Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[dark_b]

why would they?

 

[Punisher Rising]

That was my biggest gripe as well, the T-800 was just far too powerful, in previous movies, the T-800 would get knocked back by shotgun blasts, but here, a grenade straight to the sternum from 10 yards away didnt even faze it. And this was all before the lava and getting the **** beaten out of by Marcus and not even showing any side effects.

It was just far too over the top against the previous movies, even T3 which took it a bit far at times.

Yeah, it was quite a discrepancy to see the T-800 so superpowered like this. I can understand if it was maybe a T-850 or T-900, but considering what we saw of the T-800s in the first two movies, it is a noticable goof to see this particular version be so indestructible.

 

[dude stannis]

If Warner Bros isn't bidding, I probably might as well officially stop caring about the Terminator franchise.

Why? They had a pretty big hand in Terminator Salvation, so if anything they should stay the mcf**k away.

 

[hippie_hunter]

why would they?

By looking at it two ways:

1. Warner Bros. pretty much has everything concerning the North American rights to the Terminator franchise. They have Terminator 3, Terminator: Salvation, and Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. And if Time Warner ends up getting MGM, they'll own the Orion Pictures library which includes the first Terminator film. That gives them a lot of leeway to promote the series with pretty much everything except for the second film.

2. However on the other hand Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles did abysmally in TV ratings even though it was given multiple chances. And Warner Bros had only the North American rights to Terminator 3 and Terminator: Salvation and those films really didn't do good domestically. And there's also the chance that Time Warner will not end up with MGM's film library therefore they're stuck with only the aspects of the Terminator franchise that hasn't done so well.

It's pretty clear that Warner Bros. looked at both of these viewpoints, however because they really didn't have anything to do with the success of the first film (if they even end up owning it), they don't have the second film in their grasps, and the lukewarm success to outright failure of the rest of the franchise, Warner Bros. went with the second viewpoint.

You also have to take into account of how many times the franchise has changed hands (James Cameron, Gale Anne Hurd, C2 Pictures, Halcyon Company) which doesn't look good. The fact that Halcyon originally wanted an absurd amount of money, and who ever wins would have to pay Lions Gate $450,000.

And a final factor is that Warner Bros. has plenty of properties to dig into without the need to buy another like DC Comics, WB Games (Mortal Kombat, F.E.A.R., Condemned, This Is Vegas, The Suffering, Spy Hunter, etc.), Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Sex and the City, Happy Feet, films by Chris Nolan, Zack Snyder, other various films, and if they acquire MGM, add James Bond, Pink Panther, Robocop, etc.

So yeah, I'd have to agree with you. Why would they?

Sony on the other hand handled the international distribution of Terminator 3 and Terminator: Salvation and while the last two films were duds in North America, they kicked ass financially overseas. And this time they would get all the money.

They also don't have a lot of franchises to dig into like Warner Bros. does. They have Spider-Man, but they're worried that they'll eventually lose it (hence the quick reboot when Raimi slowed things down). They have the Robert Langdon series. Ghostbusters. Karate Kid, Bad Boys, Men in Black. And Sony Pictures Animation (Cloudy with a Open Season, Chance of Meatballs, Surf's Up). That's it.

So the answer for Sony would be why wouldn't they bid on Terminator?

 

[Carnotaur3]

Why? They had a pretty big hand in Terminator Salvation, so if anything they should stay the mcf**k away.

WB didn't produce TS, just like it didn't produce T3. They were domestic distributers for both films. The studios that produced were C2 for T3 and The Halcyon Company for TS.

 

[Deaths Head II]

WB could probably produce a good Terminator film, but I do agree with hh that there isn't much incentive for WB to buy the license.

 

[dude stannis]

WB didn't produce TS, just like it didn't produce T3. They were domestic distributers for both films. The studios that produced were C2 for T3 and The Halcyon Company for TS.

They had a pretty big hand in what the final cut looked like. McG was always Rubinov's ass in his early interviews.

 

[TheVileOne]

McG was talking about Time Warner execs at Comic Con. So clearly something was going on with them.

I think the franchise's lack of success in it's incarnations in the last decade are proof that it needs to go away for a while.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It all comes down different measures of success though. In North America, Terminator clearly has had a lack of success. However, internationally it has done very well, even the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Hence Warner Bros. not bidding but Sony is.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, it was quite a discrepancy to see the T-800 so superpowered like this. I can understand if it was maybe a T-850 or T-900, but considering what we saw of the T-800s in the first two movies, it is a noticable goof to see this particular version be so indestructible.

Exactly, I was watching it thinking 'when is this thing going to die,' I know the T-800 is meant to be an unstoppable machine but it just survived far to much compared to its previous incarnations, plus against more advanced weaponry than the first few movies also.

 

[redhawk23]

Salvation was such a wasted opertunity

 

[Punisher Rising]

Exactly, I was watching it thinking 'when is this thing going to die,' I know the T-800 is meant to be an unstoppable machine but it just survived far to much compared to its previous incarnations, plus against more advanced weaponry than the first few movies also.

And another thing is how much swifter and more agile it was compared to the T-800s as seen in the first two films. I don't recall the T-800s jumping, skidding, leaping, etc. before.

 

[Alien Anal]

Cameron should just buy the rights back with some loose change under his couch then make a short 15 minute animated film about the future war and what he thinks should of happened to his characters. All for the fans

 

[hippie_hunter]

Cameron has not only said that he has no interest in buying the rights, he also told potential bidders that he has no desire to terminate the copyrights to the franchise when he gains the ability in 2019.

He also has no desire to work on another Terminator film.

 

[Juggernaut33]

The Terminator franchise is dead. They should just let it go.

 

[dark_b]

And another thing is how much swifter and more agile it was compared to the T-800s as seen in the first two films. I don't recall the T-800s jumping, skidding, leaping, etc. before.

because there was no CGI. everything that you sw in the 80's was done because of the technology that they had.
terminator skeleton and robocop moved so slow because all parts were so heavy. the reason Iron man is so agile is because he was CGI.

but the hot lava? this didnt work.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Okay, the T-800 comparisons are unfair. Why wouldn't the T-800 leap? Just because you never saw it in the previous films (he did do it on a motocycle) doens't mean it couldn't do it. Besides, it not like it leaped far in TS. It was just jumping down. Everytime you saw the endo T-800 in the others films it was damaged (aside from the T2 intro). And the T-800 can run! But you never see that outside of that one scene in T1 in the back alley, when its chasing Sarah and Kyle.

The T-800 is fast. It was slower at the end of T1 because its leg was messed up. It was slow at the end of T2 because its whole body was messed up.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Edit: Double post

 

[spider-neil]

TS suffered the exact same problem as superman returns. too many nods and winks to the the past and not enough trying to do your own thing.
I will also add that TS concentrates too much on effects and not enough on character development it also tries to cram in too much I half expected them to send back the t-800, reese, the t-1000 and she-terminator in the first movie.

 

[Deaths Head II]

TS suffered the exact same problem as superman returns. too many nods and winks to the the past and not enough trying to do your own thing.

I don't TS is nearly as bad as SR in that regard. Returns basically felt like a remake of the first Superman film only not as good while TS had a whole new plot at least. T3 is probably more comparable to SR since it feels like a remake of T2.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Okay, the T-800 comparisons are unfair. Why wouldn't the T-800 leap? Just because you never saw it in the previous films (he did do it on a motocycle) doens't mean it couldn't do it. Besides, it not like it leaped far in TS. It was just jumping down. Everytime you saw the endo T-800 in the others films it was damaged (aside from the T2 intro). And the T-800 can run! But you never see that outside of that one scene in T1 in the back alley, when its chasing Sarah and Kyle.

The T-800 is fast. It was slower at the end of T1 because its leg was messed up. It was slow at the end of T2 because its whole body was messed up.

I don't recall the T-800s ever leaping on a motorcycle on either of the first two. I know the T-800 is capable of running (the back alley chase in T1, escaping from the T-1000 in Pescadero in T2), but the overall agility and swiftness of the T-800 in TS to me just felt inconsistant with the previous portrayals. I can understand the technology at this time allows for effects not achieved before back then, but it still felt pretty inconsistant to see the T-800 (and especially bearing in mind that in the timeline, this T-800 is one of the first to be made by SkyNet) so agile and swift when they weren't anything like that in the first two movies. The movements felt more suited for a T-1000 than a T-800.

It doesn't really bug me per say, but as someone who notices discrepancies and continuity differences like this, it really sticks out to see the T-800 suddenly so swift, agile and physically aggressive in TS, when in T1 and T2, they were never that highly mobile.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I don't recall the T-800s ever leaping on a motorcycle on either of the first two. I know the T-800 is capable of running (the back alley chase in T1, escaping from the T-1000 in Pescadero in T2), but the overall agility and swiftness of the T-800 in TS to me just felt inconsistant with the previous portrayals. I can understand the technology at this time allows for effects not achieved before back then, but it still felt pretty inconsistant to see the T-800 (and especially bearing in mind that in the timeline, this T-800 is one of the first to be made by SkyNet) so agile and swift when they weren't anything like that in the first two movies. The movements felt more suited for a T-1000 than a T-800.

It doesn't really bug me per say, but as someone who notices discrepancies and continuity differences like this, it really sticks out to see the T-800 suddenly so swift, agile and physically aggressive in TS, when in T1 and T2, they were never that highly mobile.

The T-800 acted just as agile as a HUMAN BEING. Doens't bother me.

By the way, I'm refering to Uncle Bob on the motorcycle jumping over the canal.

 

[Kane52630]

I don't TS is nearly as bad as SR in that regard. Returns basically felt like a remake of the first Superman film only not as good while TS had a whole new plot at least. T3 is probably more comparable to SR since it feels like a remake of T2.

@ your avy

 

[Deaths Head II]

@ your avy

t:

 

[Punisher Rising]

The T-800 acted just as agile as a HUMAN BEING. Doens't bother me.

By the way, I'm refering to Uncle Bob on the motorcycle jumping over the canal.

But what I'm saying is the T-800s in the first two films were never that agile and swift with how they moved, in contrast with the T-800 as seen in TS. And T2's T-800 made the jump down into the canal while he was still on the motorcycle.