The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[TMP98]

The only silver lining to superman bombing would be that it kills this lol

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

What public? The Batman was well-received.

Critically? Yeah.... Sure.

But all I see on social media is general audiences ripping it and Pattinson to pieces.

 

[emielaen]

Critically? Yeah.... Sure.

But all I see on social media is general audiences ripping it and Pattinson to pieces.

And what about the general audiences who seem to like it and Pattinson lol its not like only critics like it

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

And what about the general audiences who seem to like it and Pattinson lol its not like only critics like it

Those seem rare tbh. I genuinely feel like people lack the attention span etc. To appreciate what Reeves set out to do

 

[Venom 1988]

Those seem rare tbh. I genuinely feel like people lack the attention span etc. To appreciate what Reeves set out to do

Dunno where you're looking but most people I've seen talk about it praise the movie. It seems to have resonated with general audiences moreso than most comic movies in the last few years.

 

[Invader Joker]

Critically? Yeah.... Sure.

But all I see on social media is general audiences ripping it and Pattinson to pieces.

Your social media experience is anecdotal and meaningless. The film did really well at the box office, on streaming and by all audience metrics was a success.

 

[samsnee]

Finally saw The Flash. If Andy’s direction during Batman’s action scenes are any indication of how he will handle Brave and the Bold, we are in trouble.

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

Dunno where you're looking but most people I've seen talk about it praise the movie. It seems to have resonated with general audiences moreso than most comic movies in the last few years.

Idk where YOU'RE looking then lol. But I digress.

Your social media experience is anecdotal and meaningless. The film did really well at the box office, on streaming and by all audience metrics was a success.

Anecdotal? Yeah, so be it. I guess I do trust my own eyes and ears a bit more than the online ratings of what's likely to be half regular people and half bot accounts. The multiple times I saw it in theaters there weren't nearly as many people as there should've been. My one friend fell asleep midway on it when I had him watching it with me. Another friend told me he turned it off 10 minutes in. Every other comment I see from regular people on social media goes on about how Pattinson "ruined" the character or how "boring" the film was. Now I've met one person irl who did quite enjoy it, but that's one person. It should've done Joker numbers at the box office if you wanna call it "really well", which brings me back to my original point ; doing a Joker 2 is bad enough. This film will be yet another distraction that general audiences will have no clue on what to follow, or which to even care for. Even in Marvel people are starting to care less and less for the "multiverse". It's different in comics, but most people, well, don't read comics. This movie is unnecessary and will disrupt what Reeves is trying to do, and audiences just need one Batman film series to be invested in and stick with, if they even still are after the first film or will be with the Penguin show. I hate to be negative because I love the hell out of the Reevesverse, and Pattinson is my definitive Batman hands down, but I'm just calling it how I see it.

Finally saw The Flash. If Andy’s direction during Batman’s action scenes are any indication of how he will handle Brave and the Bold, we are in trouble.

yeah... Which is why they just shouldn't fricken do this lol

 

[Invader Joker]

Idk where YOU'RE looking then lol. But I digress.


Anecdotal? Yeah, so be it. I guess I do trust my own eyes and ears a bit more than the online ratings of what's likely to be half regular people and half bot accounts. The multiple times I saw it in theaters there weren't nearly as many people as there should've been. My one friend fell asleep midway on it when I had him watching it with me. Another friend told me he turned it off 10 minutes in. Every other comment I see from regular people on social media goes on about how Pattinson "ruined" the character or how "boring" the film was. Now I've met one person irl who did quite enjoy it, but that's one person. It should've done Joker numbers at the box office if you wanna call it "really well", which brings me back to my original point ; doing a Joker 2 is bad enough. This film will be yet another distraction that general audiences will have no clue on what to follow, or which to even care for. Even in Marvel people are starting to care less and less for the "multiverse". It's different in comics, but most people, well, don't read comics. This movie is unnecessary and will disrupt what Reeves is trying to do, and audiences just need one Batman film series to be invested in and stick with, if they even still are after the first film or will be with the Penguin show. I hate to be negative because I love the hell out of the Reevesverse, and Pattinson is my definitive Batman hands down, but I'm just calling it how I see it.

yeah... Which is why they just shouldn't fricken do this lol

Your experiences are genuinely and I mean genuinely meaningless. You can easily find 30 other people that'd have anecdotes different than you. In fact, I can tell you that myself lmfao it's mega worthless. "But my friends disliked the movie" is and will always be the most pointless way to gauge audience interest. For years social media was screaming about how no one cared about Avatar and behold the second movie made 2 billion dollars. See how stupid is to take that stuff seriously?

If the film was disliked by people, it'd ha e crashed at the box office after opening weekend. It didn't and instead had pretty good legs. That's just a fact. It's also a fact that the Cinemascore was an A- which is great for a 3 hour noir movie and is about the best metric for determining GA interest. And if it was disliked by people it also wouldn't have become HBO MAX's most watched film either.

So respectfully, no one here cares about your friends opinions or that of your twitter feed.

 

[Invader Joker]

Also in regards to the "If the general audience liked it the film would've made as much as Joker", well. It did. Domestically. In fact, it made even more than Joker domestically.



The international market is where it didn't do as well as Joker did but here's the thing: I'm not sure even "Joker" would've done "Joker" numbers in March 2022 on international markets.

You gotta remember we were just coming out of the pandemic. And while the US was already largely vaccinated at some point, same can't be said about the international markets. There were plenty of pretty large markets where that wasn't the case. Not to mention, that the mood in March 2022 after two whole years of a pandemic was much much different than the mood in October 2019. It is not a stretch to think that maybe at the time people in international markets people just didn't want to go watch a 3 hour dark and gritty film, especially since the thing that pulled those international markets back to theaters was Spider-Man No Way Home which was a crowdpleaser all the way. It's very likely a lot of people internationally just preferred to wait for streaming back then.

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

Either way the overall point I'm trying to make is, why make Brave and the Bold?

If audiences had no interest in Reevesverse, they won't have interest in B&TB

If audiences had huge interest in Reevesverse... They won't have interest in B&TB lol


So why do it? Why can't some people get out of this Gunn worship delusion for a second?

 

[Invader Joker]

Either way the overall point I'm trying to make is, why make Brave and the Bold?

If audiences had no interest in Reevesverse, they won't have interest in B&TB

If audiences had huge interest in Reevesverse... They won't have interest in B&TB lol


So why do it? Why can't some people get out of this Gunn worship delusion for a second?

Because nothing in DC makes any money right now that isn't Batman and they need a Batman for the DCU.

 

[Filmfreak]

Batman was heavily featured in The Flash (two of them in fact) and the film is one of the biggest box office bombs in Hollywood history. What they need is good movies.

 

[Invader Joker]

Batman was heavily featured in The Flash (two of them in fact) and the film is one of the biggest box office bombs in Hollywood history. What they need is good movies.

They do need good movies but a Batman-centric good movie is more guaranteed to be a financial success than a non-Batman centric one. People don't want to see Batman in **** films though.

 

[emielaen]

If audiences had huge interest in Reevesverse... They won't have interest in B&TB lol

Says who tho lol

 

[Invader Joker]

Gunn has/had some thoughts on Burton's Batman.

 

[Boom]

Well that is certainly a take.

Though B&R is lowkey a super fun time.

 

[BobJM]

Ooh boy I hate those opinions lol

 

[C Prometheus]

Well that is certainly a take.

Though B&R is lowkey a super fun time.

Maybe if you're watching it at a party with other people. I rewatched it one night ahead of The Batman hitting theaters, eager to enjoy the silliness and stupidity... and wound up just having a migraine. For me, the contrast between the genuinely fantastic moments between Bruce and Alfred and literally everything else in the film just was too strong a whiplash to enjoy myself, unfortunately.

That said, Batman Forever is absolutely a blast!

 

[emielaen]

That's some funny **** tho

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Well that is certainly a take.

Though B&R is lowkey a super fun time.

I can see this opinion. Batman and Robin is by no means a good film...but I can at least have a good time laughing at how bad it is with a lot of the laughable dialogue. Batman's line of "These heaters will thaw them" always makes me laugh like...what do you expect heaters to do?!

Batman and Robin is bad, but it's not boring in a way that Thor: The Dark World is and doesn't feel like a hodgepodge of tones like Justice League 2017. It's a comedy. A comedy that crippled Batman on film for quite some time, but it's a fun film to riff on when watching. Batman Forever at least attempts to tell a somewhat serious story at times and at least gets some good mileage out of some of the actors. Not to mention Nicole Kidman as eye candy.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I can see this opinion. Batman and Robin is by no means a good film...but I can at least have a good time laughing at how bad it is with a lot of the laughable dialogue. Batman's line of "These heaters will thaw them" always makes me laugh like...what do you expect heaters to do?!

Batman and Robin is bad, but it's not boring in a way that Thor: The Dark World is and doesn't feel like a hodgepodge of tones like Justice League 2017. It's a comedy. A comedy that crippled Batman on film for quite some time, but it's a fun film to riff on when watching. Batman Forever at least attempts to tell a somewhat serious story at times and at least gets some good mileage out of some of the actors. Not to mention Nicole Kidman as eye candy.

I'd argue it isn't bad at all because it is a comedy. A very funny comedy. As far as I am concerned it is a movie that totally succeeds in its goals which I can't necessarily say about any of the other 90s films except perhaps Returns.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

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Gunn has/had some thoughts on Burton's Batman.

How does someone so seemingly invested in the character hire Andres Muschietti—after having seen The Flash—to helm the next Batman film?

 

[Invader Joker]

How does someone so seemingly invested in the character hire Andres Muschietti—after having seen The Flash—to helm the next Batman film?

This further solidifies my theory he knew The Flash was a stinker all along and he'd have to fire Muschietti lol If he was that harsh a critic on the Burton and Nolan films no ****ing way he really thought anything good about a movie as incompetent as The Flash.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

This further solidifies my theory he knew The Flash was a stinker all along and he'd have to fire Muschietti lol If he was that harsh a critic on the Burton and Nolan films no ****ing way he really thought anything good about a movie as incompetent as The Flash.

Yeah, that was just PR talk. Had he expressed his true feelings about the film, it would have no doubt been to the detriment of his newly appointed position. Honestly, I don't see why they didn't just hold off on announcing AM's involvement in the first place. Everything doesn't have to be a rush. lol