Action-Adventure The All Encompassing Zorro thread

[Reek]

I was thinking V for Vendetta meets Judge Dredd... where only the 'judges' have guns

 

[Lighthouse]

Well...

But yeah, I agree. Again, I think they would be smart to keep Zorro very low tech to juxtapose him against a Sci Fi future. It certainly would raise the stakes dramatically.

I know he uses guns in the past, but it's different when they're one-shot flintlocks. Futuristic usually implies assault weapons or ray guns, neither of which I'm real keen on seeing Zorro use. I don't want to see him shooting bullet Z's into a wall.

 

[Alien Anal]

Has it been said it will be a cyberpunk future or something closer to Children of Men?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I know he uses guns in the past, but it's different when they're one-shot flintlocks. Futuristic usually implies assault weapons or ray guns, neither of which I'm real keen on seeing Zorro use. I don't want to see him shooting bullet Z's into a wall.

As stated, I agree. Him using a lazer gun or a machine gun, as practical as it would be honestly would rob the distinctive traits of the character, who even though there have been glosses on the character, like the serial that put him in 1940's L.A., where he was not in his Old California setting, is iconic for being a cunning rogue of a swordsman. And I think again, there's a chance to work that in dramatically and perhaps even dramatically theme wise into such a film.

An outlaw in a future world living "off the grid" so as to not be part of a system that tracks an individual's every movement, where he must use methods that bypass all the high tech security apparatus could play into the theme of inspiring the masses etc. Hell... Keep Tornado even. Have scenes where the forces he's fighting against have advanced transportation of some kind but Zorro makes them look like fools riding his horse into the rough terrain and disappears into the hinterlands or some such.


Again... I don't want to make this out to be a slam dunk of a concept. It's about how it is executed. But I don't think there's anything inherently stupid or wrong in doing a version of Zorro in the future. And even my suggestion that they keep it "old school"? Eh... Maybe that's not how the creators see it? Maybe they find a way to keep the essence of Zorro as the master swordsman and swashbuckling figure but he also has some kind of futuristic update that fits the character? I'm open to it all. And if this fails I am confident someone will come along with a new version of this perennial American made hero in the near future.

 

[Guts]

I'd watch Zorro shooting a Z into a wall using a flintlock.

 

[Lighthouse]

I'd watch Zorro shooting a Z into a wall using a flintlock.

That'd take like half an hour.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That'd take like half an hour.

I was about to say.

"Alright... Just gotta reload about 15 more times and we're done."

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was thinking V for Vendetta meets Judge Dredd... where only the 'judges' have guns

That's... a pretty good idea actually.

 

[Guts]

He could also just load multiple guns and use each one after each shot.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

He could also just load multiple guns and use each one after each shot.

 

[Reek]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Actually... Get the whole Sheen/Estevez clan involved. Have Charlie dress up as the Frito Bandito again like he did in The Arrival from 1996.

 

[Aximili86]

Ehh, not so sure about this.

It sort of makes sense, get all Batman Beyond with it for something a little different, I just for whatever reason can't get into it conceptually. But I think that's less to do with it being a problem to set Zorro specifically in a new setting, and more just like "there are plenty of futuristic/dystopian/cyberpunk movies out there, and we don't often get cool Mexican-American 1840s/50s movies".

Zorro has a bit of a different flavor to your usual western, so it'd be cool to get more of that stuff. Futuristic's just...sure, Zorro can be futuristic, I guess? But what's even the point?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ehh, not so sure about this.

It sort of makes sense, get all Batman Beyond with it for something a little different, I just for whatever reason can't get into it conceptually. But I think that's less to do with it being a problem to set Zorro specifically in a new setting, and more just like "there are plenty of futuristic/dystopian/cyberpunk movies out there, and we don't often get cool Mexican-American 1840s/50s movies".

Zorro has a bit of a different flavor to your usual western, so it'd be cool to get more of that stuff. Futuristic's just...sure, Zorro can be futuristic, I guess? But what's even the point?

The same point as the SHERLOCK and ELEMENTARY series?

http://zorro.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Zorro_Films

American films Edit
The Mark of Zorro (1920), with Douglas Fairbanks
Don Q, Son of Zorro (1925), with Douglas Fairbanks
The Bold Caballero (1936), with Robert Livingston
Zorro's Fighting Legion (1939), with Reed Hadley
The Mark of Zorro (1940), with Tyrone Power
The Sign of Zorro (1958), with Guy Williams, portions of the first 13 Zorro TV series episodes edited into a feature film, released overseas in 1958 and domestically in 1960.
Zorro, the Avenger (1959), with Guy Williams, another theatrical compilation of several Zorro TV episodes, released overseas, and was not seen in the United States until it was eventually aired on the Disney Channel.
The Mark of Zorro (1974), a made for television movie with Frank Langella as Zorro that reuses the Alfred Newman theme from 1940's The Mark of Zorro.
Zorro, The Gay Blade (1981), a parody, with George Hamilton. Diego, Jr., breaks his leg shortly after launching his career as a new Zorro, and his gay twin brother Ramon, now calling himself Bunny Wigglesworth, volunteers to fill in while he recuperates.
The Mask of Zorro (1998), played against tradition, with Anthony Hopkins as an aged Don Diego de la Vega and Antonio Banderas as Alejandro Murrieta, a misfit outlaw/cowboy who is groomed to become the next Zorro.
The Legend of Zorro (2005), the sequel to 1998's The Mask of Zorro, again starring Antonio Banderas.
20th Century Fox is working on a reboot Zorro film called Zorro Reborn with Gael Garcia Bernal in the title role set in the future with a script by Glen Gers, Lee Shipman, and Brian McGeevy. Sony also plans another film with a script by Christopher Stetson Boal based on the novel by Isabel Allende as a less traditional swashbuckler and more of a Dark Knight style unveiling of the character with a new backstory, gritty realism and emotional core with swordplay, combined with the martial arts that came from Europe and created a deadly combination of action and lethal fighting systems that combined swords, daggers, grappling and bare knuckles. Sony are planning on working a Django Unchained and Zorro crossover movie.

Mexican films Edit
La Gran Aventura Del Zorro (1974), Mexican Western with Rodolfo de Anda, the first Mexican actor to play the role; with Pedro Armendáriz Jr. as the villain and set in a very primitive San Francisco Bay Area.
A similar character was "The Black Wolf" set in Monterey, California in 1846.

El lobo negro (1981) Spain & Mexico Fernando Allende
Duelo a muerte/Revenge of the Black Wolf (1981) Spain Fernando Allende
European films Edit
In addition to a variety of Zorro films, European producers also used a similar character called the Coyote.

À la manière de Zorro / In the Way of Zorro (1926) Belgium William Elie
Il sogno di Zorro (1952) Italy Walter Chiari
La montaña sin ley (1953) Spain José Suárez (Suárez is the first Spanish actor to play the role)
Zorro alla corte di Spagna / Zorro at the Spanish Court (1962) Italy George Ardisson
La venganza del Zorro / Zorro the Avenger (1962) Spain Frank Latimore
L'ombra di Zorro / The Shadow of Zorro (1962) Italy, Spain & France Frank Latimore
Le tre spade di Zorro / The Three Swords of Zorro (1963) Spain & Italy Guy Stockwell
Zorro e i tre moschettieri / Zorro and the Three Musketeers (1963) Italy Gordon Scott
Zorro contro Maciste / Samson and the Slave Queen (1963) Italy & Spain Pierre Brice
Il segno di Zorro (it) / Duel at the Rio Grande (1963) Spain, Italy & France Sean Flynn
El Zorro cabalga otra vez / Behind the Mask of Zorro (1965) Italy & Spain Tony Russel
Zorro il ribelle / Zorro the Rebel (1966) Italy Howard Ross
El Zorro (1968) Italy & Spain George Ardisson
I nipoti di Zorro / The Nephews of Zorro (1968) Italy Dean Reed (comedy with Franco & Ciccio)
Zorro marchese di Navarra / Zorro, the Navarra Marquis (1969) Italy Nino Vingelli
Zorro alla corte d'Inghilterra / Zorro in the Court of England (1969) Italy Spiros Focás
El Zorro justiciero (1969) Italy & Spain Fabio Testi
La última aventura del Zorro (1970) Spain & Italy Carlos Quiney
El Zorro de Monterrey (1971) Spain & Italy Carlos Quiney
Zorro il cavaliere della vendetta / Zorro, Rider of Vengeance (1971) Spain & Italy Carlos Quiney
The Erotic Adventures of Zorro (1972) France, USA & West Germany Douglas Frey
Les aventures galantes de Zorro (1972) France & Belgium Jean-Michel Dhermay
Il figlio di Zorro / Son of Zorro (1973) Italy & Spain Alberto Dell'Acqua
Le meravigliose avventure di Zorro (1974) Italy
Il sogno di Zorro / Grandsons of Zorro (1975) Italy Franco Franchi
Zorro (1975) Italy & France Alain Delon
La marque de Zorro (1975) France Monica Swinn
Ah sì? E io lo dico a Zzzzorro! / Mark of Zorro (1976) Italy & Spain George Hilton
The Coyote of "El Coyote" was a creation of Spanish novelist José Mallorquí Figuerola writing as Carter Mulford beginning with a novel of the same name in 1943.

El coyote (1955) Spain & Mexico Act Odón Alonso
La justicia del Coyote / Judgement of Coyote (1956) Spain & Mexico Odón Alonso
Il segno del coyote / The Sign of the Coyote (1963) Italy & Spain Fernando Casanova
La vuelta de El Coyote / The Return of El Coyote (1998) Spain José Coronado
Film serials Edit
Zorro Rides Again (1937), with John Carroll as a modern-day descendant, James Vega
Zorro's Fighting Legion (1939), with Reed Hadley as the original Zorro/Don Diego de la Vega
Zorro's Black Whip (1944), with Linda Stirling as an 1880s female descendent, The Black Whip
Son of Zorro (1947), with George Turner as a Civil War descendant, Jeff Stewart
Ghost of Zorro (1949), with Clayton Moore as Ken Mason, Zorro's grandson/"The Ghost of Zorro"

After so many versions that mostly all hew to the classic version to try something... Different. Could it suck? Yeah. Could also be great. Or mediocre. Can't judge til I've seen it or at least a trailer.

 

[chamber-music]

Has it been said it will be a cyberpunk future or something closer to Children of Men?

Sounds like a futuristic update like what they did win the nineties with the Phantom animated series.
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[Loden Greatstorm]

Any idea when filing will begin?

 

[Aximili86]

The same point as the SHERLOCK and ELEMENTARY series?

Sure, you can do it. But why? There are plenty of current-set eccentric-detective shows (all mostly taking elements from Sherlock anyway).

Might as well keep the classic in his period piece setting, given you don't see as much of it anymore.

*Shrugs* Just personal preference, I guess. Curious to see this anyway, any Zorro is welcome Zorro. Just sort of reeks a little of what they did with that Phantom show a while back. Like...it's not some egregious change in and of itself that ruins anything, just also comes off a little arbitrary and pointless.

 

[Galactus123]

I see your avy is from BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES.

How do you feel about BATMAN BEYOND? Personally... It was never for me. But I don't begrudge it's fans. My mindset is... I don't want to see a future tech Batman but apparently my tastes are not indicative of the fans out there that had no problem with it. So too here I suspect if the trailer shows us something worth watching.

I have only seen few episodes and it was ok. I watched the first episode Rebirth on Youtube and maybe few other episodes on tv many years ago. It was great to see Kevin Conroy as old Bruce Wayne and the future Batman suit looks cool.

 

[Mysteryman]

That'd take like half an hour.

If he was using Miraculous Movie Speed, it would only take about 15 seconds.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Will he have a horse or motorbike? That's the question.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Will he have a horse or motorbike? That's the question.

It has to be a motorbike.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Does it? Post apocalyptic land could be like the old wild west. Go back to basics. I agree if Zorro was set in this modern setting a motorbike would be the right answer.

 

[Marvolo]

Will he have a horse or motorbike? That's the question.

A mechanical motor horse.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

A mechanical motor horse.

Go VAMPIRE HUNTER D with it?

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[KRYPTON INC.]

Does it? Post apocalyptic land could be like the old wild west. Go back to basics. I agree if Zorro was set in this modern setting a motorbike would be the right answer.

This is what I'm leaning towards now. That said, I'm open to some snazzy future tech updates too if they come off well. I just think that it'd be more cool and inspiring if Future Zorro used a low tech approach.