Apocalypse The big adventure of the X-Men has JUST begun.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Scale, the word you're lookin for is scale
I agree with you (except the boring part, i cant wait to watch Apocalypse again FOR the final battle)

Scale. Yes. Scale. HAHA. That's what I'm looking for in an X-Men movie. Magneto bringing a meteor to earth or reversing the poles and a team of dozens of X-Men attempting to save innocent lives that hang in the balance while trying to stop him and his brotherhood. Or Dark Phoenix and an army of telepathic slaves, or Shadow King and his minions or whatever.

Fliers flying, runners running, elementalists riding their respective elements (see Iceman in DoFP). Not only do these moments get really exciting (and stay exciting on subsequent viewings) they portray a serious sense of gravity/urgency. When the Heroes are sprinting just to barely keep up with the enemy, you know they are also afraid for the outcome. Nightcrawler was used well in this one to that effect.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Scale. Yes. Scale. HAHA. That's what I'm looking for in an X-Men movie. Magneto bringing a meteor to earth or reversing the poles and a team of dozens of X-Men attempting to save innocent lives that hang in the balance while trying to stop him and his brotherhood. Or Dark Phoenix and an army of telepathic slaves, or Shadow King and his minions or whatever.

Fliers flying, runners running, elementalists riding their respective elements (see Iceman in DoFP). Not only do these moments get really exciting (and stay exciting on subsequent viewings) they portray a serious sense of gravity/urgency. When the Heroes are sprinting just to barely keep up with the enemy, you know they are also afraid for the outcome. Nightcrawler was used well in this one to that effect.

yeah that would be magical
a combined team effort globally to stop a major villian
the budget for that would be ridiculous tho

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Yes, I suppose you're right. I mean. Avengers had 220mil 5 years ago, compared to Apocalypse's 180mil.

I agree, it's far fetched. But man, they're gonna have to step it up soon.

 

[thegameq]

What exactly is it that people hate about the MCU? I really don't get it? It's pretty much what every fan of comics has been asking for. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it pretty much hits all of the right notes so to speak. They done a better job of bringing comics to life than the X-franchise that's for sure.

Honestly, I find it stunning that anyone would be willing to keep accepting the version of the X-men we've been getting. Are you really happy with the way the characters and material has been treated? I mean....come on! How long are we supposed to wait for Storm to get a proper treatment on screen. Wait let me guess....the next movie....and if she's not done justice again, then maybe the next one after that....or maybe she doesn't really need it since she's not the focus anyway.....etc., etc.

So I'd really like to know what exactly is so "horrible" about the MCU?

Let's me ask: If Marvel did an X-men movie do you think it would be better than all of the films Fox has done? Be honest.......Do you think storm would be done better under Marvel? Again, be honest.


I've been on these boards for years and the common thing I have come to recognize is that there are people on these boards (fans?) that don't really want the X-men from the comics at all. For the love of me I really just can't understand it.

 

[fallenAngel]

What exactly is it that people hate about the MCU? I really don't get it? It's pretty much what every fan of comics has been asking for. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it pretty much hits all of the right notes so to speak. They done a better job of bringing comics to life than the X-franchise that's for sure.

Honestly, I find it stunning that anyone would be willing to keep accepting the version of the X-men we've been getting. Are you really happy with the way the characters and material has been treated? I mean....come on! How long are we supposed to wait for Storm to get a proper treatment on screen. Wait let me guess....the next movie....and if she's not done justice again, then maybe the next one after that....or maybe she doesn't really need it since she's not the focus anyway.....etc., etc.

So I'd really like to know what exactly is so "horrible" about the MCU?

Let's me ask: If Marvel did an X-men movie do you think it would be better than all of the films Fox has done? Be honest.......Do you think storm would be done better under Marvel? Again, be honest.


I've been on these boards for years and the common thing I have come to recognize is that there are people on these boards (fans?) that don't really want the X-men from the comics at all. For the love of me I really just can't understand it.

I like the MCU alot, but I'm not so sure Marvel would automatically do Storm "justice". Their Gamora was pretty weak and it took Black Widow a couple movies to be interesting.

They have yet to show they actually care about their female heroes. It's very slowly getting better, but so far they are merely acceptable as part of an ensemble, but I don't necessarily see them automatically doing everyone better.

I feel like their Magneto would actually be worse.

The Avengers weren't as popular before the movies, all their characters are a bit different than their comic counterparts and they succeed mostly because there isn't as much expectation.

The MCU is also incredibly plot driven, outside of Iron Man, no franchise caters too heavily to character development or theme.

They're fun, if not fully satisfying experiences. That being said, they obviously care about consistency and keeping the brand strong, which is a good thing.

I'd love to see their take on Beast. I think they'd nail that character.

 

[JEM]

It's hard to understand all X Men fans aren't the same. Movies are personal experience.
I mean my favorite X-men movie is X1 (i am minority) because it has some sincerity and dignity for me.

I love X2, FC and DOFP for the same reason. So yes, some fans don't like it, it's fine but some fans love. All people don't feel movie in the same ways.

 

[henzINNIT]

What exactly is it that people hate about the MCU? I really don't get it? It's pretty much what every fan of comics has been asking for. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it pretty much hits all of the right notes so to speak. They done a better job of bringing comics to life than the X-franchise that's for sure.

Honestly, I find it stunning that anyone would be willing to keep accepting the version of the X-men we've been getting. Are you really happy with the way the characters and material has been treated? I mean....come on! How long are we supposed to wait for Storm to get a proper treatment on screen. Wait let me guess....the next movie....and if she's not done justice again, then maybe the next one after that....or maybe she doesn't really need it since she's not the focus anyway.....etc., etc.

So I'd really like to know what exactly is so "horrible" about the MCU?

Let's me ask: If Marvel did an X-men movie do you think it would be better than all of the films Fox has done? Be honest.......Do you think storm would be done better under Marvel? Again, be honest.


I've been on these boards for years and the common thing I have come to recognize is that there are people on these boards (fans?) that don't really want the X-men from the comics at all. For the love of me I really just can't understand it.

Some people have terrible taste.

That said, I like the MCU and still want X-Men to be nothing like it. I like the tone set in the early films, more grounded and thematic. I would push forward, cut the budget, smaller scale, bigger ideas and more character drama.

 

[fallenAngel]

It's hard to understand all X Men fans aren't the same. Movies are personal experience.
I mean my favorite X-men movie is X1 (i am minority) because it has some sincerity and dignity for me.

I love X2, FC and DOFP for the same reason. So yes, some fans don't like it, it's fine but some fans love. All people don't feel movie in the same ways.

X-men is my second favorite. It's one of the better written ones. I like the intimacy of the drama too. It also covers a lot of ground in a very short (almost too short) of time.

 

[psylockolussus]

DOFP and X2 are my favorites!

 

[Mutant 77]

Summing up my continuity scenario.


The Original Timeline, which I call "Timeline Prime A" (Alpha):
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (1979)
X-Men (2004)
X2 (2004)
X-Men: The Last Stand (2005)

No "The Wolverine" or "DOFP" happening afterward. The "war" has been won. The X-Men has won.
Then, many years after the events of "The Last Stand", some crazy mutant comes back to the past. He travels to 1913 (or so) and alters the timeline in many ways. Some births "shift in time"; some people are born earlier (Moira, Angel), some people are born later (Wade).

"Timeline Prime B" (Beta) is thus born:
First Class (1962)
REVISED X-Men Origins (1981) - No Wade, no Frost, No Banshee, No Quicksilver.
REVISED X-Men (200?)
REVISED X2 (200?)
REVISED The Last Stand (200?) - No Angel.
The Wolverine (2013)
DOFP (2023)

Wolverine comes back to the past (1973) and thus create the third iteration of the timeline: "Timeline Sigma".
First Class (1962)
DOFP (1973)
Apocalypse (1983)
Deadpool (2016)
Positive future of DOFP (2023)
Wolverine 3 (202?)

For MORE, visit here:
http://x-continuity.blogspot.it/p/essential-timeline.html

 

[ironman29758]

It's "X-Men" (2000) all over again, with some big and pivotal TWEAKS:

1- The X-Men are younger. Much younger. They have a whole life ahead of them.
2- The X-Men have finally "embraced" their public figure side and are not an occasional, mysterious, black leather-clad strike team nobody knows of "anymore" (as in Timeline Prime A), but a full blown team of "superheroes" with costumes.
3- Cyclops will become the leader we all love.
4- Jean Grey is already Phoenix.
5- New enemies are around the corner.
6- I hope Wolvie is recast for future installments and thus Logan will join the X-Men "again" (as in Timeline Prime A) to complete the popular line-up.
7- Rogue could show up as well with her "Marvel" powers.

This is a new beginning for a more faithful adaptation. It's the right time to produce dozens of new X-Men movies.

Honestly with Rogue, it's more personality if anything. If she acts like the Rogue from Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men, it wouldn't matter if she had Ms.Marvel''s powers or not.

 

[thegameq]

So let me get this straight and correct me if I'm wrong; it seems some people are willing to accept all the flaws, terrible characterizations, etc. as long as it gives them something they personally like....? Really? I thought the whole point of these films was to bring the characters from the comics to life on the big screen as they are in the comics, complete with everything that makes them the X-men, not just 1/4 of the formula.

It feels like after all these years of people waiting and expecting Singer to finally give us the X-men and characters from the comics (especially in the wake of the MCU), the fans are finally starting to realize they aren't going to get the X-men they want from Singer.

I have to ask, what caused the sudden epiphany? If I had to guess, the catalyst was Civil War. Though some will no doubt downplay that movies influence and success, the achievement simply cannot be ignored. Like the larger MCU, Civil War has cast a huge shadow on other comic book movies whether some want to admit it or not.

How long can the X-franchise continue to hold on to it's awkward 90s conservative approach to comic book movies? It's been said over and over again on these boards and fallen on deaf ears. The X-franchise has come no where near tapping the full potential of the X-men. The X-men can be and should be every bit as exciting, dramatic and full of dynamic visual spectacle as the MCU.

So we find ourselves one again waiting to see if "the next film" will be the one the gives us the X-men we've been waiting for.

 

[GuestStar2004]

So we find ourselves one again waiting to see if "the next film" will be the one the gives us the X-men we've been waiting for.

technically we have been given things people have been waiting for, phoenix fire bird for example, magneto using the magneto magnetic field

each individual is gonna want different things and not everyone is gonna get what they want, and honestly i think what some of the fans want that wouldn't make everyone happy.

Its like cyclops being the leader thing, i am a cyclops fan but i really didn't care that he wasn't the leader in apocalypse because i don't think it will make the audience like him, i still see comments about how the character is a dick and being not interesting and making him the leader woudn't change that, no you make him interesting first and foremost and then we will talk about the leader stuff, although i thought they did a pretty decent job in apocalypse, it was nice to see him as the new student.

 

[DACrowe]

What exactly is it that people hate about the MCU? I really don't get it? It's pretty much what every fan of comics has been asking for. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it pretty much hits all of the right notes so to speak. They done a better job of bringing comics to life than the X-franchise that's for sure.

Honestly, I find it stunning that anyone would be willing to keep accepting the version of the X-men we've been getting. Are you really happy with the way the characters and material has been treated? I mean....come on! How long are we supposed to wait for Storm to get a proper treatment on screen. Wait let me guess....the next movie....and if she's not done justice again, then maybe the next one after that....or maybe she doesn't really need it since she's not the focus anyway.....etc., etc.

So I'd really like to know what exactly is so "horrible" about the MCU?

Let's me ask: If Marvel did an X-men movie do you think it would be better than all of the films Fox has done? Be honest.......Do you think storm would be done better under Marvel? Again, be honest.


I've been on these boards for years and the common thing I have come to recognize is that there are people on these boards (fans?) that don't really want the X-men from the comics at all. For the love of me I really just can't understand it.

I wish Fox would present the X-Men characters more faithfully, as they are in the comics. Actually, I think Apocalypse did present the core young X-Men (Cyclops, Jean, Storm, and Nightcrawler) very faithfully for the first time, however none of them had a lot of screen time and because of the movie's problems, sadly most fans do not recognize that.

With that said, I value good films over faithful films. And while in this year's particular case, Civil War > Apocalypse, in general I am not crazy about the Marvel Studios formula. Civil War is somewhat the exception. Most of them have all had the exact same plot or formula since The Avengers in 2012 (a get the band together with a sitcom aesthetic as we fight amongst ourselves before having the Scooby gang come together to stop a villain from destroying the world with a MacGuffin that ushers in a CGI doomsday falling from the sky).

The Marvel formula is also rather hellbent on advertising the next film, often at the expense of the current one (Iron Man 2, Captain America: The First Avenger, Avengers: Age of Ultron, and even Civil War is somewhat guilty of this but somehow the Russos miraculously pulled it off).

On that front, in terms of just good, self-contained storytelling with something to chew on after the credits roll, I still would take X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days of Future Past over the whole MCU. I also think X2 is better than half the MCU. Heck, I even think Apocalypse is still at least superior to Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 2, and Avengers: Age of Ultron (the bottom of the barrel of the MCU films).

So while I do think Marvel would give fans a much more comic book accurate film that would make a lot more money, I do not personally think it would be better than the best Fox X-Men movies. And I know for a fact that the level of thoughtfulness and depth of feeling found in the best scenes Singer has done would be jettisoned for a more jovial tone that would not be out of place on NBC on Thursday nights. Call it a hunch.

 

[DACrowe]

So let me get this straight and correct me if I'm wrong; it seems some people are willing to accept all the flaws, terrible characterizations, etc. as long as it gives them something they personally like....? Really? I thought the whole point of these films was to bring the characters from the comics to life on the big screen as they are in the comics, complete with everything that makes them the X-men, not just 1/4 of the formula.

It feels like after all these years of people waiting and expecting Singer to finally give us the X-men and characters from the comics (especially in the wake of the MCU), the fans are finally starting to realize they aren't going to get the X-men they want from Singer.

I have to ask, what caused the sudden epiphany? If I had to guess, the catalyst was Civil War. Though some will no doubt downplay that movies influence and success, the achievement simply cannot be ignored. Like the larger MCU, Civil War has cast a huge shadow on other comic book movies whether some want to admit it or not.

How long can the X-franchise continue to hold on to it's awkward 90s conservative approach to comic book movies? It's been said over and over again on these boards and fallen on deaf ears. The X-franchise has come no where near tapping the full potential of the X-men. The X-men can be and should be every bit as exciting, dramatic and full of dynamic visual spectacle as the MCU.

So we find ourselves one again waiting to see if "the next film" will be the one the gives us the X-men we've been waiting for.

And to continue what I was already saying, films should not just be about "bringing the comics to life" but also making the comic books work in a unique and visceral way in cinematic language. You write "dramatic," but the MCU hardly goes for drama; they have to keep things on an even keel and not let one movie excel more than another in that department.

Singer is very good at mining the themes and subtext of the X-Men comics and presenting them in visceral and moving ways. I do think he is past his prime in the franchise and should step away now so that a more dynamic visualist can take a shot at it (like Matthew Vaughn did). Still, his willingness to explore the Holocaust roots of Magneto, of diving into the parallel of young LGBT people coming out of the closet, which in 2003 was very hot button (in 2004, Bush ran a successful presidential campaign on banning same sex marriage).

That is using the comics in a unique way onscreen. A better example, however, is what Nolan did with Batman. His Batman has no Robin and retires, and the Joker has no permanently dyed skin or smilex gas. However, Nolan captured the essence of the characters and put them on the screen in a visceral unique way that took advantage of cinema's vocabulary, and taking influences from the likes of Michael Mann's Heat or David Lean's Doctor Zhivago in The Dark Knight Rises' case.

And those movies were far richer experiences than what Marvel Studios produces because he was looking beyond just transferring visuals to the screen, but getting to the core of the Batman mythology and reconfiguring it for the movies.

 

[iacobusleo]

And to continue what I was already saying, films should not just be about "bringing the comics to life" but also making the comic books work in a unique and visceral way in cinematic language. You write "dramatic," but the MCU hardly goes for drama; they have to keep things on an even keel and not let one movie excel more than another in that department.

This completely.

For me personally, MCU consistently makes good comic book movies (unfortunately about characters I really don't care about, so they are leaving me cold). Fox is very inconsistent, but at its best makes good MOVIES.