The Alas-No-More-Atlas Bought/Thought Thread for October 6 - SPOILERS!!!

I loved X-Force from the first issue to it's last and thought it was the best X-Book out. I think this new issue shows that this new run may end up being better, as it's a better fit for what the purpose of the team is. And while I do like Kyle and Yost, I think Remender could potentially be a better fit for the book.
 
I can understand some hesitancy towards certain characters. Fantomex never thrilled me...Deadpool has gotten way too hyped...Archangel and Psylocke haven't been interesting for YEARS...Wolverine is ...well, Wolverine. But, Remender made them all pretty darn interesting.

Dread, I guess I still don't understand it. If this came from a regular comic fan, I might a bit more; but, from someone else who does reviews, it just seems a bit hypocritical to say "you guys should really try a book, like Dynamo 5;" but, refuse to listen to what anyone else hypes. Last week, you gave a good excuse on a title that might have been going for a while; but, here is a where you can get on the ground floor...and, at least give a first issue a try. If after the first issue, you still feel the same about those characters, I'd understand. (And, it's almost not as much about the characters, but the person writing them.)

It's probably gonna be one of those "agree to disagree" points. It just peeves me (just a tiny bit..nothing that significant) that I'd check out a book that you told me was good, but you wouldn't do the same. I mean, I wouldn't have considered going back to Dynamo 5 if you didn't keep saying each month (well, longer than "each month," since the title used to be so late) how good it was.
 
Brightest Day #11

I have to disagree with JH on this one.

What the heck is up with this title??!!?? One minute I'm enjoying it, and the next I think it's the biggest pile of crapola I'm reading. The dialogue in this issue was TERRIBLE! Where I was loving both Firestorm and Aquaman storylines from the previous issue (it was nice they went right back to it, without diverging off on some other characters), this made issue took away whatever good came before. Deathstorm (ok, the name worked) made me groan throughout. The words coming out of his mouth were completely silly..even calling someone "dude." And, really...having the Black Lanterns return makes no sense to me.

I got tired of the Black Lanterns by the time Blackest Night was over; and, I dread seeing them back again so soon. That ending scene with the various characters who returned from the dead having Black Lantern versions now didn't WOW me at all. I groaned! :doh:

This issue gets a mediocre :dry:.

Batman: Hidden Treasures One-Shot

Depending how much you want to spend on a comic will probably determine how interested you'd be in picking this up. It's a high price, costing $4.99...about a buck too much. But, I did enjoy the issue.

The concept behind this one-shot is that we've all heard about stories that have never seen the light of day, and this comic presents one of those: A Bernie Wrightson/Ron Marz story. This is a 22-page "Batman story told completely in splash pages by Bernie Wrightson. Those pages are beautiful to look at, even if Marz's story is only ok. For that alone, I found this book worth that extra price.

22 pages don't warrant DC charging us such a high price; so, they have added a recolored bonus story, originally presented in Swamp Thing #7 (Vol. 1), where Swamp Thing and Batman meet for the first time. It's got nostagic value and some more classic Bernie Wrightson art...but, not much beyond that. Len Wein wrote a ton of these types of stories in the 70's, and they don't pop like stories do today. :yay:
 
Didn't people love X-Force back when it started, too? I wonder if this version will wind up like its predecessor as "the weakest book of the X-books line" in another year or so...

To be fair, when "Team Stabby" first debuted, I recalled that reviews were more mixed.

I can understand some hesitancy towards certain characters. Fantomex never thrilled me...Deadpool has gotten way too hyped...Archangel and Psylocke haven't been interesting for YEARS...Wolverine is ...well, Wolverine. But, Remender made them all pretty darn interesting.

Dread, I guess I still don't understand it. If this came from a regular comic fan, I might a bit more; but, from someone else who does reviews, it just seems a bit hypocritical to say "you guys should really try a book, like Dynamo 5;" but, refuse to listen to what anyone else hypes. Last week, you gave a good excuse on a title that might have been going for a while; but, here is a where you can get on the ground floor...and, at least give a first issue a try. If after the first issue, you still feel the same about those characters, I'd understand. (And, it's almost not as much about the characters, but the person writing them.)

It's probably gonna be one of those "agree to disagree" points. It just peeves me (just a tiny bit..nothing that significant) that I'd check out a book that you told me was good, but you wouldn't do the same. I mean, I wouldn't have considered going back to Dynamo 5 if you didn't keep saying each month (well, longer than "each month," since the title used to be so late) how good it was.

I operate on a limited budget. I don't have enough disposable income to spend on too may "new" titles. Therefore, if I do hop on something new I try to make sure it is something I am fairly certain I am going to like. Yes, reviews from others help, but I also need some dose of incentive besides that. A fondness for a character, or the writer, especially. To be honest, the only name from UNCANNY X-FORCE I heard that sparked any interest in me was the artist, Opena. He drew the first six issues of VENGEANCE OF THE MOON KNIGHT and it was a shame to see him leave that book; however, it's probable he left so he could get a few issues of this into the can (I assume), which is likely much higher profile work for him.

Remender isn't a writer I've read anything from and he's not attracted much buzz for me. All I know of him is he was the "Franken-Castle" guy, which was...well, something else I didn't read, but I found the idea very absurd. On the one hand, turning the Punisher into the Frankenstein's monster sort of implies there is nothing else to do with him. On the other hand...given all the stories he's had over the years, which included turning into a black man as well as an angel (in that order), maybe there WAS nothing else to do with him. But besides that, I've never read anything he's done.

Which leaves the franchise and the characters. I've never read any incarnation of X-Force. Especially not the prior volume that came before this. I haven't bought and read an X-Men comic since the end of Joss Whedon's run on ASTONISHING X-MEN. I certainly haven't read any of the Messiah Complex/Messiah War/Second Coming stuff. I have no interest in any of the characters. Wolverine, Deadpool, Fantomex, Archangel, and Psylocke could all be sacrificed in a Bendis issue of AVENGERS in the most ridiculous manner possible and I can't say I would care (even if of course Wolverine and Deadpool are effectively immortal, and even Psylocke came back from the dead).

I'd argue it's much easier jumping onto something like DYNAMO 5 than it is an X-Book out of the blue. For one thing, D5 doesn't take itself as seriously. For the other, it doesn't have as much continuity behind it. It's not that I don't take the recommendations of others seriously; I do. My local shop certainly ordered enough copies of UNCANNY X-FORCE this week that I am certain they'll have unsold copies next week if my curiosity gets the better of me. But this would be a case in which the recommendations of people online is LITERALLY the ONLY thing I have looking forward to the book. That and the artist. Nothing else is anything I have any confidence in, and when a debut is $3.99, it has to not simply be good under those circumstances. It has to be "knock me off my ass" awesome. And that's a bar that sometimes even writers I do like struggle to attain. I used to like Matt Fraction, but his INVINCIBLE IRON MAN is on a week-to-week basis for me, and he has one (and perhaps only one) arc to keep me on THOR. I like Brubaker on CAPTAIN AMERICA, but his first arc on SECRET AVENGERS was far from his best and he has only one more to keep me. And those are both titles were I have interest in the characters, too.

Next week, especially, is a $30 comic book week, which for me is a lot. It'll be $27 if I can kick INVINCIBLE IRON MAN to the curb, which I probably should, but habit and the last issue finally being good may keep me until the arc finishes, whenever that is. But as an example, two books that I am getting next week were newer stuff that I tried because of some tangible interest. INVADERS NOW! is very much a continuation of Alex Ross' AVENGERS/INVADERS and THE TORCH. I read one issue of the latter and didn't think it was good enough for $4 a pop. So why did I try INVADERS NOW? Yes, there are characters like James Barnes, Spitfire, and Union Jack that I like. But the major factor was Christos Gage writing; he's rarely off his game and he didn't disappoint. Another is SHADOWLAND: BLOOD ON THE STREETS. Pretty much the only one of the creative team I knew of going in was Wellington Alves, who drew NOVA and WAR OF KINGS: ASCENSION so I knew his art would be good; but art alone isn't enough to try a book blind. No, I gave it a chance because it had the Shroud in it, a D-List character I happen to like. If UNCANNY X-FORCE had even that, one D-Lister I cared about, I might be more willing to go with the flow and try it. It isn't like I hate Deadpool, I can only tolerate him in about one issue every few months, at best, before he annoys the spit out of me. I'm a recovering Wolverine fan-boy (from about age 10-18 I liked him, but once I hit my 20's, I'd had my fill), but these days I usually can't stand him and, like Deadpool, I can only take him in doses (such as the bi-monthly ASTONISHING SPIDER-MAN & WOLVERINE). Archangel and Psylocke are characters that at best I tolerated and never liked; the former has often been a poster child for x-treme 80's angst and I never liked his metal wing/blue skin era (and the fact that he can swap between that and feather form is silly even for the X-Men). Which leaves Fantomex, and I know I've preached about giving "new" characters a chance, at least if you assume a character made in '02 is still "new", but I can't think of one detail about him that caught my interest, not even from his Handbook Bio.


I have a very tight budget for comics. You have a looser one, given as you can buy most of what both the big two put out and apparently still pay utilities. It's a different situation. It may seem hypocritical, but I sort of see it as being prudent.

(Also, given that DYNAMO 5 sells, quite literally, towards the bottom of the Top 300, it probably needs every reader more than UNCANNY X-FORCE. ;) )
 
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I can understand all that, especially the limited income portion. There's several titles I've heard about throughout the years that I really wanted to try but just couldn't justify it with my budget. Frankencastle and Incredible Hercules being two of them.

Oh, but since you like Opena and haven't read anything by Remender... FrankenCastle was sure controversial, but the rest of Remender's run on that title during Dark Reign was actually really good... and it was drawn by Opena.

Honestly, if you go from that first issue through the end of that run prior to FrankenCastle it's a great read with great art. It's something you could always try out if you ever grow curious about Remender.
 
INCREDIBLE HERCULES is great stuff. I also consider the mini's that came after it, HERCULES: FALL OF AN AVENGER and HEROIC AGE: PRINCE OF POWER part of that banner, since it is all the same run, basically, which is being capped off with CHAOS WAR. That said, I happened to jump on around "LOVE & WAR", when I was only behind about two arcs behind (three if you count the prelude to that, the WORLD WAR HULK issues of INCREDIBLE HULK from Greg Pak that united Hercules and Cho with the Renegades, which I also got). I happened to have more disposable cash back then (2008 is already a long time ago). But catching up now? It's cost a lot more so I do understand that angle of it. It is a shame there is no cheaper alternative besides buying trades or illegally DL'ing. Marvel's digital back catalog is shaky at best.

EDIT: I went back and did some research, and it looks like I have read SOMETHING by Rick Remender; the DOCTOR VOODOO story in HEROIC AGE: AGE OF HEROES #1. I make fun of how Marvel was ludicrous enough that people would buy a Brother Voodoo comic for $4 to start, but Remender's story in that anthology wasn't bad. I don't think it was as strong as Paul Tobin's back-up strips from FALL OF AN AVENGER which are encouraging me to try his SPIDER-GIRL, but it wasn't bad. I expected it to be more humorless than it was.
 
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I know JH can understand the "limited budget" theory; but, I also know there have been numerous times where a few of us have raved about a comic, and JH has gone out and found a place within his budget to get it. Many times, he'll end up dropping a book that isn't doing it for him.

Even with the "limited budget" theory, it's not that difficult to find a way to stop by your local comic shop, spend an extra ten minutes and look at what everyone is talking about.

Personally, I hate feeling like I've "missed the boat" on certain comics. And, the later it goes, the harder it tends to be to get on the bandwagon. Invincible is probably the biggest example. I have a few issues that I've found in bargain bins; but, I have only read one issue of that comic, and that was the crossover with Astounding Wolf-Man. I wish to GOD that I got into that book when it first came out; but, back then, Image wasn't putting out much to take notice of, and I was mainly a Marvel guy. (When you are a married comic reader, you tend to have to do that "limited budget" thing.) There is a part of me that wants the original, first-print copies of everything, and (I don't know why) trades just don't do it for me.

I hate that! If I would have jumped on the bandwagon when I first started hearing about the book...around issue 15 or so....I wouldn't have gotten so far behind. (Thankfully, my interest in Walking Dead made me pick up those first two trades, and I've bought that book ever since.) I just keep hoping to find that one amazing deal that gets me most of that series in single issue form, I guess.
 
Invincible is a PRIME example of something I wish I'd have jumped onto. After it was well underway I wanted to get into it but can't afford it and...yes... I DL'd them to give them a shot. I want to say I read the first 30 issues or so and I LOVED them but the earlier issues are unfindable and at the time I hated trades. Man I wish I'd have tried that series out though. It's so much to get caught up on now.

Fortunately I don't mind trades as much now and I bought the first volume of it not long ago, same with the first 2 volumes of Y the Last Man (I have read all of these through DL'ing and am eager to actually own them). I want to keep going on these but I usually can't afford them. I know my half priced books has a couple volumes of Y so I'll get those soon but I really want those Invincible trades!
 
I guess it's safe to assume that no one outside me and Watchman are reading Neonomicon? Or even really know what it is? It is kind of strange to see a lack of any real coverage or talk about an Alan Moore scripted comic, but I guess being put out from a small indie that literally runs itself on one or two authors gimps anyone's comic from getting much attention.

Whatever the case, I have to wonder what the reaction to this issue would be if it were being published by Vertigo or Icon or, hell, even Image and would get more mainstream coverage. Well, I'm guessing it probably wouldn't have been published, so maybe that's a dumb thought to have. I had heard that Avatar Press really does let their writers and artists do pretty much anything without censorship, but I am a little shocked that they let Moore and Burrows go this far with the second issue. Especially that shot (which I mean in two senses, Watchman will get what I'm talking about, I'm sure) near the end.

Anyway, I definitely did not see this direction coming, especially since the first issue focused almost completely on psychological horror. To see this out there, bluntly, and in your face like that totally threw me for a loop. At first, I thought it was very unLovecraftian, since Lovecraft was mostly know for his idea of using horror of the unknown, unseen, and ununderstandable (I believe most of the creatures, Gods and entities from his mythos aren't described, or only vaguely so, in his actual works, from my understanding), but upon reading this again, I think Moore was being sneaky in injecting Lovecraftian horror. We see some of what's happening in a blurred way, due to the character's poor eyesight and lose of contacts. And one thing that does go unseen is whatever creature the cultists are summoning with their orgy (well, we see a certain part of it...but, well, yeah), and we only get to see this blurred, unrecognizable outline of it. I feel like we're suppose to take back what we're being shown is quite demeaning and evil, but that, oh, we can't be shown that, at least not yet. It's subtle, but I do think that's how Moore is utilizing that technique for something along that lines.

Probably one thing I am disappointed in with this isn't necessarily about the book, but there was a video someone did that dissected the way Moore and Burrows used techniques of the comic medium in very interesting ways. Some of them I caught (like the clever use of bleed and the way the thug they chased fell into the 'gutter'), but others I totally missed (like the illustration of 3 dimensional invading 2 dimensional). With the content of this, I don't see he/her/they being able to do that with the content of this issue without heavily censoring panels to post it to YouTube (though I suppose they could upload it elsewhere, but I wouldn't know how to find it). I also didn't see any indication of continuation that the main character realized she's in a fictitious world, which I felt was hinted at in the first issue. Maybe I was looking a little too much into that, but I hope not, kind of felt that was interesting.

So, even though this issue definitely was not what I expected, I still enjoyed and look forward to the next. The orgy scene was very unexpected, and I'm still not 100% sure what to think of it, but I have enough faith in Moore as a storyteller to think it had storytelling merit, and wasn't just cheap shock. This may not be Moore at his peak, but despite what some claim, I still think he has gas left in the storytelling tank. I just hope the wait between this issue and next isn't so damn long.
 
That sounds like something I would absolutely hate :)

Moore is SO not my kind of writer.
 
I know JH can understand the "limited budget" theory; but, I also know there have been numerous times where a few of us have raved about a comic, and JH has gone out and found a place within his budget to get it. Many times, he'll end up dropping a book that isn't doing it for him.

Even with the "limited budget" theory, it's not that difficult to find a way to stop by your local comic shop, spend an extra ten minutes and look at what everyone is talking about.

Personally, I hate feeling like I've "missed the boat" on certain comics. And, the later it goes, the harder it tends to be to get on the bandwagon. Invincible is probably the biggest example. I have a few issues that I've found in bargain bins; but, I have only read one issue of that comic, and that was the crossover with Astounding Wolf-Man. I wish to GOD that I got into that book when it first came out; but, back then, Image wasn't putting out much to take notice of, and I was mainly a Marvel guy. (When you are a married comic reader, you tend to have to do that "limited budget" thing.) There is a part of me that wants the original, first-print copies of everything, and (I don't know why) trades just don't do it for me.

I hate that! If I would have jumped on the bandwagon when I first started hearing about the book...around issue 15 or so....I wouldn't have gotten so far behind. (Thankfully, my interest in Walking Dead made me pick up those first two trades, and I've bought that book ever since.) I just keep hoping to find that one amazing deal that gets me most of that series in single issue form, I guess.

Let's say next week I decide to actually drop INVINCIBLE IRON MAN to try UNCANNY X-FORCE #1. The price? I'm out an extra dollar. IIM is $3.

I can relate to that. INVINCIBLE is, again, a case where I hopped on soon enough. I got on around the 3rd year, after the first two HC's and I think two trades after. And that was already a lot of material; more than for Brubaker's CA when I got on. Hopping on now? After 70+ issues? I can certainly imagine it being harder. Kirkman occasionally does do "jumping on" issues, but it's always hard to trust that.

That 70+ issue hurdle is definitely a major factor for why I never gave WALKING DEAD a chance; that, and me not being a fan of the zombie apocalypse genre. If I am in the mood, which is rare, I can always just rent a movie; but spend over $100 for comics? More of a hurdle.

Invincible is a PRIME example of something I wish I'd have jumped onto. After it was well underway I wanted to get into it but can't afford it and...yes... I DL'd them to give them a shot. I want to say I read the first 30 issues or so and I LOVED them but the earlier issues are unfindable and at the time I hated trades. Man I wish I'd have tried that series out though. It's so much to get caught up on now.

Fortunately I don't mind trades as much now and I bought the first volume of it not long ago, same with the first 2 volumes of Y the Last Man (I have read all of these through DL'ing and am eager to actually own them). I want to keep going on these but I usually can't afford them. I know my half priced books has a couple volumes of Y so I'll get those soon but I really want those Invincible trades!

Libraries can sometimes be a cheaper alternative, although the ones in my area are slapdash with that sort of thing.
 
I loved X-Force from the first issue to it's last and thought it was the best X-Book out. I think this new issue shows that this new run may end up being better, as it's a better fit for what the purpose of the team is. And while I do like Kyle and Yost, I think Remender could potentially be a better fit for the book.

I haven't read UXF #1 yet but I think X-Men is the best title right now. When I first saw the teasers with all of the vampires I groaned big time. Gischler is pulling it off though, I will never doubt the man again.....
 
I do get the idea of a limited budget and since Marvel jacked up their prices, I've had to slash some titles I actually cared about to keep going. So I understand a reluctance to jump into a book that has no charcters you are interested in. If Marvel is dropping prices back down like someone said, I've yet to feel it. :(
 
I guess it's safe to assume that no one outside me and Watchman are reading Neonomicon? Or even really know what it is? It is kind of strange to see a lack of any real coverage or talk about an Alan Moore scripted comic, but I guess being put out from a small indie that literally runs itself on one or two authors gimps anyone's comic from getting much attention.

Whatever the case, I have to wonder what the reaction to this issue would be if it were being published by Vertigo or Icon or, hell, even Image and would get more mainstream coverage. Well, I'm guessing it probably wouldn't have been published, so maybe that's a dumb thought to have. I had heard that Avatar Press really does let their writers and artists do pretty much anything without censorship, but I am a little shocked that they let Moore and Burrows go this far with the second issue. Especially that shot (which I mean in two senses, Watchman will get what I'm talking about, I'm sure) near the end.

Anyway, I definitely did not see this direction coming, especially since the first issue focused almost completely on psychological horror. To see this out there, bluntly, and in your face like that totally threw me for a loop. At first, I thought it was very unLovecraftian, since Lovecraft was mostly know for his idea of using horror of the unknown, unseen, and ununderstandable (I believe most of the creatures, Gods and entities from his mythos aren't described, or only vaguely so, in his actual works, from my understanding), but upon reading this again, I think Moore was being sneaky in injecting Lovecraftian horror. We see some of what's happening in a blurred way, due to the character's poor eyesight and lose of contacts. And one thing that does go unseen is whatever creature the cultists are summoning with their orgy (well, we see a certain part of it...but, well, yeah), and we only get to see this blurred, unrecognizable outline of it. I feel like we're suppose to take back what we're being shown is quite demeaning and evil, but that, oh, we can't be shown that, at least not yet. It's subtle, but I do think that's how Moore is utilizing that technique for something along that lines.

Probably one thing I am disappointed in with this isn't necessarily about the book, but there was a video someone did that dissected the way Moore and Burrows used techniques of the comic medium in very interesting ways. Some of them I caught (like the clever use of bleed and the way the thug they chased fell into the 'gutter'), but others I totally missed (like the illustration of 3 dimensional invading 2 dimensional). With the content of this, I don't see he/her/they being able to do that with the content of this issue without heavily censoring panels to post it to YouTube (though I suppose they could upload it elsewhere, but I wouldn't know how to find it). I also didn't see any indication of continuation that the main character realized she's in a fictitious world, which I felt was hinted at in the first issue. Maybe I was looking a little too much into that, but I hope not, kind of felt that was interesting.

So, even though this issue definitely was not what I expected, I still enjoyed and look forward to the next. The orgy scene was very unexpected, and I'm still not 100% sure what to think of it, but I have enough faith in Moore as a storyteller to think it had storytelling merit, and wasn't just cheap shock. This may not be Moore at his peak, but despite what some claim, I still think he has gas left in the storytelling tank. I just hope the wait between this issue and next isn't so damn long.

Ya know, I might have seen that first issue in my shop, and I opened the book...and, if it's the one I was thinking about, it was pretty darn graphic. If I was younger, I might have been more willing to give it a try; but, as I get older, it becomes more of a turn-off.

Funny thing is when I was a teen, Heavy Metal was the big comic that had all the violence and nudity. I recently got an issue of that to see how it's progressed through the years, and it's more PG than Marvel's Max line of comics. Not an illustrated boob in the whole book! I felt like Heavy Metal got castrated or something.
 
Star Wars Omnibus: A Long Time Ago.... Vol. 2

This came out last week; but, I was waiting a bit for some extra cash before I picked it up. I love this new series of Omnibus', as Dark Horse is giving Star Wars fans a reasonably priced alternative to getting all those classic Marvel comics that came out between 1977-1986. Now, I have all of the original series, but I prefer not to open up the bags..and, these copies look really nice.

This Omnibus collects issues 28-49, and Annual #1. Good stuff!!! :woot:
 
I haven't read UXF #1 yet but I think X-Men is the best title right now. When I first saw the teasers with all of the vampires I groaned big time. Gischler is pulling it off though, I will never doubt the man again.....

The art by Paco Medina, of what I've seen, is good. I've liked his stuff since I saw it on MARVEL TEAM-UP and NEW WARRIORS. I'm just always stunned that he's been assigned to often dark X-Men type stories like in that and NEW X-MEN, given that he seems a natural for daylight superhero stuff.

I do get the idea of a limited budget and since Marvel jacked up their prices, I've had to slash some titles I actually cared about to keep going. So I understand a reluctance to jump into a book that has no charcters you are interested in. If Marvel is dropping prices back down like someone said, I've yet to feel it. :(

You may not feel it for a while. All Marvel has claimed is that they'll not launch any new ongoing title at $3.99 starting Jan. 2011. There's no word on whether they'd roll back the prices on any books that debuted before then that are $3.99, such as most of the Avengers titles, THOR, etc. There is also no word that mini's and one-shots won't also remain that price. There IS word, however, that Marvel may tuck back their releases starting next year to trim some fat. Basically, less random movie related material, but that's still a rumor.
 
I just SOOO welcome that. I don't mind paying the $3.99 for a comic that is giving me more material; but, it's the small comics that get my goat. Recently, DC was charging $3.99 for American Vampire; but, those first five issues were 32 pages in length with the addition Stephen King story. Now, since issue 6 when King left the title, we get almost ten fewer pages...but, the same price. It really strikes hard when the double-sized books, like Batman: Hidden Treasures, is $4.99.

My question is what the independant market is going to do. Dynamite has quite a few $3.99 titles, and they aren't really giving extra-sized books to justify that price, like DC and Marvel has been doing. I'm wondering with DC and Marvel lowering prices, will that effect the Independants. (For example, Dynamo 5. That title needs to be a bit cheaper.)


Plus, not sure if anyone knows the answer to this question: Do the writers/artists get more money when the companies are charging $3.99 instead of $2.99? If they are, I mind a little less to be paying more, knowing they are being a little more rewarded for their efforts. But, if the pay is the same, I think they should be up in arms over that fact.
 
Marvel has claimed the price hikes were so they could continue to pay for top talent.

As for DYNAMO 5, that comic has always had a higher price because of low sales. After the first arc, which was mostly 20 pages for $3.50 (although I think issue one was actually over 22 pages), the price was cropped to $2.99 for two issues. Faerber claimed that it didn't sell well enough to keep at $2.99. Given how low that SINS OF THE FATHER sells, unless the creative team for it is earning less than average page rates for their work, or sales from trades make up stuff more than I expect, they're barely seeing a profit for the mini series even at $3.99 an issue. Things at Image work different; the creators still own the property, but Image takes a cut, I believe. Whereas with Marvel or DC, THEY own the property.

I am sure if D5 sold, say, within the Top 110 or so, the price would be lower. The problem is it doesn't, and hasn't for a very long time.

Still, the big two have less excuse to charge $3.99 for books that they know will sell well, just because, like AVENGERS.
 
Ultimate Thor #1

Hickman's first issue was decent enough. It jumps from modern day (Thor is writing his history) to the beginnings of WWII (as the Nazi's, with the help of Baron Zemo, try to harness the powers of Asgard to their benefit). There is some good stuff here, but nothing earth-shaking. It was interesting the the Warriors Three were the three brothers, Loki, Thor and Balder. And, seeing the Nazi's invading Asgard with the help of the Ice Giants was kind of neat. :yay:

Klaws Of The Panther #1

This mini sets itself instantly apart from the previous Black Panther series and Doomwar by taking itself a little less serious. Instead of threats against the nation of Wakanda, with backdoor alliances and backstabbing, we get a simple plot, where the new Black Panther has been sent to The Savage Land to get some of their vibranium from Ka-Zar. As per usual, we start with some dinosaur action, and quickly learn that Shuri has been duped. Turns out Ka-Zar has been missing for quite a few days, and Black Panther and Shanna must team-up to find out the truth. What they discover is AIM being led by Klaw. (Not too big of a surprise with the title of this mini.) Like with the previous reviewed comic, this is nothing ground-breaking; but, it was still a fun read. :yay:

Tron Betrayal #1

Big price-tag for this prequel to the upcoming movie, Tron. At $4.99, I'm not sure how many are going to want to jump at this book; but, it's also an indication of what the merger with Disney might bring us in the future.

I remember the original movie, and even own a copy of it in my DVD collection. I tried watching it a few months back; but, it doesn't hold up that well...and, my kids got quickly bored with it. This comic will not do much to make kids feel any differently. We get very little action, and a whole lot of talk. We get to see how Kevin Flynn is handling things in the real world and in the Grid. To that end, Flynn creates Clu, a cyber version of himself, designed to take care of the problems within the Grid while he deals with his real life issues...like the birth of his son at issue's end.

If you haven't seen Tron, you will be rather confused about who all the characters are and what they're talking about; and, if you haven't seen the movie in many, many years, it might take you awhile to get the hang of things. In my first reading, I was less than impressed. After getting to the end, I did a quick re-read, and found myself enjoying it a bit more. I still can't give it a big recommendation; but, there is enough there to make me want to see what comes with the next ... and final ... issue. :dry::yay:

Shadowland: Spider-Man One-Shot

I was excited about reading this issue, seeing Slott's name on the cover. That's about where that ended. Seriously, this might be the single worst issue of a Slott comic that I have read in quite some time. It has more to do with Mr. Negative than with Shadowland; and, frankly, I'm supremely bored with Mr. Negative. (This gangland war just feels like a poor man's copy of those classic issues from the 80's.)

In this issue, Spidey teams up with Shang-Chi to battle Mr. Negative and Daredevil's ninjas. Being a one-shot, the plot doesn't get much beyond that, although Slott does make an interesting case for how he might be good at writing a Shang-Chi mini in the future. It's just that I expect great things from Dan Slott with every issue I read, and this just doesn't have much substance. Even as a Shadowland issue, it holds no significance to the main story. It's simply filler. :dry:

Greek Street #16

The final issue...and, it couldn't come at a better time. If I didn't know this book was going to be cancelled soon, I would have dropped it months ago. It feels like it wanted to be more than what it was; but, I'm not big on my Greek mythology, so many things I probably wasn't connecting to for that reason. This ending, though, felt rushed...and, I'm not too sure this is how Milligan really envisioned his book ending. I can't figure sales (even at Vertigo standards) were that great. :csad:

SHIELD #4

This would make a good Vertigo title; it feels like it wants to be a whole lot more than I care to read. I'm sure some people laud it for it's originality and creativity; but, GOD, does it bore me to death with all it's talk and ZERO action. :dry::csad:
 
I guess it's safe to assume that no one outside me and Watchman are reading Neonomicon? Or even really know what it is? It is kind of strange to see a lack of any real coverage or talk about an Alan Moore scripted comic, but I guess being put out from a small indie that literally runs itself on one or two authors gimps anyone's comic from getting much attention.

I'm not that surprised that the book is getting such little press. Even though it may be one of Moore's final comic project due to how graphic the book is I think most people are just going to stay away from covering it. The only other mainstream writers that would probably attempt a scene like this would be Ennis and Lapham (speaking of what did you think of Deadpool) and that would probably mainly played out for laughs.

Whatever the case, I have to wonder what the reaction to this issue would be if it were being published by Vertigo or Icon or, hell, even Image and would get more mainstream coverage. Well, I'm guessing it probably wouldn't have been published, so maybe that's a dumb thought to have. I had heard that Avatar Press really does let their writers and artists do pretty much anything without censorship, but I am a little shocked that they let Moore and Burrows go this far with the second issue. Especially that shot (which I mean in two senses, Watchman will get what I'm talking about, I'm sure) near the end.

Anyway, I definitely did not see this direction coming, especially since the first issue focused almost completely on psychological horror. To see this out there, bluntly, and in your face like that totally threw me for a loop. At first, I thought it was very unLovecraftian, since Lovecraft was mostly know for his idea of using horror of the unknown, unseen, and ununderstandable (I believe most of the creatures, Gods and entities from his mythos aren't described, or only vaguely so, in his actual works, from my understanding), but upon reading this again, I think Moore was being sneaky in injecting Lovecraftian horror. We see some of what's happening in a blurred way, due to the character's poor eyesight and lose of contacts. And one thing that does go unseen is whatever creature the cultists are summoning with their orgy (well, we see a certain part of it...but, well, yeah), and we only get to see this blurred, unrecognizable outline of it. I feel like we're suppose to take back what we're being shown is quite demeaning and evil, but that, oh, we can't be shown that, at least not yet. It's subtle, but I do think that's how Moore is utilizing that technique for something along that lines.

Probably one thing I am disappointed in with this isn't necessarily about the book, but there was a video someone did that dissected the way Moore and Burrows used techniques of the comic medium in very interesting ways. Some of them I caught (like the clever use of bleed and the way the thug they chased fell into the 'gutter'), but others I totally missed (like the illustration of 3 dimensional invading 2 dimensional). With the content of this, I don't see he/her/they being able to do that with the content of this issue without heavily censoring panels to post it to YouTube (though I suppose they could upload it elsewhere, but I wouldn't know how to find it). I also didn't see any indication of continuation that the main character realized she's in a fictitious world, which I felt was hinted at in the first issue. Maybe I was looking a little too much into that, but I hope not, kind of felt that was interesting.

So, even though this issue definitely was not what I expected, I still enjoyed and look forward to the next. The orgy scene was very unexpected, and I'm still not 100% sure what to think of it, but I have enough faith in Moore as a storyteller to think it had storytelling merit, and wasn't just cheap shock. This may not be Moore at his peak, but despite what some claim, I still think he has gas left in the storytelling tank. I just hope the wait between this issue and next isn't so damn long.

What I found important is the main character always raises the point that this is playing out like a Lovecraft story. The horror comes from a dramatic shift into something that would never occur in one of his books.

I guess that's what makes it so Lovecraftian. Just like the missing eyesight and contacts the fear of the unknowable comes into play. We don't bat an eye to the violence because that stuff would be common in Lovecraft but monster orgy is something new and terrifying. We have no idea where the story can go after Moore has perverted the Lovecraft type story.
 
I'm not a big fan of the Ultimate line, but I picked up Ultimate Thor because of Hickman and Pacheco. I thought it was a fantastic issue, and I'm definitely on board for the rest of the mini. Hickman hasn't disappointed me yet, including on S.H.I.E.L.D.. Issue 4 was great, as we finally start to get some answers. No action? Meh. I don't really care if my comic books have action, as long as the story is intriguing and worth sticking around for. My tastes have changed since I was 13, so I don't need all the "biff, bam, pow, whack!" to keep myself entertained. I guess I can understand why people would be turned off this title. Not a lot of action, big ideas that require more than one read through, and it is retconning S.H.I.E.L.D.'s history, throwing historical geniuses into the mix. But I love this book. Everything from the art (BEAUTIFUL), to seeing fictionalized historical figures being incorporated into the MU. I like that already incredibly gifted people, are slightly more so in this fantastic fictional world (hell yeah to seeing Ben Franklin cameo!). I try not to take comics seriously at all, so retcons really don't bother me, especially when they are well written and the story keeps me engaged.
 
I'm not a big fan of the Ultimate line, but I picked up Ultimate Thor because of Hickman and Pacheco. I thought it was a fantastic issue, and I'm definitely on board for the rest of the mini. Hickman hasn't disappointed me yet, including on S.H.I.E.L.D.. Issue 4 was great, as we finally start to get some answers. No action? Meh. I don't really care if my comic books have action, as long as the story is intriguing and worth sticking around for. My tastes have changed since I was 13, so I don't need all the "biff, bam, pow, whack!" to keep myself entertained. I guess I can understand why people would be turned off this title. Not a lot of action, big ideas that require more than one read through, and it is retconning S.H.I.E.L.D.'s history, throwing historical geniuses into the mix. But I love this book. Everything from the art (BEAUTIFUL), to seeing fictionalized historical figures being incorporated into the MU. I like that already incredibly gifted people, are slightly more so in this fantastic fictional world (hell yeah to seeing Ben Franklin cameo!). I try not to take comics seriously at all, so retcons really don't bother me, especially when they are well written and the story keeps me engaged.

Sure, you don't need action to enjoy a book; but, after four issues, I wish I could say that more has happened in this title. Seriously, I feel what we've read for four issues could EASILY have filled a double-sized first issue. (Which doesn't help that this book comes out bi-monthly, either.)

Madame Xanadu #27

This series of one-off issues that deal with the five senses have been pretty darn good. Where as I complain that Hickman is just taking forever in telling SHIELD, Wagner spends only an issue to tell a very interesting story dealing with touch. With very little action and just a brief appearance by Madame Xanadu, the reader still gets extremely involved in the story. It's neither too short nor too long. :yay:

American Vampire #7

This new storyline by Scott Snyder...I'm just not feeling it. That might also be that I'm a bit peeved by DC for shorting us on content, yet charging the same price as the first five issues. (That's ten fewer pages since Stephen King's backup feature has left this title...and, we still get charged $3.99.) The story itself isn't that bad; I just wish I was more invested in the characters. I'm still holding out hope, though; as it feels that this might just be part of a bigger picture. :dry::yay:

Batman Confidential #49

I now debate whether this is my final issue of this title...or, if I stick around for the next 5-part series. I liked this issue more than the bunch previous, as we got to see Batman solve a single mystery just using his detective techniques. (Much more enjoyable than the last Werewolves/Zombie/Vampire storyline.) It's a good one-off story...and, maybe it's best to take it off my pull list, and just scan the new issues to see if the upcoming storyline intrigues me or not. :yay:

Captain America: Forever Allies #3

I'm very surprised I'm enjoying these Cap-minis more than Brubaker's regular series. This one jumps back and forth between the early days of Bucky, when he was with the Young Allies, to the current, where he is trying to solve the mystery of how Lady Lotus can still be alive today. Both stories show how Lotus is in search of a gem that can control minds, and I find I enjoy the story from the past as much as the one that's current. :yay:
 
My problem with SHIELD wasn't the lack of action, it was the self-congratulatory feel I got from it. Like Hickman thinks just throwing these historical figures in at regular intervals is itself worthy of praise and a cornerstone of what makes the book great. I don't get whatever charge out of seeing Sir Isaac Newton as a manipulative jerk I'm supposed to, I guess, so the historical figures' novelty wore off for me somewhere around the 2nd issue, leaving little more than a mess of retcons with no other purpose than to, again, stuff as many historical figures into the more-secret-than-secret-society version of SHIELD that Hickman's concocted and reveal that what we thought we knew about the various alien invasions and superheroic era and such wasn't actually what happened. It just doesn't do anything for me.

Actually, the thing it reminds me most of is The Da Vinci Code. Lots of mystery and mystique, which can be fun for a while, but it kind of collapses under its own weight and lack of genuine substance. A fun diversion if it's just a meaningless story, but not something I lend much credence to if it's supposed to be genuine history--or, in Marvel's case, canon.
 
I'm not that surprised that the book is getting such little press. Even though it may be one of Moore's final comic project due to how graphic the book is I think most people are just going to stay away from covering it. The only other mainstream writers that would probably attempt a scene like this would be Ennis and Lapham (speaking of what did you think of Deadpool) and that would probably mainly played out for laughs.

Yeah, good point. And I did enjoy Deadpool MAX, it was demented in the funnest way. I plan to check following it.

What I found important is the main character always raises the point that this is playing out like a Lovecraft story. The horror comes from a dramatic shift into something that would never occur in one of his books.

I guess that's what makes it so Lovecraftian. Just like the missing eyesight and contacts the fear of the unknowable comes into play. We don't bat an eye to the violence because that stuff would be common in Lovecraft but monster orgy is something new and terrifying. We have no idea where the story can go after Moore has perverted the Lovecraft type story.

Yeah, awesome observation, definitely makes sense. I didn't even know this book existed until I happened to see it on the Diamond List, glad I caught it.
 
Well it seems I'm the only one enjoying it around here. And I'm really having a hard time following the logic that because Hickman is using historical figures to tell a story, he is in some way self congratulatory.
 

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