The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion

[Spider-Aziz]

Plus Harry had the thing for what, two episodes?

Three

 

[Shikamaru]

I do agree with you. Though, my worry is that Sony would have pushed that idea on him.

Why would they do that though? There is absolutely nothing to indicate that they would do that. No evidence whatsoever. And if they did do that, Webb wouldn't be that excited to bring in Harry just like how Raimi wasn't excited when he brought in Brock and the symbiote. Sony already learned their lesson when it comes to Venom from their past experience (SM3). They wouldn't repeat it especially now that they have a good relationship with Marvel Studios.

Remember that Sony is the same studio that brought us The Spectacular Spider-Man t:...not Ultimate Spider-Man. lol

 

[danistheman12]

I mean thematically it makes sense, the ultimate symbiote was created for curing ills as well as cancer, in the amazing spider-man movie they already referenced that norman is slowly dying. Then we have harry, an old child hood friend returning (eddie brock jr in the ultimate comics). Plus, one of the themes of the new saga is "sins of the father". So the harry eventually becoming venom thing isn't THAT far fetched (thematically at least). This new universe as we all know is an amalgamation of the amazing and ultimate universes, so anything is possible...

 

[Shikamaru]

I mean thematically it makes sense, the ultimate symbiote was created for curing ills as well as cancer, in the amazing spider-man movie they already referenced that norman is slowly dying. Then we have harry, an old child hood friend returning (eddie brock jr in the ultimate comics). Plus, one of the themes of the new saga is "sins of the father". So the harry eventually becoming venom thing isn't THAT far fetched (thematically at least). This new universe as we all know is an amalgamation of the amazing and ultimate universes, so anything is possible...

Except Harry never became Venom in either. Also, Harry's "sins of the father" involve Norman becoming the Green Goblin. And Harry putting it on would do nothing to help his father. Only Norman putting it on would cure him, technically speaking.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Except Harry never became Venom in either

harry appears as venom at least 3 times to my knowledge in the new cartoon the ultimate spiderman, which i still find surprising and never quite understood why they did that

i wonder if marvel know something we don't, after all alot of these film companys use cartoons as a way to get people used too ideas

 

[Shikamaru]

harry appears as venom in the new cartoon the ultimate spiderman, which i still find surprising and never quite understood why they did that

i wonder if marvel know something we don't, after all alot of films use cartoons as a way to get people used too ideas

I was talking about the Amazing and Ultimate comics. Harry never became Venom in either.

Except that that idea just came from Loeb and Quesada's stupidities. There is nothing foreshadowed in that. It is just the result of 2 bad writers that don't know how to write Spidey or his villains or his supporting cast and decided to make a really dumb cartoon as opposed to a good one.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Seems like they have the set up which they could easily go the route of harry becomes venom if they wanted rather then introduce eddie brock

but hey alot of comic books take a few liberties, even Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan to Brian Singer

infact its quite amazing how chris nolan can make changes and people love his batman films even if bane isn't like in the comics

 

[Shikamaru]

Seems like they have the set up which they could easily go the route of harry becomes venom if they wanted rather then introduce eddie brock.

but hey alot of comic books take a few libertys, even Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan to Brian Singer

infact its quite amazing how chris nolan can make changes and people love his batman films even if bane isn't like in the comics

All they have is the introduction of Harry, Norman being sick, and Peter's parents working for Oscorp. Nothing to indicate the symbiote would even be introduced. There are plenty of things you can do with these 3 points. Plus, like I said before, why would Harry put on the symbiote to begin with? If it will be a cure for diseases, it would only make sense if Norman puts it on, technically speaking. Harry would have no reason to put it on unless he also has the same disease.

They do take a few liberties but only the more minor liberties are accepted. Major liberties have been mostly disliked by the fans throughout the years (with a few exceptions). Even Chris Nolan's major liberties with TDKR were not received that great. Bane and the rest of TDKR caused major controversy within the Batman fanbase. There are about just as many fans that hated the things in TDKR as there are fans that disliked the things in TDKR.

 

[danistheman12]

well if he's planting seeds for harry to become venom in later sequels, norman will probably be forced to use an untested goblin formula while peter uses the symbiote, yadda yadda yadda norman gets killed, peter gets rid of the symbiote, harry finds out peter is spider-man and blames him for not letting norman use the symbiote to cure his sickness, harry gets symbiote, becomes venom to avenge his father idk lol

 

[GoldGoblin]

well if he's planting seeds for harry to become venom in later sequels, norman will probably be forced to use an untested goblin formula while peter uses the symbiote, yadda yadda yadda norman gets killed, peter gets rid of the symbiote, harry finds out peter is spider-man and blames him for not letting norman use the symbiote to cure his sickness, harry gets symbiote, becomes venom to avenge his father idk lol

^
Sounds way better than a guy that Peter barely even knows who hates Peter for getting him fired.

 

[Anno_Domini]

True, but people don't really know that it's supposed to be a semi-reboot and not just a prequel. Not to mentions that it begins with the same scene as X-men 1

First Class is indeed tricky, but because of Days of Future Past, I think it's just more on the lines of alternate universes, but I do believe most people thought of First Class as a reboot and not a prequel even if we see a young Magneto at a concentration camp; but then again that is important to the character, so why would that have been changed anyways?

Also, there most likely are excited fans for the sequel, but X-Men simply doesn't have nearly as much fans as Spider-Man or Batman. And X-Men's poor history with movies doesn't help

I agree the property isn't up there with Spider-Man or Batman, but I think the sequel should be more anticipated just by looking at the critical acclaim First Class has over TAS-M.

I know that some of you were dissapointed with TASM but do you guys really have that low of an opinion of Marc Webb that you think he would actually borrow stuff from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon? The one adaptation fans consider to be the worst Spider-Man adaptation ever made because it goes against everything Spider-Man related? I find that to be a ridiculous stretch. You're stooping Webb to Schumacher's level.

And what's more, it makes no sense. The movie was already written before Harry even got the symbiote in the cartoon. Unless you're suggesting they altered an already-written film to fit a flash in the pan cartoon series for children? Plus Harry had the thing for what, two episodes? Yeah, that's totally something Webb would do and something Sony would be completely ok with.....

Win.

I highly doubt Harry Osborn will become Venom, so I just shrug off any comments that said the idea would be the best when it's simply not.

 

[GuestStar2004]

then its a case of if webb brings brock/vemon in the films does he repeat raimi which would be the getting fired eddie or repeat the friend thing they are doin with harry to match the ultimate comics.

Seems to me that anything could happen, im guessin sony would want vemon used again for solo film plans

 

[spida-man]

seems like they have the set up which they could easily go the route of harry becomes venom if they wanted rather then introduce eddie brock

but hey alot of comic books take a few liberties, even sam raimi and chris nolan to brian singer

infact its quite amazing how chris nolan can make changes and people love his batman films even if bane isn't like in the comics

this

 

[Spideyman123]

Day 5. #lerman #assistantdirector #snowday

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

infact its quite amazing how chris nolan can make changes and people love his batman films even if bane isn't like in the comics

Despite how much flak you get from this, it's true.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Seems like they have the set up which they could easily go the route of harry becomes venom if they wanted rather then introduce eddie brock

but hey alot of comic books take a few liberties, even Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan to Brian Singer

infact its quite amazing how chris nolan can make changes and people love his batman films even if bane isn't like in the comics

Because the changes he makes are still relatively based in the comic book lore and he made Bane better to be honest. What Nolan did is the same thing Whedon did with Avengers. There's a difference between taking comic lore, combining elements, and switching things around to fit the message of your movie, and just going left field with stuff, like Doom mutating metal skin and being on the ship with Reed and family.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Because the changes he makes are still relatively based in the comic book lore and he made Bane better to be honest. What Nolan did is the same thing Whedon did with Avengers. There's a difference between taking comic lore, combining elements, and switching things around to fit the message of your movie, and just going left field with stuff, like Doom mutating metal skin and being on the ship with Reed and family.

I'm not trying to defend the FF movies (terrible, terrible films), but how is giving Doom additional powers (metal skin) and changing his origin (in ship with the FF) any different/worse than Nolan taking away Bane's powers (no Venom) and changing his origin (not growing up in prison, being in the LoS with Bruce)? They're both slight changes in details that are justified by the story the directors wanted to tell.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Yes, especially when putting Doom in the ship with Reed fit the message of the story.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I'm not trying to defend the FF movies (terrible, terrible films), but how is giving Doom additional powers (metal skin) and changing his origin (in ship with the FF) any different/worse than Nolan taking away Bane's powers (no Venom) and changing his origin (not growing up in prison, being in the LoS with Bruce)?

Because I feel like that improved Bane's character whereas Victor's was lessened.

And Bane did grow up in the prison. He was a fully grown adult when the LoS got them out. And don't say him being in the LoS wasn't from the comics because it is.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Because I feel like that improved Bane's character whereas Victor's was lessened.

And Bane did grow up in the prison. He was a fully grown adult when the LoS got them out. And don't say him being in the LoS wasn't from the comics because it is.

Where is this established in the film? To my memory banes entire back story is rendered untrue by the big 'twist' and nothing is known about how he wound up in the prison by the end. It's actually one of the things that pissed me off about the film, the fact that they DID greatly improve bane's character, but then completely invalidated him with a forced plot twist.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Yeah so I'm guessing at this rate with it possibly titled, "The Amazing Spider-Man 2", the promo posters are probably gonna be the same ol' Spidey-in-the-city theme...
Pretty much how Raimi was too. Spidey looking out through the city..him swinging, the black suit reflection..

I wish they'd do something else other than that from now on..

 

[Shikamaru]

Nolan made Bane better? If by "better" you mean stripping him of his Venom & intelligence turning him into Talia's muscle, then sure. By the third act, we learn that Nolan's Bane is just a weaker and more talkative version of Schumacher's Bane.

The realism is not an excuse for getting rid of the Venom drug (just in case you bring that up). If you can have Scarecrow's fear gas, a machine strong enough to absorb the water in metal pipes but somehow doesn't absorb the water in your body, and a man walking around with burns that would kill you immediately then you can have the Venom drug work in this universe. It's not like the drug gives you some Hulk-like strength to begin with. It is technically similar to an advanced steroid. Even if you were to argue that the Venom drug couldn't work, there is no way you can argue that some sort of steroid couldn't have worked. Hell, there are scenes in the movie where you see Bane making holes through solid bricks yet he isn't using any form of enhanced steroid and no one but me thought that was weird. So in fact, using the Venom drug or something similar would've made a lot more sense in the context of the movie.

Also, when is it established that Bane grew up in that prison? As DarkSovereignty said, Bane's entire backstory is rendered untrue once Tate is revealed to be Talia. By that point, you know nothing about Bane. You don't know what stuff he's been saying throughout the movie was BS and what stuff was true.


*sigh* But anyways, this thread is about TASM 2. So let's not go off topic.

 

[The Vigilante]

So.....does anyone know when we can expect the first picture of the new costume? The anticipation is killing me

 

[Anno_Domini]

Stripping him of his intelligence, lol.

All of a sudden he's dumb just because he's working alongside Talia?

 

[chaseter]

I don't think we know enough to determine that.

I am referring to what Jamie Foxx said...which is his bio.