Terminator: Genisys

[The Chris]

Yeah He was acting like a t-1000 more than a t-800, and even the t-1000 couldn't take a grenade launcher or extreme heat like that. At first I liked how threatening it was, but then when you start thinking about the classic two in the series, it made no sense.

 

[titansupes]

I didn't find the Throwinator all that intimidating compared to his T1 counterpart.

 

[The Chris]

I didn't find the Throwinator all that intimidating compared to his T1 counterpart.

Lol, so true. We went from impaling kills and fists through bodies to pg-13 throws!

 

[Loki882]

Went from slaughtering an entire police station full of cops to being unable to kill one guy because of PIS.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not just some person who needs every film to be R rated and I realize that T2 was not a hardcore R film but I see this franchise as R rated. Having the T-800 throw people around was ****ing weaksause. I did think that the PG 13 rating hindered Salvation, not more than the bad script of course but it didn't help things.

 

[Octoberist]

I think with something like Terminator or even Alien, it feels like any PG-13 rating holds back the sudden violence or strong language of the old movies.

Like in T1 or T2, the cussing don't happen every five seconds but they're common enough to warrant the R ratings. Same thing with certain violent scenes.

 

[craigdbfan]

It takes a pretty clever director to make a PG-13 film seem rated R and McG wouldn't be one of those directors.

Singer and Nolan are pretty good at pulling "R" scenes within the realms of PG-13 but again you have to be relatively clever to make it feel somewhat "natural".

 

[Octoberist]

But it seems like they have some pull when it comes to stuff like that, you know?

 

[craigdbfan]

But it seems like they have some pull when it comes to stuff like that, you know?

Yes and no. I mean look at Francis Lawrence. I wouldn't say he has as much clout as Nolan and Singer but I never once felt like I was watching a PG-13 movie when I was watching Catching Fire. So it's not all about having pull in the industry but rather having some legitimate cleverness in terms of context and editing to make these things work.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

It takes a pretty clever director to make a PG-13 film seem rated R and McG wouldn't be one of those directors.

Singer and Nolan are pretty good at pulling "R" scenes within the realms of PG-13 but again you have to be relatively clever to make it feel somewhat "natural".

I seriously agree with you on Singer. I was really surprised that he got away with showing all the dead bodies and skulls in the future. After all, those are very strong images to send.
It doesn't need saying, and I'm pretty sure it's been said before, but I'll say it anyways. DOFP's first future sequence was more in line with James Cameron's Terminator future than any second of Terminator Salvation.

 

[dark_b]

I didn't find the Throwinator all that intimidating compared to his T1 counterpart.

the writters and director need to explain this in detail. i demand it.

what was inside the program of that terminator?
-find target
-move closer to the target
-grab the jacket
-pick him up
-throw him
-repeat
-move closer to the target
-

this has nothing to do with the rating. its just bad writtting. the terminator could grab his neck and throw him. or maybe choke him for 5 seconds just to show that he wants to kill him.

 

[GothamAlleys]

the terminator could grab his neck and throw him. or maybe choke him for 5 seconds just to show that he wants to kill him.

Yeah, especially since this one was so insanely powerful it ripped a T-600 in half with bare hands (and ignored the machine gun it had which dropped right under his feet)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just to add to what you said, the original T-800 went down after a couple shotgun blasts and got turn in half by a pipe bomb. TS' T-800 shrugged two grenades exploding on his chest, he didnt even fall or got stunned!

The T-800 in T1 was a monster, but it wasnt unstoppable like the TS one seemed to be, that was a big mistake they made. Also, in T2, molten lava melted the T-800, in TS it didnt even damage it. They just got so much wrong in that movie. The T-800 in T1 survived the truck bomb, yeah, but that damaged it at the very least.

 

[Dave McFly]

actually it was getting hit with the semi that damaged it (he was limping before the explosion)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Ah yeah true, shocking mistake by someone who has seen it that many times I could literally act the whole movie out, I am putting myself in the naughty corner.

But at least it could be damaged, even Marcus Wright had trouble with it despite being a machine himself, the T-800 in TS was more akin to Superman, it was just silly in the end.

 

[GothamAlleys]

But it did knock him out cold for a longer while, and also according to the novelization he took a big damage and died like the T-800 in T2 did after impaling, then found a secondary power to get up like the second one

 

[Uncle Radiation]

Terminator is a trilogy in two movies. The ending of T2 - either the theatrical or the alternate ending - is perfect. It should have ended there.

We've already had two awful attempts to get more cash out of the series, I can't believe there's another one.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

T-t-trilogy?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I do think, even after T2 that the franchise had places to go, but they just chose the wrong places with the last 2 movies.

I think Genesis sounds interesting, but it also sounds really difficult to pull off, I just hope Taylor can do it.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Its interesting how difficult it was to come up with a follow to T2. T3 had numerous rewrites and story ideas, and it did took some doing in figuring out what will be story and what direction to take. They eventally settled on making a spoof of T2, but even before T3 other medias tried to continue it - T2 Comic books (which I think are pretty good), and Stirling's ad Blackford's written continuations (unrelated to each other)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The annoying thing Cameron was interested in coming back to the franchise for a T3, but they wanted to direct the script they had and not develop his own, it was absurd at the time and it still is now.

I think Cameron would have brought us a really good 3rd movie (though I am biased seeing as he is my favourite direct :csmile.

 

[flickchick85]

I think Cameron would have brought us a really good 3rd movie (though I am biased seeing as he is my favourite direct :csmile.

Well, he's not my favorite director (not by a long shot), but I definitely agree with you there. So far he's the only person that's been able to make this franchise work.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I have always thought Stirling's Terminator novels would have made great movie adaptations.

 

[DarkKnight88]

The annoying thing Cameron was interested in coming back to the franchise for a T3, but they wanted to direct the script they had and not develop his own, it was absurd at the time and it still is now.

I don't think that's accurate. Cameron said he tried to come up with an idea but never had a good enough story in mind for a third movie so eventually he just passed on the project. The studio never ousted him (why would they?)

 

[jmc]

^I do think, even after T2 that the franchise had places to go, but they just chose the wrong places with the last 2 movies.

I think Genesis sounds interesting, but it also sounds really difficult to pull off, I just hope Taylor can do it.

I don't agree with that actually, I think the way T2 finishes there's really no justification for the future to end up like was illustrated throughout the first two movies. T3 tried to pass it off that Judgement Day was inevitable, which to me undermines the journey of the two previous movies where the characters went to such length to prevent it. There's really no justification for the future to continue unabated after T2 because all the components from the original T-800 as well as all the documented research were destroyed. Cameron covered all his bases and prevented any logical reason for the story to continue after T2. I could see why he never came back to direct a third even though he may have wanted too because there really wasn't a natural progression to work off. The story feels complete.