The Amazing Spider-Man

[Arach Knight]

Did you notice all the pouches? The big guns? The tiny feet?

Wrong Rob.

I am well versed in the realm of Liefeld's terrible art work. Everyone here has most likely read "The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings." Right off the bat, I could go "haha, they are spoofing a plethora of pouches a la Rob Liefeld" but instead, I see Rob Schrab style art. Rob Liefeld tends to have more grevious issues with anatomy other than overly stylized feet and hands. Issues such as misplaced bone structure, wrists as thick as the forearm they extend from, obscured feet/pointed feet, incorrectly sized limbs etc.
The list goes on.

Anyways, the art on that cover just doesn't properly mimic Liefeld's style from any point in time, other than the abundance of pouches. That is why I included a Scud illustration for reference. And for those who have some how magically missed "Rob Liefeld's 40 Worst Drawings," you can read up on it here...

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

And if that Spidey cover is supposed to be a joke, then it back fired miserably. When you improperly spoof absolute garbage...well you know what they say is one of the rules of comedy. Any joke that has to have the punch line explained, isn't funny.

 

[bryanss3]

thanks...figured you'd catch that

kudos on Joanna Angel. good porn reference

 

[Blader5489]

I am well versed in the realm of Liefeld's terrible art work. Everyone here has most likely read "The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings." Right off the bat, I could go "haha, they are spoofing a plethora of pouches a la Rob Liefeld" but instead, I see Rob Schrab style art. Rob Liefeld tends to have more grevious issues with anatomy other than overly stylized feet and hands. Issues such as misplaced bone structure, wrists as thick as the forearm they extend from, obscured feet/pointed feet, incorrectly sized limbs etc.
The list goes on.

Anyways, the art on that cover just doesn't properly mimic Liefeld's style from any point in time, other than the abundance of pouches. That is why I included a Scud illustration for reference. And for those who have some how magically missed "Rob Liefeld's 40 Worst Drawings," you can read up on it here...

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

And if that Spidey cover is supposed to be a joke, then it back fired miserably. When you improperly spoof absolute garbage...well you know what they say is one of the rules of comedy. Any joke that has to have the punch line explained, isn't funny.

I feel sorry for you man, I really do.

 

[mre]

I thought Spidey looked like Cable or something. Didn't Deadpool recently have a series with Cable?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Wow, how many different threads on here do people have to make stupid accusations at me just cuz I get advanced copies. I REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE! Do I have to post that in every thread? And, yes, I read the ASM issues because they're free, just as I read the Ultimatum issues free. Doesn't mean I automatically like everything I'm reading. (especially with Ultimatum, which was like watching a car wreck)

NO WAY! YOU REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE!!! Holy poop on a stick! So, as I asked earlier in the thread, WHAT WEBSITE? JewishHobbit told me it was silverbullet.com. There is not a website anymore and it turned into the Comics Bulletin. And I know it can't be that site because I read a lot of the reviews on there, mainly the Spider-Man ones, and they got GOOD REVIEWS! So, which website do you do your reviews at so that I can ask the webmaster there if I can be a reviewer and get free comics.

 

[Tron Bonne]

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/124939200579951.htm

This is one of his reviews

 

[Arach Knight]

I feel sorry for you man, I really do.

Then it stands as a mutual sentiment.

Pouch gags aside, there is little similarity in the aesthetic that was presented, to that of Rob Liefeld. Feel free to offer semantic refutation but I was at least diligent enough to provide sources and empirical argumentation (the juxtaposition to Rob Scrhab's work).

There is no problem with my understanding of the "humor/joke" in question. I am merely arguing that it was an erroneous application. It is tantamount to misquoting a person's idiosyncratic statements in an attempt to mock them.

You either do so correctly and get a laugh or you look worse off for doing it poorly in the first place. Call me jaded if you will, but I feel it was a poorly done joke. Rob Liefeld certainly has earned the scorn of artists and enthusiasts alike. That doesn't justify terrible attempts at mocking him.

Take that as you will. I have allowed myself to become too concerned over the ire of another. If you desire a genuine conversation or debate on the matter, I shall respond. Otherwise, I shall leave you to your whim.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Guys, knock it off. Dont flame each other, it just isnt called for.

 

[random_havoc]

Yep, that's one of my reviews.

It is indeed comicsbulletin.com

I haven't reviewed any ASM issues there yet. There are a couple of other guys who do reviews there that like doing the ASM issues and have been with comicsbulletin longer than me so I haven't bothered requesting it yet.

Feel free to ask to be a reviewer there, though I should tell you that they don't add people to their list of advanced marvel reviewers very often for a number of reasons (people passed the password to their friends, etc), so you'd likely be reviewing the issues you're already picking up (non-Marvel ones and Marvel ones that aren't already covered by the advanced reviews).

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yep, that's one of my reviews.

It is indeed comicsbulletin.com

I haven't reviewed any ASM issues there yet. There are a couple of other guys who do reviews there that like doing the ASM issues and have been with comicsbulletin longer than me so I haven't bothered requesting it yet.

Feel free to ask to be a reviewer there, though I should tell you that they don't add people to their list of advanced marvel reviewers very often for a number of reasons, so you'd likely be reviewing the issues you pick up from you're already picking up (non-Marvel ones and Marvel ones that aren't covered in the advanced reviews).

I notice that you haven't. So, you don't review the issues but they send them to you anyway?

 

[random_havoc]

I notice that you haven't. So, you don't review the issues but they send them to you anyway?

The advanced marvel reviewers get a batch each week all at once. It's kind of a bonus since we're doing the reviews for fun, not for any kind of pay. So each wednesday I get an average of around 15-16 Marvel comics a week before they're released and I let my editor know which I'd like to review, but I get to read them all even though I usually end up only having time to review one a week or so.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I figured it was in a moderator forum so you could copy/paste pictures quickly, to be honest. XD

 

[Blader5489]

Then it stands as a mutual sentiment.

Pouch gags aside, there is little similarity in the aesthetic that was presented, to that of Rob Liefeld. Feel free to offer semantic refutation but I was at least diligent enough to provide sources and empirical argumentation (the juxtaposition to Rob Scrhab's work).

There is no problem with my understanding of the "humor/joke" in question. I am merely arguing that it was an erroneous application. It is tantamount to misquoting a person's idiosyncratic statements in an attempt to mock them.

You either do so correctly and get a laugh or you look worse off for doing it poorly in the first place. Call me jaded if you will, but I feel it was a poorly done joke. Rob Liefeld certainly has earned the scorn of artists and enthusiasts alike. That doesn't justify terrible attempts at mocking him.

Take that as you will. I have allowed myself to become too concerned over the ire of another. If you desire a genuine conversation or debate on the matter, I shall respond. Otherwise, I shall leave you to your whim.

You know who you sound like?

I think the cover makes it pretty obvious that they're spoofing Liefeld (the fact that the writer is Joe Kelly should make that even more obvious), so I don't know what you're getting so overworked about. It's a joke! Lighten up.

 

[DACMAN]

I get upset because people keep on making all kinds of presumptions about me, most often taking the evidence in the worst possible way. I mention having online copies and some guy on another thread harps on for four posts in a row about how I just steal comics online blah blah blah despite that not being the case at all.
And now I get accused of only not buying ASM because I get to read them for free, which is also NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

And now you went ahead and assumed I'm just an angry person which is also NOT THE CASE AT ALL. I just don't like people taking a little piece of information and then making assumptions about me, particularly when on these boards anyways people always seem to assume the worst.


As for the aforementioned summary, it is wrong in one key area, I don't just read them for something to complain about, I read them genuinely hoping to enjoy the odd issue despite the current status quo. There have been some parts I've enjoyed (for example, for the most part I enjoyed the "american son" issue where Pete got captured), but again, as many others have already said on here, it just doesn't feel right, it's just not spider-man.

And I think that is really what it all boils down to. It doesn't feel like Spider-Man anymore. It feels like a really long "What If" story.

 

[Arach Knight]

You know who you sound like?

I do have the habit of relying too heavily on the logical when it comes to discussion. I have yet to hear that it makes me mechanical in my speech...then again that would explain some of my own inner feelings. Your request to "lighten up" has been considered and accepted. I infer from your statements that you do not seek to impugn or to be an aggressor. More or less you mean well. "Nuff said."

 

[BrianWilly]

To be fair dude, you did just use "tantamount" in a sentence.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Actually the feet are kinda big for a liefield picture.

Correction... those feet are kinda THERE for a liefield picture. He should have drawn four random rocks right where their feet are.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

And I think that is really what it all boils down to. It doesn't feel like Spider-Man anymore. It feels like a really long "What If" story.

I think it feels more like Spider-Man than it has since the late 1980's.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Oh that's because the books is stuck in the 80's again. It's an understandable mistake.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Oh that's because the books is stuck in the 80's again. It's an understandable mistake.

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got it now.

 

[BlackLantern]

the unmasking was a firestorm...I didn't mind it because the way it was handled was inventive....Tony Stark going to DC and actually giving a cost analysis as to how many times the Earth has been saved by superheroes and everything

 

[Themanofbat]

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got in now.

You can't argue with some people CapS.... it's not "their" Spider-Man anymore; therefore, it must be a bad thing.

 

[JewishHobbit]

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got in now.

I actually liked Spider-Man previous to OMD just fine. Felt good and like a natural progression. Heck, his hero worshiping of Captain America for years made his accepting Cap's invite to the Avengers feel legit. His unmasking was differant but I thought it was handled well. Honestly, I've had no complaints about Spidey up until OMD/BND.

I thought his progression was done well up until OMD where they degressed him for the sake of the older fans who culdn't accept the progression.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I actually liked Spider-Man previous to OMD just fine. Felt good and like a natural progression. Heck, his hero worshiping of Captain America for years made his accepting Cap's invite to the Avengers feel legit. His unmasking was differant but I thought it was handled well. Honestly, I've had no complaints about Spidey up until OMD/BND.

I thought his progression was done well up until OMD where they degressed him for the sake of the older fans who culdn't accept the progression.

I'm not sure WHY omd was initiated...i mean,; I'M an older fan and i thought the un-masking and Avengers membership (although i would have preferred the Fantastic Four instead) was great stuff....

I agree with you about OMD. Hated it.

but i LOVE the current direction and general atmosphere of the book(s) under the present creative and editorial teams. And it looks like there's lots of cool stuff on the horizon.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm not sure WHY omd was initiated...i mean,; I'M an older fan and i thought the un-masking and Avengers membership (although i would have preferred the Fantastic Four instead) was great stuff....

I agree with you about OMD. Hated it.

but i LOVE the current direction and general atmosphere of the book(s) under the present creative and editorial teams. And it looks like there's lots of cool stuff on the horizon.

I've tried the current direction twice now and I just come out with a bad taste in my mouth. I just couldn't get into NWTD, and while American Son was entertaining, I felt like I've read it all before in the Spidey books. I understand that it's hard to be original in comics, but when you bring back Harry Osborn, you should at least have original stories in mind for him. As I said before, Harry having daddy issues, someone being pregnant with his child, and drug problems... is all just recapping old storylines. And even the baby turning out to not be his but Norman's was just a slight adjustment on Sins Past. And Menace is just another goblin (originally mysterious) and it's just like the old Hobgoblin storyline that concluded just prior to the marraige. It's another old recapped storyline. The only interesting thing I felt the story had was Harry becoming the American Son and going against Norman, but that was left after one issue, so that story was lost. I like progression in comics, not like people have to have kids and grow old, but just something to show that they're moving forward. And I get the feeling from BND that if I want to see progression I'll have to come back in 20 years and maybe they'll be where they left off prior to OMD. That's just stupid.

And again, without MJ there as Peter's wife to help him it just didn't feel right. They were such a natural marraige without a fathomable ending to where them not being married just isn't... acceptable for lack of better words. Then add in his and Harry's flirting with women, and my skimming of 601 and see him getting drunk (out of character) and sleeping with some woman... in my mind... it's like he's having an affair because he and MJ never actually divorced or separated or anything, it's a mind game. I could go on forever on the problems as to why this no longer feels like Spider-Man but I think the main 2 things are that he and MJ are still married to me and the above mentioend things don't work with that, and secondly, Spider-Man's the symbol of responsiblity in the Marvel Universe, and there's been a few things that he's done that's VERY irresponsible. Those both just kill it for me.


I'm rambling I think. Sorry about that.