The Batman General News & Discussion Thread

[spideyfan77]

Im so confused by that article:

1. Joker sequel?
2. Joker connected to the batman?
3. Everything besides this batman universe is connected to DCEU?
4. Is that new superman connected to DCEU?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

It’s saying that the only projects not connected to the current DCEU are The Batman and its HBO MAX spinoff, as well as Joker and its planned sequel (which we heard was rumored a while back)

both of those exist in their own universes with nothing to do with each other or the DCEU. At least that’s how I perceived it.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

This is the first I'm reading about a Joker sequel though.

Mirror reported 8 months ago that Joaquin Phoenix has been offered $50 million dollars to return as Joker for two films (maybe one of them is The Batman sequel?)

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Mirror reported 8 months ago that Joaquin Phoenix has been offered $50 million dollars to return as Joker for two films (maybe one of them is The Batman sequel?)

I say take the money, Joachin!!!

 

[Mani-Man]

Im so confused by that article:

1. Joker sequel?
2. Joker connected to the batman?
3. Everything besides this batman universe is connected to DCEU?
4. Is that new superman connected to DCEU?

1. Even before the movie came out, there were the usual Rumors about sequels.
But i had the impression that was just someone throwing a "what if" thought out and everyone jumped onto it.
My opinion is still the same as months ago, doing a sequel would be a mistake.
You told everything needed in the movie, imo continuing only takes the value away from the first movie.

2. Wouldnt like that at all.
I know The Batman is earth 2, but i still would like it to be not as grounded and realistic as the Joker movie was.

3. I think WB doesnt really know at the moment what they should or shouldnt connect.
I guess for that they rather wait how Flashpoint does.

4. That is one of the many questions i hope WB answers soonish, because its all so very confusing at the moment.

 

[Gandhi]

Im so confused by that article:

1. Joker sequel?
2. Joker connected to the batman?
3. Everything besides this batman universe is connected to DCEU?
4. Is that new superman connected to DCEU?

2. It did not mean Joker is connected to The Batman. It was listing them as separate continuities to the main DCEU.
3. Everything besides Reeves Bat-verse, the Joker continuity and as of now, this new Coates/Abrams Superman.
4. From the article: “The Superman film appears to be moving onto its own track and won’t be part of the universe, as of now.”

 

[emielaen]

Am I reading that right?? Joker and The Batman in the same darn universe???

I think it’s saying that those are the only properties in their own world. Not that they’re in the same world.

IF they go forward with one, would they just do an entirely different take and kinda go along with his whole multiple choice thing? I don’t really need another one. Tackling another character is more interesting. Get the pen out of a Phillips hand either way lol

 

[Boom]

First of all, I'm very wary of a Joker sequel. The first movie works perfectly as a standalone. I suppose a film set entirely in Arkham Asylum ala One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest could be kind of cool. Put Hugo Strange in a Nurse Ratched type role.

Second, I am very intrigued by this Superman project.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

‘Period piece’
‘Kal-El’

Now. Give it to me now.

 

[Matt.S99]

Wow, that video I posted really blew up haha

 

[CondimentKing]

I really hope the Joker sequel doesn't happen unless its tied into Reeves' movies. Unless it's an entirely different origin story (ie. the multiple choice idea of having him lie about different backgrounds) it would probably have a Batman in it, which is not a good idea when we have the Pattinson universe at the same time. It just seems like it'll confuse general audiences, especially if Pattinson gets his own Joker. Especially because The Batman also has a darker tone and a focus on corruption, like Joker. Just doesn't make sense to have two parallel and very similar worlds with the same characters imo

The only way I'd be interested is if it's entirely in the asylum like Cuckoo's Nest with other rogues there with him. That could be interesting, but if it starts to introduce more Batman-y elements like him meeting Bruce again then I just see it as shallow and greedy

 

[DeadlyWest]

I'd rather Joker 2 didn't get made but at the same time

It made a billion dollars.

On a $50 million budget.

They'd be morons to not do another one.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

First of all, I'm very wary of a Joker sequel. The first movie works perfectly as a standalone. I suppose a film set entirely in Arkham Asylum ala One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest could be kind of cool. Put Hugo Strange in a Nurse Ratched type role.

Second, I am very intrigued by this Superman project.

Totally. My biggest thing with a Joker sequel is that they might actually move further away from Batman mythology in a sequel and that might end with them playing up the elements of Joker that felt super wonky. Joker, contrary to what Phillips likes to say, is very comic book-y and prequely in its own right. Fleck in the McMurphy role (which is totally what they'd do) sounds interesting until you remember how Phillips talks about Fleck in interviews - a lot of the ambiguity might wind up being lost in favour of Phillips's very sympathetic perspective on him.

That all being said if they have a good story and get a strong screenwriter attached I'd be very excited. Philips aesthetic and Phoenix's performance paired with a better screenplay would be killer.

 

[Boom]

Totally. My biggest thing with a Joker sequel is that they might actually move further away from Batman mythology in a sequel and that might end with them playing up the elements of Joker that felt super wonky. Joker, contrary to what Phillips likes to say, is very comic book-y and prequely in its own right. Fleck in the McMurphy role (which is totally what they'd do) sounds interesting until you remember how Phillips talks about Fleck in interviews.

That all being said if they have a good story and get a strong screenwriter attached I'd be very excited. Philips aesthetic and Phoenix's performance paired with a better screenplay would be killer.

I do think some type of nod Cuckoo's Nest is the only way you can feasibly go with it. And you could include more realistic, stripped-down versions of other Batman rogues as asylum patients. Someone like Mad Hatter is a no-brainer, for instance.

Could be cool, but sight unseen it seems wholly unnecessary.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'm mixed on a Joker sequel myself but also intrigued

 

[CondimentKing]

Hopefully WB doesn't just give Phillips carte blanche to do whatever he wants because of the success. I'd be way more interested if it was announced he isn't writing. I think the ending scene of Joker where he's a little bit older in Arkham seems to suggest that Batman is running around when he thinks of the "joke." Considering how Joker feels like a prequel I just worry that the sequel would indulge too much in normal Batman-stuff.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Hopefully WB doesn't just give Phillips carte blanche to do whatever he wants because of the success. I'd be way more interested if it was announced he isn't writing. I think the ending scene of Joker where he's a little bit older in Arkham seems to suggest that Batman is running around when he thinks of the "joke."

The OG leaked script (with its times new roman font, Glasgow grin and weirdly frequent bad spelling) ended with a line that seemed to imply that as well - something about how Fleck was laughing about a joke "Between me and him".

I remember some debate over whether this meant Batman or not, but still.

 

[CondimentKing]

It's definitely about it imo. The fact that he's visibly older and iirc it even cuts to the Wayne murder again when he talks about it. I just don't have faith that Phillips would do it justice in a way that also doesn't step on Reeves' toes (unless he doesn't use Joker at all, which is possible but unlikely).

I'm still down for Joaquin to be Reeves' Joker. It's just so easy to do. Make the "Arthur" origin one of his multiple choice origins, making the ending scene in the asylum the only "canon" scene. You can play with any age and any aesthetic if the narrator (Joker) is unreliable. If they did that I'd be curious to see more Joker stories but otherwise I'm not very interested in the character at all. I think he's overused and boring 90% of the time and Phillips is just a mediocre writer imo. At least with Reeves I'd be more interested to see how he tackles the character.

 

[WatchProtect]

I didnt love The first Joker film, but I agree it works more as a standalone in my opinion.

I do actively hate the idea of it being connected to Reeves universe. The unreliable narrator thing only works so long imo and even if its "fake" the city looking completely different, Joker imagining a different Alfred, a different time period, and a different Thomas Wayne pushes the boundaries imo. If we're assuming the End in Arkham is the real world it would also mean he'd be another Joker with face paint, long hair, and dyed hair.

I like Joaquin but I also just want to see a different actor play him aswell.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Personally, I don't think we'll be seeing the Joker in this trilogy for a while, so it's at the back of my mind currently.

 

[CondimentKing]

I do actively hate the idea of it being connected to Reeves universe... I like Joaquin but I also just want to see a different actor play him aswell.

Fair and you raise good points. I just think when you have someone of Joaquin's calibre I'm more than happy to overlook any things that would be stretching it. I'd be equally interested in Gosling, Gyllenhaal, Riz Ahmed, etc. Also if Joaquin was used it would have to be what Reeves wants to do. I don't want WB forcing anything.

 

[Boom]

I love Joaquin Phoenix, and I love his performance as The Joker.

I have zero desire to see his Joker in Matt Reeves' universe. Absolute zero.

 

[Kane52630]

But yeah... the article never suggested they're in the same universe.

 

[CondimentKing]

I have no interest in seeing his Joker in The Batman either. I just meant that if Reeves did want to use Joaquin for his own Joker it would be easily explainable through being an unreliable narrator and would be something arguably worth it to include an actor of his calibre. I have zero interest in having the actual character Arthur Fleck as is in these movies.

And I know the article never suggested they're in the same universe, I'm just posing ideas that have probably been talked about and even if slim would be possible. There's no way it hasn't at the very least crossed WB & Reeves' minds considering the money on the table. I also agree I doubt we see Joker in these movies for awhile anyways (which is a good thing imo)

Edit: I would just prefer to not have multiple Jokers & Batmen running around at the same time. I'm sort of fine with Keaton because he's so different than Pattinson in age but otherwise I really dislike the multiverse idea, and I think it completely dilutes a) the brand and b) the special-ness of Batman movies (especially if they're all similar in tone). The fact a Joker sequel actually seems to be happening is not exciting to me because of that so I was proposing an alternative that would make it more interesting (to me)

 

[cryptic name]

This was a fun surprise this morning. Zoe was born to play Selina.

Also, hard pass on Arthur Fleck in Reeves Batman. Let Reeves conceive his Joker.