The Avengers The Avengers Critics Reviews Thread

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I blame TIH entirely on Avi Arad, it was his idea to bring in Leterrier who really had no right directing the film, I mean look at the guys career it's made up of poorly made action films with very little substance. (Dany the Dog being the one exception)
 
I blame TIH entirely on Avi Arad, it was his idea to bring in Leterrier who really had no right directing the film, I mean look at the guys career it's made up of poorly made action films with very little substance. (Dany the Dog being the one exception)

Pretty much. Fact is Louis Letterier is a **** director. Danny the Dog was good, mainly because of Bob Hoskins.
 
Were they referenced as SHIELD in the film? No. It was strictly military. SHIELD is referenced in every MCU by NAME except for Incredible Hulk.

Go watch it again and look at all the computers they are tracking Banner on. Giant SHIELD logo's everywhere.
 
SHIELD was in TIH. How did you miss this? They were the ones tracking Banner and liaising with General Ross. Not to mention the experiment that made Banner into the Hulk was connected to the super soldier experiment that created Captain America.

If Avengers works, I'll invest in the Cinematic Universe and then I'll be able to see for myself. But, only after I've seen Avengers.

Even with that, SHIELD never technically showed up in the film. That was Ross' battalion, not SHIELD.
 
I'm holding my breath with unparalleled anticipation...

Avengers so far is critically acclaimed, and it'll go on to make near enough a billion dollars, if not crack the billion dollar mark. I don't think Marvel is worried about people who ***** and moan about things they don't really understand.
 
I must've been an idiot to think I could find a thread here I could actually enjoy without the same people injecting their ******** and making things up again. It's like talking to a ******ed brick wall.
 
TIH failed because people were uninterested in Hulk and Bruce Banner. You can go on about bad marketing, poor release date all you want. Fact is, if it was a good movie, it would have had good WOM. It didn't, and ended up making about 10 million more than Ang's despite inflation.

Even with word of mouth, when movies like Indy IV & IM are up to $200 Million when your movie is coming out, people are gonna continue to gravitate towards said two. Then when said two are out of the picture & you're up to $100 Million comes TDK. 'nuff said.

IM2 a SHIELD meet and greet? SHIELD didn't even turn up until about an hour and 20 minutes into the film. And a shady government agency having an interest in a person like Tony Stark, and an interest in strange phenomena like in Thor makes sense. If that was real life it would be the CIA or FBI. In the MCU, it's SHIELD.

Because of the SHIELD meet & greet, the second act went straight to the ninth circle of hell & both villains became nothing more than cardboard (that's what happens when you waste time developing SHIELD instead of Vanko & Hammer).

It is an example of great vision, of great ambition. Feige was the guy who saw an opportunity to make something bigger than just solo stories that have no connection to each other. Sometimes the execution was off sure.

So then Tom Rothman is responsible for the MCU. He placed a Wolverine cameo in the first Fantastic Four movie that was cut. Let's start praising Rothman for "the brilliance & majesty of the MCU." Oh God.

No, you don't. I've got info from insiders. The FACT is, the MCU wouldn't exist, Avengers wouldn't be happeing and Feige wouldn't be in the running to replace Rich Ross as head of Disney Entertainment if he was doing something wrong. ***** and moan all you want. You don't know the facts and your opinion is in a very small, and ultimately, unimportant minority.

FACT: Marvel Studios has not been able to make IRON MAN numbers since IRON MAN.

FACT: Marvel Studios has not been able to make a film as critically significant as IRON MAN since IRON MAN.

If you ask me, Feige's done anything but improve the franchise.

The idea that you think Avi Arad is less of a meddling suit than Feige is utterly laughable, and kinda sad. If you knew any inside info you'd know that Avi Arad is poison. He might have got funding for the first Iron Man, but Feige did all the rest for the other movies. He was the one who convinced Disney to plow all this money into the MCU. He was the one who convinced them that the MCU and Avengers was plausible, could make tons of money and not just a fanboys pipe dream.

Wrong again. Arad conceived the notion of the inter-connected films/universe. He offered Cap & Thor to Favreau first, but Favs wanted Iron Man. He next turned to Cassavettes for Cap but that fell through. The above deal(s) were made by Arad 3 years before Iron Man was released.
 
FACT: Marvel Studios has not been able to make IRON MAN numbers since IRON MAN.

FACT: Marvel Studios has not been able to make a film as critically significant as IRON MAN since IRON MAN.

If you ask me, Feige's done anything but improve the franchise.

This is why I don't see Avengers going way beyond Iron Man numbers at the box office. Although, with international taking off since Avatar, I could be wrong. But domestically, I don't see it making 100 million more than the first Iron Man film...
 
Basically when the Avengers comes out and is awesome I fully expect "teh haterz" to be crushed under the overwhelming love that follows.
And it'll be glorious.
 
Even with word of mouth, when movies like Indy IV & IM are up to $200 Million when your movie is coming out, people are gonna continue to gravitate towards said two. Then when said two are out of the picture & you're up to $100 Million comes TDK. 'nuff said.

It's hard to say. What is easy to say is that Hulk is more famous and popular as a character than IM.

Fact is, TIH just didn't impress people, which isn't surprising when you look at Letterier's filmography.


Because of the SHIELD meet & greet, the second act went straight to the ninth circle of hell & both villains became nothing more than cardboard (that's what happens when you waste time developing SHIELD instead of Vanko & Hammer).

Developing SHIELD? What? Hammer got plenty of development and was a great character. Vanko? Not so much. IM2 was a mess, SHIELD isn't the reason for it.


So then Tom Rothman is responsible for the MCU. He placed a Wolverine cameo in the first Fantastic Four movie that was cut. Let's start praising Rothman for "the brilliance & majesty of the MCU." Oh God.

If Rothman set up the villain in X-Men to be a villain in F4 where they both had to team up to stop it? Yea, maybe.

The way Asgardian mythology was linked in Cap and Thor was well done. The way Cap set up Steve's story in Avengers is apparently well done. The way Loki's fall from grace in Thor, making him a more violent and twisted villain in Avengers, is apparently well done.

These things are a little bit more complex than simple cameos. To deny this is just being a silly little blind hater.


FACT: Marvel Studios has not been able to make IRON MAN numbers since IRON MAN.

FACT: Marvel Studios has not been able to make a film as critically significant as IRON MAN since IRON MAN.

If you ask me, Feige's done anything but improve the franchise.

Why does the blame fall to Feige for those things? It's actually ridiculous how your AUTOMATICALLY attribute any short coming to Feige.

And IM2 made more than Iron Man. Who in ****s name would have thought a character like Thor would have a movie that made half a billion dollars?

Wrong again. Arad conceived the notion of the inter-connected films/universe. He offered Cap & Thor to Favreau first, but Favs wanted Iron Man. He next turned to Cassavettes for Cap but that fell through. The above deal(s) were made by Arad 3 years before Iron Man was released.

Incorrect. He didn't have any intention to make an interconnected universe to set up Avengers. He had the intention to do those solo movies sure, but it was mainly Feige who was like "Hey hold up, what if we have these movies connect to each other?"

There have been missteps and sacrifices along the way, but like with all experiments, they will be sacrifices and missteps. This is inevitable. If it all pays off with Avengers, which it will financially, and seems to be so far critically, you need to shut the **** up.
 
Interesting review but nothing earth shattering revealed in it. It's a regular review.


Well it's a Critic's review thread right? Does it have to be earth shattering mind blowing review?

Critic's Review thread, plain and simple. My first language isn't english and yet I understood the title.
 
This is why I don't see Avengers going way beyond Iron Man numbers at the box office. Although, with international taking off since Avatar, I could be wrong. But domestically, I don't see it making 100 million more than the first Iron Man film...

Don't be silly, Avengers will make 800 million minimum. Have you seen the tracking? Have you seen reports that say Avengers is more talked about in the UK than the finale to Harry ****ing Potter? It's more talked about than Harry Potter in the UK, do you realise what that means? It's going to be a phenomenon.
 
You realize references to the other MCU films are inevitable in this thread, right?

Yeah I know, but I did that to end off-topicness in this thread. I'm not trying to attack anyone but for **** sake do it in another thread.
 
Well it's a Critic's review thread right? Does it have to be earth shattering mind blowing review?

Critic's Review thread, plain and simple. My first language isn't english and yet I understood the title.

The guy's review didn't reveal anything that hadn't been said in the earlier reviews. It's just a regular review.

Frankly, critics have gotten lazy. I want analysis when it comes to film reviews. The production values, themes, etc., etc.
 
Don't be silly, Avengers will make 800 million minimum. Have you seen the tracking? Have you seen reports that say Avengers is more talked about in the UK than the finale to Harry ****ing Potter? It's more talked about than Harry Potter in the UK, do you realise what that means? It's going to be a phenomenon.

I'm talking domestically. Iron Man made 318 million domestically. Of course, internationally it'll be big because they're eating up 3D and spectacle over there. How else do you explain Transformers 3 making a billion dollars worldwide?

And sorry but Avengers will never take the place of how culturally important and how much of a phenomenon Potter was for the UK. Never, no matter how much money Avengers makes over there. It'll never be as important as Potter to them.

Still, does Avengers make 418 million domestically, with the competition? It'll be close.
 
It's hard to say. What is easy to say is that Hulk is more famous and popular as a character than IM.

Fact is, TIH just didn't impress people, which isn't surprising when you look at Letterier's filmography.

Nobody was watching TIH because half of them didn't even know it was out.

Developing SHIELD? What? Hammer got plenty of development and was a great character. Vanko? Not so much. IM2 was a mess, SHIELD isn't the reason for it.

SHIELD had no business being in the film. The time wasted on them could have been further progression for Vanko & Hammer.

If Rothman set up the villain in X-Men to be a villain in F4 where they both had to team up to stop it? Yea, maybe.

There was no villain in Iron Man linked to another MCU film. Same goes for TIH, Thor & Cap. Avengers is the first time one film's villain becomes another's.

The way Asgardian mythology was linked in Cap and Thor was well done. The way Cap set up Steve's story in Avengers is apparently well done. The way Loki's fall from grace in Thor, making him a more violent and twisted villain in Avengers, is apparently well done.

These things are a little bit more complex than simple cameos. To deny this is just being a silly little blind hater.

In other words, a FOX cameo cross-over is invalid. An MCU cameo-crossover is valid. Nonsense.

Why does the blame fall to Feige for those things? It's actually ridiculous how your AUTOMATICALLY attribute any short coming to Feige.

Its the most important shortcoming.

And IM2 made more than Iron Man.

It made $6 Million less Domestically than the first film after 2 years of inflation & IMAX ticket boosts.

Who in ****s name would have thought a character like Thor would have a movie that made half a billion dollars?

Any character if done right can appeal to many. Look at The Smurfs movie.

Incorrect. He didn't have any intention to make an interconnected universe to set up Avengers. He had the intention to do those solo movies sure, but it was mainly Feige who was like "Hey hold up, what if we have these movies connect to each other?"

Are you even reading what I've been writing?

Arad approached Favs and Cassavettes to make inter-connected pictures. The deal with Cassavettes fell through but through Valhalla they were able to find financing for TIH. The plan by Arad was always to inter-connect the universes/characters.

There have been missteps and sacrifices along the way, but like with all experiments, they will be sacrifices and missteps. This is inevitable. If it all pays off with Avengers, which it will financially, and seems to be so far critically, you need to shut the **** up.

Layman's Terms: 4 films worth of collateral damage for one film to work.

Yeah, Kevin Feige's a genius alright.
 
I'm talking domestically. Iron Man made 318 million domestically. Of course, internationally it'll be big because they're eating up 3D and spectacle over there. How else do you explain Transformers 3 making a billion dollars worldwide?

And sorry but Avengers will never take the place of how culturally important and how much of a phenomenon Potter was for the UK. Never, no matter how much money Avengers makes over there. It'll never be as important as Potter to them.

Still, does Avengers make 418 million domestically, with the competition? It'll be close.

I'm expecting $300 - $350 Domestically.

For TDKR I'm expecting $400 - $450, maybe even more.

I think ASM will under-perform.
 
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