The Adventures of Tintin

[Crockett]

I already have mentioned that I'd prefer hand-drawn animation, the CG motion-capture movies isn't something I'm a big fan of though I like what I've seen so far from this movie. Since they used the Avatar techology for the motion-capture hopefully this one will be better than Zemeckis' previous efforts. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sorry it looks like Zemeckis' Christmas Carol to me. And that didn't have photo-real looking humans either. Look at Scrooge in that movie.

I hate this style of animation. I would've rather seen a traditional animated movie with just a bigger scale.

I predict no one is going to see it.

Just saying, Mars Needs Moms was one of the biggest flops of the year. Audiences do NOT like how these movies look. There's a disconnect with the audience and these characters. Beowulf was a $150 million movie and made less than $200 million worldwide and only $82 million in the US.

 

[Crockett]

I predict no one is going to see it.

Tintin is a popular brand name outside US, so they're going to see this. Now whether the US audience will, we'll see but the talent behind this shoud intrigue them the very least.

 

[TheVileOne]

I hear Dylan Dog is a popular brand outside the US too .

 

[Sawyer]

Regardless. The names Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson will put asses in the seats.

 

[Timstuff]

Sorry it looks like Zemeckis' Christmas Carol to me. And that didn't have photo-real looking humans either. Look at Scrooge in that movie.

I hate this style of animation. I would've rather seen a traditional animated movie with just a bigger scale.

I predict no one is going to see it.

Just saying, Mars Needs Moms was one of the biggest flops of the year. Audiences do NOT like how these movies look. There's a disconnect with the audience and these characters. Beowulf was a $150 million movie and made less than $200 million worldwide and only $82 million in the US.

I think audiences are a lot smarter in their tastes than people like Zemeckis and Spielberg give them credit for. People know there's a big difference between the quality of animation you see in movies like How to Train Your Dragon, Up, and Tangled versus movies like A Christmas Carol and now Tintin. The directors are all hyped up about it because they get to make animated movies by shooting on set with actors and pretend cameras like they're used to, but the results do not impress. People like the animation in Disney / Pixar and Dreamworks movies because it's stylish and helps sell the fantastical imagery. Mocap movies are robotic and lifeless, because he actors on set, try as they might, simply aren't able to convey stylized movement the way animators who have complete freedom from the natural world are able to.

I predict Tintin is going to be a flop as well, and I would like to think it puts an end to the mocap movie fad since if Spielberg of all people can't sell it, no-one can. I do worry though, that even if this movie is a failure the producers are just going to say "It will work eventually. We just need to throw even more money at the technology!" Sooner or later the live action directors are going to figure out why no-one likes these movies and go back to doing what they're actually good at, but hopefully Tintin is the last straw. Hollywood has wasted enough money on these 90 minute tech demos already, and I'd prefer they start spending that money on animated movies that people will actually enjoy.

 

[dark_b]

we would not have this talk if they would f.... show a shot of TinTin talking.

but no they had to hide the faces and made it look like they are afraid of the face animation.

 

[Timstuff]

We wouldn't be having this talk if Spielberg had done this movie in live action (which is what he's good at), or if he'd stepped back and let real animators make it while he just produces. No-one is going to get what they want from this movie, because the people who wanted live action won't be satisfied and the people who wanted animation won't be satisfied either.

 

[dark_b]

animators worked on Avatar and animators worked on TinTin.

only a Zemeckis movie has 99% mo-cap movement. he is the only one crazy to not let teh animators clean the animation and make it ''pop''. WETA is different.

how will it look is something i dont know. but i do know that WETA animators worked on this movie

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No one wants to spend time with meat puppets. I don't care what "advancements" are being made. I love the look of the film until I see the "humans" and then suddenly, I want nothing to do with it.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Looks fantastic. As a huge Tintin fan, I can't wait for this movie.

By the way, here's the international trailer, it's got some extra shots and the subtitle is still there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FhZeAS7WHo

 

[the amazing fro]

I really can't put my finger on why but the entire mocap phenomenon loves me cold. It just feels so lifeless and everything feels like there is no weight to it. When the technology progresses to a level in which this can be rectified, I am all for it but only for certain films that would require this type of technology to do what would be impossible (or would look plain ****) in practical filming. I'm not a huge fan of tintin though the books do have a great degree of charm, the drawings are lovely and captain haddock is consistently hilarious.

The biggest disappointment is that I thought the film was going to be highly stylized with the big black eyes of herge and the lush colours. It seems here they are trying their hardest to make everything look real. Then why the hell use mocap?

 

[dark_b]

you didnt see weight when they walked in the TinTin trailer?

 

[dark_b]

trailer music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm3PAabZLiE

 

[Alientraveller]

I loved Tintin as a kid, and if Spielberg (the man Herge believed should direct it), PJ, Wright, Cornish and Moffat can't make it a good film with Bell, Serkis, Craig, Pegg and Frost, then no one will. I think the animation models look far better than those scary humans in Mars Needs Moms (not that the story would have enticed me to see it), but it also looks far more photorealistic than Zemeckis's films, which always looked 2D and wispy to me (I liked Beowulf though). I'll let you all know if it works when I see it in October.

 

[Sikyon]

Tintin is a popular brand name outside US, so they're going to see this.

It's true that here in Europe it's a popular brand and I still own all the comics, they were my favorites when I was a kid and they hold a special place in my heart but I'm not sure if I'm going to see this and, to be honest, right now I know nobody who will. It's a known brand but I'm not sure if kids these days still read it and I'm only 21 so how much of an audience is there except for the older people who grew up with it? The animation looks good but it leaves me cold and when I think of Tim & Struppi (that's how it's called here in Germany) I think of the charming characters and not of some CGI spectacle.

It's a shame because I love all the people involved.

 

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

I hear Dylan Dog is a popular brand outside the US too .

ICWATUDIDTHERE.

In all seriousness, people will watch it, its got Steven and Peter's name all over it.

 

[Crockett]

We still need to more, way more footage before making a proper judgement. I mentioned I'm not the biggest fan of motion-capture CG movie and would've prefer hand-drawn and not live-action but I'm just hoping that this will be better than previous efforts.

I hear Dylan Dog is a popular brand outside the US too .

Dylan Dog is really just popular in Italy but I can't think of anywhere maybe Spain but it's nothing compared to to Tintin where is really popular in Europe and quite well known around Asia and Australia.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Oh for crying out loud, the animation in the Tintin trailer is not bloody stiff.

 

[dark_b]

Dylan Dog looks like a tv movie. there was never a chance that it would make money.

 

[Electrofarce]

Sorry it looks like Zemeckis' Christmas Carol to me. And that didn't have photo-real looking humans either. Look at Scrooge in that movie.

I hate this style of animation. I would've rather seen a traditional animated movie with just a bigger scale.

I predict no one is going to see it.

Just saying, Mars Needs Moms was one of the biggest flops of the year. Audiences do NOT like how these movies look. There's a disconnect with the audience and these characters. Beowulf was a $150 million movie and made less than $200 million worldwide and only $82 million in the US.

Remember that big AVatar argument? The teaser came out and everyone thought it looked like a video game? Look what happened. It's going to be the same thing here.

And if you are legitamately going to compare this to a Christmas carol, than i question your attention to detail. In terms of texture and lighting, this film already almost looks unmatched. Look at still's from a Christmas carol. It was never meant to look real, and it didn't. You can argue about motion if you choose, but at this early on it's pointless. We haven't even seen anyone talk for christ's sakes, so I can't understand how anyone can talk about the "uncanny valley" yet.

The attention to detail in the CGI work is astounding in this film. And is on par with Avatar.

There is absolutely no evidence to support if this surpasses the "uncanny valley" or not. The scene in question is literally a scene where TinTin is trying to be as still as possible. Don't you get that?

 

[Frosty81]

Remember that big AVatar argument? The teaser came out and everyone thought it looked like a video game? Look what happened. It's going to be the same thing here....

The scene in question is literally a scene where TinTin is trying to be as still as possible. Don't you get that?

This. I remember having huge expectations for the Avatar teaser and was hugely disappointed but still hopeful. In the end, I was blown away by the final result.

In lesser hands I would be concerned but we are talking about Weta, Jackson and last but not least, Steven m'f'n Spielberg. Apparently with some friendly visits by Cameron and Landau. I'm not going on record to say the movie will be perfect as there is still story, plot, etc. But we are talking about the visuals in a movie that is still 7months out and if the creative process for Avatar is any indication then we have every reason to believe Weta and co. will be working 24/7 until then to perfect every last piece.

- Edmond

 

[ALP]

Mars Needs Moms was one of the biggest bombs in history, even Disney and Zemeckis has backed off of making mo-cap films that feature digital humans. Right now Tintin is the only movie that can save mo-cap humans. If this movie flops we'll probably never see another any time soon.

 

[terry78]

We're all just desensitized to CG, that's all that is. This is WETA, lest you forget. The fx house that, for lack of a better word, we all ******e every chance we get. They wouldn't do shoddy work.

 

[Timstuff]

The defenders of this film always use the detail of the characters, lighting, etc. to justify why this is supposed to somehow be an improvement over A Christmas Carol, but never the animation itself. Hmm, I wonder why that is? Could it be because from what little we saw in the trailer, the animation already looks like it's going to be just as stiff and awkward as the stuff in Zemeckis's movies?

Toy Story literally looks like it's made out of plastic, however the animators who made it knew the fundamentals of animation timing so even today it still looks good. You don't need photo realistic character models and lighting to make a good animated film if you have good animators making the characters move. I can't say the same about the opposite, though. It's almost impossible to incorporate the principles of animation timing into a motion capture movie because animation is so dependent on key frames and anticipation motions. If you all would study how animation is actually made you'd understand why motion capture movies like this are pretty much always going to suck.