The Brightest Day!

[Mystirious]

What happens if it rains?

 

[trustyside-kick]

Okay, the whole "to keep him from discovering who his parents are" thing makes me hope that his parents are from some distant tribe somewhere in Atlantean waters. I'm hoping that is the case.

And I think the strange occur when he is like fully submerged in water, corp. Or maybe it's a stronger reaction with salt water? Dunno. But the idea that he was probably brought to New Mexico because of how dry it is really makes me have high hopes for him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, whoever his parents are, they can't be good. Otherwise, their finding him would not be a problem. So now I'm really wondering if Black Manta might turn out to be his father after all...

 

[Drz]

Well apparently water effects him... Maybe he transforms into a FISH MAN!!!!!

 

[NightBeetle]

Well, whoever his parents are, they can't be good. Otherwise, their finding him would not be a problem. So now I'm really wondering if Black Manta might turn out to be his father and his mother would be Mera.

 

[Drz]

Ted Kord should be a Star Sapphire sicko instead of Blue Lantern.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well apparently water effects him... Maybe he transforms into a FISH MAN!!!!!

Or maybe he'll transform into... a car!

 

[NightBeetle]

Ted Kord should be a Star Sapphire sicko instead of Blue Lantern.

 

[fifthfiend]

Give me money.

*****, like you don't owe me for "virginity fetishism"

 

[Mystirious]

Or maybe he'll transform into... a car!

That would be so cool

 

[fifthfiend]

But it's not soft racism at all. It's replacing characters who in the end are discardable with the original more iconic, irreplaceable, versions. There is no racism going on.

It would be racism if Ryan Choi was killed off because he was Asian. No he was killed off for poorly written shock value and because we now have Ray Palmer back.

It would be racism if they got rid of Cassandra Cain because she was Asian. No, she was replaced because of piss poor editorial mandates tainted the character so they replaced her with the most logical choice, someone who essentially is her best friend.

It's only ever racism if the people doing it sign a publicly notarized document saying "I am doing this racist thing, racistly, for racist reasons, because I am a racist."

Also they have to cackle. It's totally not racist unless you cackle.

 

[fifthfiend]

My country club isn't RACIST, we're just going back to the ICONIC, IRREPLACABLE country club atmosphere (by kicking out all the black people)

 

[fifthfiend]

We're not a RACIST movie theater, we're just providing the AUTHENTICALLY ICONIC good-ol-days moviegoing experience (by putting up No Negroes signs)

...Okay I am clearly laying it on a little thick and by "thick" I mean this thickly piled heap of tripleposting but basically what I am saying is that anyone can excuse practically any racist act by appealing to motives which are utterly unknowable short of telepathy.

Pretty much my rule is, if the only way someone can explain why a repeating pattern of exclusion of ___________ race isn't racist is via claims which are fundamentally impossible to prove, then nah, it's just racist.

 

[Mystirious]

My country club isn't RACIST, we're just going back to the ICONIC, IRREPLACABLE country club atmosphere (by kicking out all the black people)

"Do you remember a time when chocolate chip cookies came fresh from the oven? Petridge Farm remembers. Do you remember a time when women couldn't vote and certain folk weren't allowed on golf courses? Petridge Farm remembers"

 

[Mystirious]

I can understand the business rationale of bringing in their iconic characters to try and foster some sense of nostalgia. On the other hand, let us not forget that DC's business practices over the past years has led to them being barely able to hang on to new or old readers, consistently edged out by Marvel, and the both of them having to rely on events and movies to sell their books...and that's not even bringing manga into the conversation. That business? If you ask me, I don't think DC should be too attached to whatever they're doing to their characters in order to run that business.

And sorry, but I don't buy this mentality that the original versions of characters will always come back with no exceptions, as if it were just an unstoppable occurrence of nature and that some dudes didn't sit around in an office and deliberately make the choice to have it happen...and even in that case, there's nothing preventing old and new characters from coexisting anyway, other than some misguided sense of proprietorship from the writers and readers. The fact that minority characters have been marginalized at DC was not some inevitable, unpreventable course of action. It was the result of series of deliberate decisions made one after another over the course of years; certainly not the intended result, but the result either way.

Agreed

DC is losing out to Marvel because Marvel has a modern approach and feature diverse and interesting characters

DC has only three major gay characters two prominent black characters and only two major latino characters

 

[Hush]

Race and Gay and stuff like that doesnt matter to me in comics i just want good stories.

 

[Brown Lantern]

Man, Brightest Day had better pick up or I am dropping it. Issue #4 was another set-up issue. I am also getting tired of the small amount of attention on each character. The reason it worked in 52 was because it was paced very well and the stories were actually intersting. I find myself caring less and less about why the ressurected were brought back. Just give me Aquaman and Martian Manhuter. I could careless about Hawk and Dove.

 

[Mystirious]

Race and Gay and stuff like that doesnt matter to me in comics i just want good stories.

It matters to me

If a comic story does not feature a diverse cast I do not consider it good

 

[Kurosawa]

lol I agree completely. With the Hawks you have to have both on the team, it would be like buying a Twix candy bar and just get 1 candy with the Carmel cookie crunch. They are a devastating 2 pack and are the prime couples that show that love can conquer all, in an awesome/corny way. I thought the comics Kendra twist was interesting, but now I'm thrilled to see her as Shiera and getting face time on Brightest Day.

Nothing against John Stewart, but it seemed too much like DC Animated U was making an effort to change things up for the sake of it, like the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Hawkman was written terribly in the animated series, making him Hawkgirl's stalker,he absorbed all the memories, and how they tied in Shadow Theif... really bad work. Some of the Justice league Unlimited episodes make my blood boil, especially the Flash episode with his rogues. I know they were goofy then, but they are a serious now and when the episode aired. And don't forget they planted the seeds from batman Beyond with Warhawk, the son of John Stewart and Shiera Hall... That was another bad twist to the animated Hawks continuity.

Yeah, it was complete fail all the way around. Glad they used Hawkman correctly (more or less) on Smallville and I expect any further versions to be more authentic. As a huge Superman and Hawkman fan I hated JLU.

Huh. Seems like an okay origin, I guess. Kind of absurd to try and keep a kid away from all water, though. Does that mean he's never taken a shower in his life?

Maybe Elphaba is his real mother?

 

[Charlie Boy]

I don't care for the Hawks so I could have cared less of how they were portrayed on JLU...I do hate what the DCU did to the Batfamily though, so I can imagine how you guys feel.

Sucks to hear Brightest Day #4 was another slow issue...I won't be rushing to the comic shop this week it seems.

 

[Mystirious]

Maybe Elphaba is his real mother?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Elphaba is his real mother?

I don't know who that is.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Agreed

DC is losing out to Marvel because Marvel has a modern approach and feature diverse and interesting characters

DC has only three major gay characters two prominent black characters and only two major latino characters

No, Marvel is beating DC in market and dollar share for only three reasons:

1. Marvel offers more titles than DC.

2. Marvel has more $3.99 titles than DC.

3. Marvel has monthly variant cover themes for almost all of their covers. 70th Anniversary, Iron Man by Design, Deadpool, the Heroic Age, etc.

It has nothing to do with Marvel's approach and diversity.

And BTW all of the characters that Marvel are promoting heavily (Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, Deadpool, Wolverine)....are white . The big difference is that some of their iconic characters the X-Men and Black Panther, are traditionally minorities, mutants and a black person.

 

[Mystirious]

I don't know who that is.

The Wicked Witch of the West

She was given that name in Gregory Maguire's "Wicked"

 

[hippie_hunter]

If you tell the average writer to write what comes naturally you get boring caucasian heterosexuals like Barry Allen and Hal Jordan

Barry Allen and Hal Jordan are not boring though. The Flash is off to a great start and Green Lantern is freaking awesome.

That said, didn't you also say that you find Superman to be boring?