guy lets just do it" in a flat shot.

The cinematography is another big thing like T2 has a distinct look with how everything looks kinda grey/blue and to me (whether intentional or not) that made me think of the exterior of the terminator and I always thought that movie looked really cool and unique and it was a subtle thing that I appreciated. I'm not sure if T6 will be PG13 or R but I feel like the harder edge really helped T1 and T2 stand out. The kills really felt more memorable and more horrifying and in a movie where killer robots from the future takes out people I think that's what you need.

I think you nailed it with the cinematography bit. That's what I meant with the "It doesn't look like a T1/T2 sequel". I said this during Genisys too, it lacks that horror vibe that the first two movies had. The series kept moving towards action when it still should've kept one foot on the horror/suspense aspects of both T1 and T2. If I think about it objectively, that's why I enjoy those movies so much more than any of the other ones.
(To be fair to the sequels, the only other time I felt like they achieved that, at least for a little bit, was the warehouse sequence in Genisys when the endoskeleton attacks Jai Courtney. That scene was actually really good).

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not for me.

I'd much prefer a Creed or a Force Awakens or a Blade Runner 2049 over a 2012's Total Recall or a 2014's RoboCop or a 2016's Ghostbusters.

What you just mentioned are all remakes. I am talking about sequels that actually advance the universe as opposed to telling the same basic story. I actually think Blade Runner 2049 is a great example of what I wish more of these would be. That did something drastically different from the original Blade Runner. Unlike say The Force Awakens or this new Terminator. Please stop these nostalgia fluff pieces and start giving me movies of substance if you're going to make a sequel

 

[OutOfBoose]

What you just mentioned are all remakes. I am talking about sequels that actually advance the universe as opposed to telling the same basic story. I actually think Blade Runner 2049 is a great example of what I wish more of these would be. That did something drastically different from the original Blade Runner. Unlike say The Force Awakens or this new Terminator. Please stop these nostalgia fluff pieces and start giving me movies of substance if you're going to make a sequel

BR49 still injected unnecessary cameo of the "old mentor", which I believe made the film worse both narrative and pacing wise. BR49 is still much better than any of the "nostalgia sequels" mentioned above, but I wish it was an all timer. Because it came really close to being one.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm sure when the rating comes in, this movie will be rated R. But this still looks more like super mega Kung Fu style R then it does the type of edge that the first Terminator movies had. Looks far too much like a superhero movie

What "edge" does T2 have? Fairly certain that only is R because of language. Yes, the movie is digitally shot, thus looks like a modern day movie instead of a 90's flick. And I have bad news if you think Cameron would avoid CG back then...

 

[DarkKnight88]

What "edge" does T2 have? Fairly certain that only is R because of language.

Um.

 

[Schlosser85]

That shouldn't really even require an explanation.

 

[Sithborg]

That shouldn't really even require an explanation.

When such a vague term is used, it sure can help. Because clearly my view of "edge" is different. Even that scene isn't exactly what I consider edgey.

 

[Stringer]

What's allowed for PG-13 may have changed over the years, but T2 definitely isn't a movie that every kid under the age of 17 should be able to walk into willy nilly.

 

[Schlosser85]

What's allowed for PG-13 may have changed over the years, but T2 definitely isn't a movie that every kid under the age of 17 should be able to walk into willy nilly.

Eh kids walk willy nilly into movies as or more violent than T2. The first Terminator is more edgy than T2 IMO, and also had a couple sex scenes, with the roommate and her boyfriend and later Sarah/Reese.

 

[Spider-Fan]

BR49 still injected unnecessary cameo of the "old mentor", which I believe made the film worse both narrative and pacing wise. BR49 is still much better than any of the "nostalgia sequels" mentioned above, but I wish it was an all timer. Because it came really close to being one.

I actually agree with you on including Harrison Ford in that movie. It is the weakest element of that movie by far, but everything else in it works really well. So it being there doesn't bother me as much. I never felt like it was a carbon copy

What "edge" does T2 have? Fairly certain that only is R because of language. Yes, the movie is digitally shot, thus looks like a modern day movie instead of a 90's flick. And I have bad news if you think Cameron would avoid CG back then...

As posted above, there is the nuclear bomb scene, somebody gets spiked through the mouth and it doesn't look cartoony. It looks like a superhero film here

 

[Ninjablade]

T2 also has the scene where Arnie cuts the skin off his exoskeleton which is pretty gruesome looking.

 

[dark_b]

you can count for 5 minutes scenes that are 100% R rated in T2. come on.

 

[terry78]

Nowadays PG-13 has become too wide a valley regarding content. There are flicks with that rating that could clearly be PG and others where I'm like, why isn't this rated R?

 

[OutOfBoose]

you can count for 5 minutes scenes that are 100% R rated in T2. come on.

T2 feels more violent and gruesome than T1, despite being much less horror-like and having lesser body count. Vast majority of gore in T1 is related to damage done to T-800. Frequently we see violence happening off camera. T2, on the other hand, has people's faces impaled on blades, people burned alive in detail, Sarah smacking a guard in the face with a stick (still painful to watch despite the fella fully deserving that, it just looks too real), Dyson getting shredded, the arm reveal and other stuff .

Why TDF looks so cartoonish in comparison....

 

[terry78]

I'm going hunting
I'm the hunter


I had no idea that was a cover of a bjork song and now I can't stop laughing at it.

 

[Zantera]

I think when it comes to the R rating it's so much more than what some people dismiss it as, which is "its just some blood and an excuse for cursing". Personally I think it's more of the imagery and the atmosphere. You can show something horrifying for 2 seconds but with the right music and the right cinematography that scene will get stuck in your head and you will remember it. Like Arnold cutting off his skin and showing his metal arm might only be on the screen for 3-4 seconds but the gritty look of the scene and the reactions of the Dyson family (who all scream and cry in horror) makes it so memorable. I can't imagine a scene like that having the same impact in any of the sequels. If you do that in a PG-13 movie it just won't be as good.