Terminator: Genisys - Part 6

[Jay Beezy]

Same rules apply. Consciousness is just something the material brain does. It is part of the natural world and not separate from it.

DoFP and EoT are ok and good because theyre fiction, they are internally consistent which is good. I just laud Terminator 1 and Interstellar for doing things exactly right.

The difference between X-Men: DoFP and EoT compared to Terminator and Back to the Future is that the former two utilize more magical-fantasy elements to manipulate time. EoT had magical alien blood and the extent of Kitty's power is a mystery, whereas Terminator and Back to the Future are more based in science, presumably.

 

[Faora]

I don't know why, but this made me laugh really hard...

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Amazing).

 

[Ipodman]

I haven't been keeping up with any news on this movie, can someone please tell me what happened to Matt Smith? He doesn't seem to be in any of the trailers/posters

 

[Serpico Jones]

I haven't been keeping up with any news on this movie, can someone please tell me what happened to Matt Smith? He doesn't seem to be in any of the trailers/posters

His character is a surprise.

 

[terry78]

His character is a surprise.

I'm sure.

 

[R3M3D1]

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So Arnie did actually walk through the mirror and bus flip was actually done for real.

 

[Snow Queen]

....why the hell did they CG his face then?

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I always thought that a 3rd Terminator film should follow the rules of T-1 where the Judgement Day ends up happening, even though everyone tried to stop it, and John Connor was always going to be Kyle's son, instead of Kyle pretty much retconing his son out of existence and replacing him with a son of his oun that shares the same name as John.

That's what we ultimately got with the T3 that was made but it was hated because it went against the central theme of T2:

"The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."

 

[dark_b]

holly s... the bus flip was real?

 

[Jay Beezy]

That's what we ultimately got with the T3 that was made but it was hated because it went against the central theme of T2:

"The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."

I always thought that was naive mindset as one often meets fate on the road taken to avoid it.

 

[Lord]

That's what we ultimately got with the T3 that was made but it was hated because it went against the central theme of T2:

"The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."

But in T3 it shows that the future was still changed, which means Kyle still probably retconned the previous john connor out of existence. With the Judgement Day happening, i mean the original one that was set to happen in 1997.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Even as far back as T1, the plan was always that Sarah was going to attempt to stop Judgment day and prevent the dark future. There was a deleted scene where she was attempting to convince Reese to blow up Cyberdyne and prevent Judgment Day from happening.

Many things that were cut (or didn't make it into the first film) were used in the sequel. Sarah lived with the horror of knowing that 3 Billion people would die and she knew exactly when but nobody believed her.

T2 had the perfect ending with the open road and an unknown future ahead of us.

 

[Supernova]

The whole franchise should have ended after T2 honestly. This franchise was going down a dead end story wise and T3 and salvation were the studios attempt to create side roads out.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

But in T3 it shows that the future was still changed, which means Kyle still probably retconned the previous john connor out of existence. With the Judgement Day happening, i mean the original one that was set to happen in 1997.

The future wasn't changed, just postponed, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Kyle retconned the previous John Connor.

The whole premise of T3 was Judgment Day is inevitable.

Either way, best to ignore T3 ( and Salvation).

 

[Gold Samurai]

....why the hell did they CG his face then?

It might not have looked good with the glass fragments obscuring his face

So they "cleaned" it up with a CGI face without glass in front of it

 

[Lord]

The future wasn't changed, just postponed, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Kyle retconned the previous John Connor.

The whole premise of T3 was Judgment Day is inevitable.

Either way, best to ignore T3 ( and Salvation).

It was changed, the fact that people were living in peace in 1999 shows that the future was changed, postponing is still changing.

As for Kyle, he won't to the past and made Sarah Connor pregnant,but the fact that the timetraveling alters the past in some ways means that John Connor originaly had another father, so it means that Kyle made his friend not exist anymore, and replaced him with someone with his oun genes.

If they went with the previously explained theory that past and future are connected (the same type of time trave Interstellar followed), that would have meant that Kyle Reese was always going to be John's father.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

It was changed, the fact that people were living in peace in 1999 shows that the future was changed, postponing is still changing.

Postponing is not changing. The whole premise of the film is that the future can't be changed. Judgment Day will happen no matter what. So basically, you would have preferred a T3 where Judgment Day happened as originally scheduled in 1997? The only reason it was pushed back was because the film was releasd in 2003 and they wanted Judgment Day to be close to present day. Same thing with Genisys (Judgment Day occurs in 2017)

As for Kyle, he won't to the past and made Sarah Connor pregnant,but the fact that the timetraveling alters the past in some ways means that John Connor originaly had another father, so it means that Kyle made his friend not exist anymore, and replaced him with someone with his oun genes.

If they went with the previously explained theory that past and future are connected (the same type of time trave Interstellar followed), that would have meant that Kyle Reese was always going to be John's father.

I'm still completely lost on what your trying to say. Nothing about John Connor changed. The John we see in T3, is the EXACT same one we saw in T2, just ten years later. Same mother (Sarah) and same father (Kyle).

Where are you getting this Kyle retconned John stuff from T3?

 

[Jay Beezy]

Postponing is not changing. The whole premise of the film is that the future can't be changed. Judgment Day will happen no matter what. So basically, you would have preferred a T3 where Judgment Day happened as originally scheduled in 1997? The only reason it was pushed back was because the film was releasd in 2003 and they wanted Judgment Day to be close to present day. Same thing with Genisys (Judgment Day occurs in 2017)



I'm still completely lost on what your trying to say. Nothing about John Connor changed. The John we see in T3, is the EXACT same one we saw in T2, just ten years later. Same mother (Sarah) and same father (Kyle).

Where are you getting this Kyle retconned John stuff from T3?

Maybe he's insinuating that Skynet is revealed in T3 to not be created by Cyberdyne, which is partially incorrect as a deleted scene explains in a throwaway line that those guys inherited the remnants of the Skynet research from Cyberdyne.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Maybe he's insinuating that Skynet is revealed in T3 to not be created by Cyberdyne, which is partially incorrect as a deleted scene explains in a throwaway line that those guys inherited the remnants of the Skynet research from Cyberdyne.

What does that have to do with John's parentage? Kyle and Sarah will always be his parents. Nothing in T3 alluded other wise. Why would it?

 

[Jay Beezy]

What does that have to do with John's parentage? Kyle and Sarah will always be his parents. Nothing in T3 alluded other wise. Why would it?

He's trying to pinpoint an actual starting point to the time loop when there is no starting point.

 

[Mr.T]

John Connor is part of a predestination paradox. He sends Kyle back in time to protect his mom, yet it's really his dad he sends back. I'm curious to know how Skynet alter's this loop so that we now have Hybrid John Connor? I guess I'll just have to watch the movie.

 

[DarthMuppet]

It was changed, the fact that people were living in peace in 1999 shows that the future was changed, postponing is still changing.

As for Kyle, he won't to the past and made Sarah Connor pregnant,but the fact that the timetraveling alters the past in some ways means that John Connor originaly had another father, so it means that Kyle made his friend not exist anymore, and replaced him with someone with his oun genes.

If they went with the previously explained theory that past and future are connected (the same type of time trave Interstellar followed), that would have meant that Kyle Reese was always going to be John's father.

I think you're confused... Kyle Reese was ALWAYS the father of John Connor. As has been mentioned, John Connor is the product of a predestination paradox. Nothing in any of the films even hints at any other scenario. Quite the opposite actually, they specifically state that the only reason John Connor ever existed in the first place was because Kyle Reese was sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, who was targeted for termination because of who her son would become. Without Kyle Reese, John Connor would never have been born. The irony is that the machines never realized they were the ones ultimately responsible for their own demise by sending the terminator back in time in the first place. They inadvertently created exactly what they wanted to stop.

 

[Alien Anal]

Yeh its a loop. I kinda wished we got a T3 film that was future war but dealt with the characters coming to realize they are in a loop, kinda how

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Predestination

played out.

 

[Marvolo]

Is there a review embargo?

 

[Mr.T]

I'm starting to think Skynet intentionally creates John Connor, which in turn, ensures Skynet's creation and survival. They need John to become the human resistance leader so they can send a Terminator back in time to kill him, thus the research that leads to the creation of Skynet. John Connor's creation ensures Skynet's creation. It's all one big Predestination paradox! My head is about to explode!