Terminator: Genisys

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I get a little more excited for this with each new bit I see. The Terminator franchise is Arnold in the "past", so here's to this movie.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Image of a Future War Solider. Love the look, very T1 like.

Yep, better than the Gestapo suits of T3 and bland uniforms of the TS

 

[Terminator]

The Arnold Fans has found a video of an actress auditioning for the role of....

Spoiler

Janelle, John's foster parent from T2.

http://thearnoldfans.squarespace.co...r-audition-footage-evander-visits-arnold.html

 

[craigdbfan]

T3 is better than Salvation because of the ending. I mean damn. The rest of the movie may not be up to par but that ending was excellent. Salvation was just utter **** all around. God, that was the most disappointing movie of 2009 for me. It could have possibly been an incredible film.

Anyone remember this kick ass trailer? Better than the damn movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjX7FwCZa8

Trent Reznor helps everything it seems.

That's still one of the best trailers ever made.

"If we stay the course we are DEAD! WE ARE ALL DEAD!!!!"

"WHAT ARE YOU!?"

 

[Young Superman]

I am starting to get excited for this. Also It will be great to see Schwarzenegger bask in the role that made him an action movie legend.

 

[Loki882]

The entire Resistance made no sense in TS. Here's what we can piece together about them in the first two films, both from Reese's comments and the future scenes:

1. The Resistance fights/moves around almost exclusively at knight because it's essentially suicide to do so during the day.
2. They use makeshift equipment. For instance, and old pickup truck with a captured/reverse engineered Skynet lasers mounted on it.
3. They live in pretty much squalid conditions underground.
4. John Connor united the various bands into a cohesive fighting force through his intelligence, charisma, sheer force of will.

Now the Resistance in TS:

1. It's got reasonably advanced military equipment. Helicopters, fighter jets, armored vehicles, submarines, etc.
2. They're able to move around perfectly fine in the daytime, and essentially camp out in the open, and somehow Skynet cannot find them. They also presumably have air bases for their fighters, which Skynet all apparently cannot find. They also live in reasonably comfortable basis.
3. The Resistance is already a pretty cohesive/organized fighting force, and John Connor is nowhere near the top of the chain of command.
4. The world looks much more like Mad Max than the Hellish wasteland/pseudo-Holocaust that we saw in the first two movies.

It doesn't match up AT ALL.

 

[MadVillainy]

To step in and kinda defend at least part of TS. It could be argued that the resistance painted in T1&T2 is different because it happened before Sarah, John, and T-800 altered the timeline at the end of T2
or it could be that the future shown in TS will evolve to the future shown in T1&T2 because TS takes place before the time shown during the flashback in T1&t2

Still a pretty bad movie, but that's hardly my problem with it

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah the TS movie takes place in 2018 and not 2029 where T1 and T2's future war takes place.


http://www.empireonline.com/features/terminator-timeline/

 

[GothamAlleys]

To step in and kinda defend at least part of TS. It could be argued that the resistance painted in T1&T2 is different because it happened before Sarah, John, and T-800 altered the timeline at the end of T2
or it could be that the future shown in TS will evolve to the future shown in T1&T2 because TS takes place before the time shown during the flashback in T1&t2

Still a pretty bad movie, but that's hardly my problem with it

The problem with that theory is that then it makes TS make even less sense. The emergence of John was suppose to turn things around in favor of the resistance, bring them back from a hopeless day to day one sided slaughter, but TS shows a much better, cleaner and evened out future. Just as a symbolic example, these images summarize the point

more examples at http://downfallofterminator.blogspot.com/2013/03/all-that-is-wrong-with-terminator.html

 

[Solidus]

Nah, that was a problem. The feel/look of the future was unique with T1 and T2, even T3 replicated it for 5 seconds. TS looked nothing like what Cameron imagined Skynet to be, or the world they lived in.

 

[Warhammer]

T3 is better than Salvation because of the ending. I mean damn. The rest of the movie may not be up to par but that ending was excellent. Salvation was just utter **** all around. God, that was the most disappointing movie of 2009 for me. It could have possibly been an incredible film.

Anyone remember this kick ass trailer? Better than the damn movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjX7FwCZa8

Trent Reznor helps everything it seems.

If I had to rank the top 5 greatest trailers of all-time, that one will make the list. Simply superb and flawless in every sense of the word.

Nah, that was a problem. The feel/look of the future was unique with T1 and T2, even T3 replicated it for 5 seconds. TS looked nothing like what Cameron imagined Skynet to be, or the world they lived in.

I do agree that TS definitely didn't look like the future we were shown even if it took place 11 years prior. Instead, TS had that drowned out tan color that every other post-apocalyptic film uses.

 

[dark_b]

i dont think the TS story would work with T2 look.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think that THE LOOK of terminator sslvation was totally adequate.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Pretty much, plus visually, TS looks damn good, it's another interpretation.

 

[DarkKnight]

I always took Terminator Salvation as the early stages of the Resistance vs the Machines. I believe it was kind of obvious too as John was not even the leader yet. Not to mention the T-800's were not even being used yet. but that's how I took Salvation and personally really enjoyed the film. Oh well... I guess we are all different.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I always thought that TS showed the early parts of the future war when the Resistence was run by remnants of the military and the civilians were still being hunted down. The Resistence was more like a pimple than an actual huge threat. And blowing up Skynet City and releasing the prisoners was the turning tide that made Skynet perk up and really take the battle to the humans. I get how that doesn't quite come across as a war film, but I think that what John Connor meant by being at the "brink".

The real struggle was with the civilians which was one if the complaints I had with TS because they didn't show enough of it. Lots of footage cut from the breakout that would have helped. I wanted to see Kyle loading bodies.

 

[Solidus]

The problem I had with it was more of the ascetics and mainly everything with Skynet Central. The way Cameron described it actually made sense. It’s a place made by machines, for machines. But the way it was in TS…was like it was made for Humans. In the T2 script with the deleted stuff it talked about how it was almost alien in there, because everything was designed by a machine. No lights, no easy walkways, or buttons with “English” all over it. The factories were supposed to be dark, and almost no light for human eyes, because the machines don’t need them.

What upset me was Skynet Central felt like a futuristic place for Humans. But not something made by a machine. The whole area with Skynet, and being a floating head was just disappointing. I do agree it should have been more of an alien aspect to everything Skynet creates, very detached from everything that is human. Because it’s not made for humans, nor their comfort, it’s made for efficiency.

Being earlier in the future really does not mean that there would not be the same look at feel. The lack of skulls and the human devastation was disappointing. But regardless I think the look/feel should still have been of what Cameron envisioned for the “Terminator” future. I think of the cut Silverfish machine from T2, so much of it felt…alien. That’s what I’m hoping they bring back.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Keep in mind is those T2 deleted scenes are taking place during the end of the machines vs. resistance war which was raged for decades. I imagine it took Skynet a long time to build those "alien" buildings and the time machine and all that, and that in the beginning it used what the humans already built as a base of operations before, over time, redesigning everything.

 

[Solidus]

Keep in mind is those T2 deleted scenes are taking place during the end of the machines vs. resistance war which was raged for decades. I imagine it took Skynet a long time to build those "alien" buildings and the time machine and all that, and that in the beginning it used what the humans already built as a base of operations before, over time, redesigning everything.

But for the most part Skynet Central looked and was said to be something he created. And if TS was true....he would have had much better things due to the fact that he already made the T-800 which in the originals the T-800's were new in 2029. Machines can build things quickly, and Skynet was a power house. I doubt there was any building like that at all in San Francisco that he just "built over".

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

What upset me was Skynet Central felt like a futuristic place for Humans. But not something made by a machine. The whole area with Skynet, and being a floating head was just disappointing. I do agree it should have been more of an alien aspect to everything Skynet creates, very detached from everything that is human. Because it’s not made for humans, nor their comfort, it’s made for efficiency.

While I don't defend the concept of the future that Salvation portrayed, there is an actual excuse for why the movie featured such a user-friendly Skynet Central.

http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t4del21.html
http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t4del20.html

The movie originally featured more hybrids just like Marcus, and those hybrids worked in the Skynet Central facilities. Of course, that whole aspect of the story was scrapped. But that's the reason Skynet Central wasn't so alien in design.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i dont think the TS story would work with T2 look.

Well the TS story didn't work with it's own look either because the story didn't work period IMHO.

 

[Solidus]

While I don't defend the concept of the future that Salvation portrayed, there is an actual excuse for why the movie featured such a user-friendly Skynet Central.

http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t4del21.html
http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t4del20.html

The movie originally featured more hybrids just like Marcus, and those hybrids worked in the Skynet Central facilities. Of course, that whole aspect of the story was scrapped. But that's the reason Skynet Central wasn't so alien in design.

Hmm, I dunno if that really makes it any better. It just did not bode well for the way we look at Skynet.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Haha it doesn't make it any better. I was just giving a reason for why it looked the way it did. I'm glad it was cut. I don't see why Skynet would keep humans to turn them into hybrid cyborgs when Skynet is supposed to be wiping out the entire human race.

 

[Solidus]

Haha it doesn't make it any better. I was just giving a reason for why it looked the way it did. I'm glad it was cut. I don't see why Skynet would keep humans to turn them into hybrid cyborgs when Skynet is supposed to be wiping out the entire human race.

Ya he saw all humans as threats. Used some for slave labor, but I never imagined he would let a bunch of them "tie themselves into his network" like he allowed with Marcus.

 

[DarKush]

I still don't understand the love Worthington got for that movie. I thought his character was a d**k and all he did was mope and struggle to maintain an American accent. I remember people saying he "outshined" Bale and there was even some stupid rumor that he was going to replace him as Batman. Granted, Bale wasn't great but think that was more the script than anything else. I think with better writing, Bale would have been awesome. Worthington has been dull in just about everything else he's ever done so I doubt a stronger script would have helped him.

I think in part because Marcus was the focus of the movie. It was really a film about him and Worthington did a decent job with it. I had no expectations going into it with him like I did with Bale. But the Bale Connor was cold and somewhat uninspiring. Also it didn't help that it wasn't really a movie about him. It was like his character was shoehorned in more because Bale was playing him, which is what I read what happened back in the day.

I do agree that Worthington is pretty dull. However I thought he was decent enough in Salvation.