The camp has been erased for a reason.

[ScarecrowMan666]

I can't believe that idiot said 8 year olds were selfish. As if they had any say on the matter. I really hope he was joking....freakin fanboys.

 

[BubbaGump]

I can't believe that idiot said 8 year olds were selfish. As if they had any say on the matter. I really hope he was joking....freakin fanboys.

It's funny. Some of the people in this thread are whinier than 8 year olds.

"I want the show to be DARK. Make it for ME. FOR ME."

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

Yeah that sounds about right, but hey, people have to have something to complain about or otherwise they would just explode right? I mean as great as The Dark Knight was, it still had critics, because you can't please everyone. There's always some overly picky assclown out there.

 

[BubbaGump]

Yeah that sounds about right, but hey, people have to have something to complain about or otherwise they would just explode right? I mean as great as The Dark Knight was, it still had critics, because you can't please everyone. There's always some overly picky assclown out there.

But in the end, those people have jobs doing Batman and the picky critics are well...just that.

 

[Grommers]

The only idiots are the people justifying this show, who have contradicted themselves over and over again...first you said its because it sells "toys"...yeah so does the dark knight...then you brought up its to introduce a new generation of batfans ... pretty sure B:TAS did the same, as my nephew who is 3 runs in the house everynight from daycare and asks to watch Batman with me, and if the joker is in each and every episode.

As well, to the people who said there's batman outside of frank miller and tim burton, etc. I don't think anyone was arguing that, and I'm very unsure half the people on this board are unsure of the point that we're arguing...its to get rid of CAMPY. The show can STILL have light tones, there is a big difference...and in fact there's only one post (the original) saying batman has to be dark, the way I read that wasn't that this has to be a dark show..but batman has to have this dark feeling towards him...something this show doesn't offer.

 

[Jochimus]

The only idiots are the people justifying this show, who have contradicted themselves over and over again...first you said its because it sells "toys"...yeah so does the dark knight...

And WB and Mattel probably would have sold even more if the movie had been more kid-friendly, and they know it. In fact, in the last couple years, MOST of the Batstuff I've seen kids carrying around is from "The Batman" and "B:TAS". In other words, the CARTOONS, not the movies.

then you brought up its to introduce a new generation of batfans ... pretty sure B:TAS did the same

So did "Super Friends". And Adam West before that.

As well, to the people who said there's batman outside of frank miller and tim burton, etc. I don't think anyone was arguing that, and I'm very unsure half the people on this board are unsure of the point that we're arguing...its to get rid of CAMPY.

As I explained before, Schumacher and Goldsman killed the camp off permanently. This show is NOT going to bring it back, contrary to your fears.

 

[spiderfan970]

A lot of the show is stylistic choices made by the creators. It's not like WB kept telling them to "dumb it down more." This is the show that the creators wanted to make and it just so happens that WB liked it.

I don't get why people get so pissed off about this, it's ONE out of HUNDREDS of different interpretations of an icon. If you don't like The Brave and the Bold go and watch the 100 episodes of Batman the Animated Series instead of complaining about TWO cartoons that just came out making Batman "too kiddy."

Honestly, I'm ready for some kind of lighter Batman. He's dark in the comics, he's dark in the movies, let the kid's cartoon show be silly. Why? Well, because it's a kid's cartoon show. Besides, the silly you guys are afraid of is the kin where the property makes fun of himself ala Adam West. I can ASSURE you that they will not do that, if you actually watch this show you will see how on character Batman is. He's still a darker personality, and is also very intelligent.

I love the silver age, and I really like where this show is headed. Besides, how can you not love the art and design in it? It's fantastic!

 

[Jochimus]

I love the silver age, and I really like where this show is headed. Besides, how can you not love the art and design in it? It's fantastic!

Yup, that's what it is, the Silver Age. Of course, in regards to that, I love these complaints about how Green Arrow isn't bearded and is wearing red on the new show...and yet when "New Frontier" put him in the same outfit THAT was perfectly acceptable...

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

As well, to the people who said there's batman outside of frank miller and tim burton, etc. I don't think anyone was arguing that, and I'm very unsure half the people on this board are unsure of the point that we're arguing...its to get rid of CAMPY. The show can STILL have light tones, there is a big difference...and in fact there's only one post (the original) saying batman has to be dark, the way I read that wasn't that this has to be a dark show..but batman has to have this dark feeling towards him...something this show doesn't offer.

Do you even know what camp is? Adam West is camp, because the show parodied the source material and showed us how ridiculous it truly was in real life, one of the greater parodies in my opinion. And it was great. This is NOT camp. This is a humurous show straight from the Silver Age showing Batman's classic adventures with good humour just as the tales did in the comics. And they were good comics, because not even these days does every issue have a scene where Batman screams "MR PARENTS ARE DEAD!", some are also very fun and lighthearted.

They have Batman's techno affinity, they have his seriousness, they have his dry sense of humour, and they have some classic heroes for him to banter with. What else do you people want?

 

[Hush]

The only idiots are the people justifying this show, who have contradicted themselves over and over again...first you said its because it sells "toys"...yeah so does the dark knight...then you brought up its to introduce a new generation of batfans ... pretty sure B:TAS did the same, as my nephew who is 3 runs in the house everynight from daycare and asks to watch Batman with me, and if the joker is in each and every episode.

As well, to the people who said there's batman outside of frank miller and tim burton, etc. I don't think anyone was arguing that, and I'm very unsure half the people on this board are unsure of the point that we're arguing...its to get rid of CAMPY. The show can STILL have light tones, there is a big difference...and in fact there's only one post (the original) saying batman has to be dark, the way I read that wasn't that this has to be a dark show..but batman has to have this dark feeling towards him...something this show doesn't offer.

You need to get off your ****ing high horse man, its a show for little kids! Not you! If you want "dark" Batman go put your dvd's in of B:TAS and Batman Begins. There WILL be other Batman Cartoons this is just the one right now. This show does not make fun of the actuallity of Batman, rather it delves into what makes Batman the hero he is. This is Super-Hero Batman, not winged vigilante Batman.

As for Batman NEEDING to have darkness to him, your ****ing crazy! He does not NEED to have this feeling, you just prefer that. If Batman needed that dark feeling her wouldnt be nearly as marketable as he was in the past. TAS is a great version of Batman but he most certainly is not broading all the time and actually jokes quite a bit. This Batman jokes a bit more but overall he has the same backstory and same character he is just put in different situations. It is established that in his life Batman went through this phase in his life, thats why Robin came about. This is exploring ONE aspect of the character, and it isnt intended for you or me, but i still enjoy it because im not close minded.

 

[Evil Twin]

I'm reminded of a quote by C.S. Lewis.

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. "

 

[spiderfan970]

Yup, that's what it is, the Silver Age. Of course, in regards to that, I love these complaints about how Green Arrow isn't bearded and is wearing red on the new show...and yet when "New Frontier" put him in the same outfit THAT was perfectly acceptable...

I love the way Green Arrow looks in this show, I think all the character design is so great.

 

[C. W. Saturn]

I'm reminded of a quote by C.S. Lewis.

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. "

My words. My Words.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

You need to get off your ****ing high horse man, its a show for little kids! Not you! If you want "dark" Batman go put your dvd's in of B:TAS and Batman Begins. There WILL be other Batman Cartoons this is just the one right now. This show does not make fun of the actuallity of Batman, rather it delves into what makes Batman the hero he is. This is Super-Hero Batman, not winged vigilante Batman.

As for Batman NEEDING to have darkness to him, your ****ing crazy! He does not NEED to have this feeling, you just prefer that. If Batman needed that dark feeling her wouldnt be nearly as marketable as he was in the past. TAS is a great version of Batman but he most certainly is not broading all the time and actually jokes quite a bit. This Batman jokes a bit more but overall he has the same backstory and same character he is just put in different situations. It is established that in his life Batman went through this phase in his life, thats why Robin came about. This is exploring ONE aspect of the character, and it isnt intended for you or me, but i still enjoy it because im not close minded.

Exactly! That's what I've been trying to say.

 

[CFE]

Since I don't want to re-write it:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=308646

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[Syncos]

*sighs*
I swear the selfishness of some fans is too outrageous to even seem real sometimes. Do you understand that young children deserve a chance at becoming fans too?

I'm really sick of this "point".

When I was a child, Batman TAS served as a perfect jumping on point for me to "become a fan". I haven't watched Brave and the Bold yet and i'm not sure i'll have a problem with the series. But c'mon. Are you really not going to give kids the credit to understand a deep series? Why is it that it was fine for an entire generation, but all of a sudden it needs to be a light campy romp in order for children to be fans?

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

What people tend to forget is that TAS wasnt being made for any one specific demographic. Brave and the Bold is. They got lucky with TAS, even Timm and company have stated this. It was another of those rare events in Batman history. Now, when there are new cartoons being done, they target a particular group, and when they do, they look at whats currently being done and tend to follow that suit. Also, there have only been 2 episodes shown, and the second wasnt as "kiddie" as some are thinking. However, even it was, theres nothing wrong with that. This is something that hasnt been done in a good long while. I just dont understand why everyone seem to want a clone of whats already been seen.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

As a kid, I didn't watch TAS because of how deep the storylines were, I watched it because it featured Batman. Kids simply don't care if a show is critically acclaimed or winning Emmys, they just want to see their favorite characters in action.

 

[dodgers2213]

The only thing I find pathetic is that you compare B: TAS saying they recuperated there losses through toys. I never looked at "The Batman" as trying to be "TAS", and I very much enjoyed "The Batman." Maybe thats why I did enjoy it, and all you hated it so much?

As well, all this "darkness" crap...uh you do realize that crap just set movie records? Why? Because it focused more on story instead of toys and appealing to kids, there's no reason a "batman" show can't get high enough ratings.

Oh and thank you for proving my point more on saying the "uber-dark" batman comics are the top sellers...OH MAN! Your right animation is a business...and its headed in the wrong direction according to you.

If I wanted a happy-go-lucky hero that made jokes I'd much rather see Supes....oh wait this is just a cash in hopes to sell toys.

Cut the crap and stop justifying a kids batman because "its fair for 8 year olds." The only thing that is pathetic is your justifying those 30 minute long commercials saying that's good television when it isn't...

This

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

Don't encourage him.

 

[baerrtt]

Despite the mixed responses to it by fans the one thing I loved about Grant Morrisson's run on BATMAN recently was the inclusion of all that 70 year history to the modern continuity.

What the likes of Grant and the makers of the tv show realise is that, despite people's preferences, Batman is a far more interesting character when all shades (campy, dark etc) of his adventures are on display rather than some teenage, ultimately one-dimensional fixation on 'darkness'. Though far from campy even TDK has elements of the more OTT nature of the character (the globetrotting aspect of the trip to Hong Kong reminded me of some of the Roger Moore James Bond era stuff they were imitating in the 70s comics).

Let there be constant reminders of the 'lighter' side of characters that are primarily iconic and heroic characters (as opposed to the darker knock-offs like the Punisher) so that children can have a starting point.

Also to agree with a poster BTAS despite it's maturity and critical acclaim most kids (including me) watched it purely because it was Batman beating bad guys week in and week out (just like kids watched the Adam West show without really knowing, or caring, that it was a pisstake). And most kids will be watching this new show to see Batman beating bad guys...you know the restt:.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Some people only think of one or two takes on Batman and his history, even though there are literally hundreds of interpretations, sometimes I wish people would open their eyes, wake up and realize that.

 

[theMan-Bat]

What people tend to forget is that TAS wasnt being made for any one specific demographic. Brave and the Bold is. They got lucky with TAS, even Timm and company have stated this. It was another of those rare events in Batman history.

That's right. Bruce Timm: In the quote unquote “children’s animation arena,” there’s always going to be issues of the broadcast standards acceptability and, “Is this appropriate for kids?” All that stuff. But fortunately for us, thank God for the Tim Burton movie because it was so extremely darker than anybody had seen Batman before in any kind of mass media that it really gave us a precedent to point to and say, “Hey, look! That was a big, dark Batman movie, and it was the number one movie last year." That was one of the reasons why Fox even bought the show in the first place, because of the movie.

Now, when there are new cartoons being done, they target a particular group, and when they do, they look at whats currently being done and tend to follow that suit. Also, there have only been 2 episodes shown, and the second wasnt as "kiddie" as some are thinking. However, even it was, theres nothing wrong with that. This is something that hasnt been done in a good long while.

Why aim the show just at the kids? It has been proven to be much more successful if it isn't being made for anyone specific demographic. Batman: The Animated Series more than proved that. To me Batman: The Animated Series set the standard which all Batman series must be judged. Batman: The Animated Series set the bar very high.

I just dont understand why everyone seem to want a clone of whats already been seen.

Batman: The Animated Series was so great there is no reason not to resurrect it and continue it. Why settle for anything less?

 

[Captain Planet!]

When will you people get it? No one really gives a **** about what you say or how much you complain. Get over it. Stop wasting your time.

 

[theMan-Bat]

When will you people get it? No one really gives a **** about what you say or how much you complain. Get over it. Stop wasting your time.

No criticisms allowed? If you don't like what I'm saying, that's fine. I'm still entitled to express my opinions. We don't all have to blindly conform and support this series.