The camp has been erased for a reason.

[Evil Twin]

Let's face it, it makes more sense for a non-superpowered character to bring in someone with powers for a specific mission, than it does for a superpowered character to think about teaming up. Why does Superman need to team up with Plastic Man, for instance? I don't think it hurts to suggest that Batman can't take on everyone regardless of power level by himself. You certainly have to jump through less hoops storywise.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

To shadowbat, I have to agreew ith one thing that was said. Im a bit suprised that you are a great admirer of this show. you being a big burton fanboy I thought you would have turned on this version. I guess theres more to your fandom than meets the eye.

Burton may be my favorite live action version of the character, but that doesnt mean that I dont like other interpretations. Im a Batman fan. All his incarnations represent something for me. I grew up and was introduced to Batman through the Superfriends, the 60's reruns, and the comics. This is probably why my fandon runs thru the whole gambit of Batman incarnations.


Anyway, here is a good blog on the series:

http://atomicgadfly.blogspot.com/2008/12/batman-re-animated-brave-and-bold.html

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I know the show is meant to be light-hearted and not to be taken seriously... but...

Was Batman BREATHING IN SPACE in the first episode?

 

[Jochimus]

I know the show is meant to be light-hearted and not to be taken seriously... but...

Was Batman BREATHING IN SPACE in the first episode?

Actually, no. When he and Blue Beetle first take off for the satellite, you can see some kind of faceplate slide down over his mouth - I suppose one could suggest that the protective lining Batman is usually established as wearing under his cowl has a transparent layer that can rotate down and lock in/pressurize over his face to contain whatever air supply he's got on him.

As for fighting Kanjar Ro on the outside of the ship, I don't even think the ship left the Gibbles' atmosphere (which makes sense given how obsessed K-Ro was with vacuuming up those little buggers).

 

[StorminNorman]

I love Batman Forever because it still tries to tell a story and has some great characterizations (Bruce/Batman & Dick Grayson). I even enjoy Batman & Robin for what it was meant to be a stylized overlong toy commercial with minimal plot and lots of exploitation.

Except that Batman & Robin does have two strong plots running throughout the film. The dying father/morning son relationship between Alfred and Bruce, as well as Mr. Freeze and his wife - all while Dick and Bruce are trying to define their relationship.

You can't criticize Batman & Robin for lacking plot.

 

[Captain Planet!]

I know the show is meant to be light-hearted and not to be taken seriously... but...

Was Batman BREATHING IN SPACE in the first episode?

He's Batman.


And he can breathe in space.

 

[toxinwaste]

Just Found this video
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=CFQttXSroO8

 

[Jochimus]

Just Found this video
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=CFQttXSroO8

I stopped after he spent a third of his time trying to come up with a word to follow "serious" and failed.

 

[spiderfan970]

Just Found this video
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=CFQttXSroO8

Great, now we have everything complained about in the this thread, but audible. Fantastic.

 

[Cain]

Except that Batman & Robin does have two strong plots running throughout the film. The dying father/morning son relationship between Alfred and Bruce, as well as Mr. Freeze and his wife - all while Dick and Bruce are trying to define their relationship.

You can't criticize Batman & Robin for lacking plot.

Yeah you're right though only the first two examples have moments of the strong characterization we saw with Bruce's arc in BF. The last example had too many moments of obnoxiousness due particularly to the way O'Donnell acted in some of those scenes.

 

[The_Riddler?]

This thread is the primary reason for me registering an account on the Superherohype. Yes, this topic alone has caused me to come out of the shadows of my riddle box and participate in discussion.

First, I agree with just about everything that has been said by the "pro's". The "nay's" really have no argument outside "I don't like it 'cuz it ain't dark". As far as arguing the "camp", you all need to go look up what the term means as related to this topic, because it is fairly obvious that 90% of you do not know what it is. Educate yourself before you go and start critisizing a particular thing, because if you don't, you just come across as an angry fanboy.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

This show is just too much...I understand that it's a kid show, but why does everyone seem to forget that BTAS and it's spin-offs were Saturday morning, kid fare as well? You Wanna know what the big difference was? Quality writing, voice acting, direction, and a respect for what the character is. He is not campy. He WAS campy, for about 3 of his 7 decade existence and the last we truly saw of that was almost 40 years ago. The camp, sucks, always has. I'm not in the "Frank Miller is god, Batman is so hardcore he eats thunder and ****s lighting" group by a long shot. He does have a lighter side and I like to see it. But lighter and camp are not the same thing. The light side was displayed in BTAS and even parts of the Nolan movies and most of the better comics out there. Camp is the realm of Batman and Robin, the Adam West show, and this new cartoon.

It's no bueno.

Why can't they make an intelligent cartoon for the kids these days? All of them, not just Bats, are freakin terrible. I was 6 years old when BTAS came around and still watch it and love it to this day! Brave and The Bold I wouldn't have even watched back then. Same with any of the cartoons on air, now. Horrible stuff...

 

[Ere]

First, I agree with just about everything that has been said by the "pro's". The "nay's" really have no argument outside "I don't like it 'cuz it ain't dark".

Not liking humorous interpretations because they think Batman only works as a dark character is a perfectly valid reason to dislike the show.

 

[Quinzel]

So, mistah j's not in it.

and i didn't think i'd like it.

But after watching 2 episodes with my little sister, i love the show. haha.

I think it's really funny.

 

[Cain]

Well people need to understand that BTAS was an exception and not the rule the majority of cartoons will be childish cause they're aimed at kids. The Real Ghostbusters & Phantom 2040 are probably the only other cartoons from my generation I'd say was as "sophisticated" as BTAS in it's approach but even they had their silly moments. BTAS came out when I was 9 yet at that time my other favorite cartoons were Darkwing Duck, Gummi Bears and Ninja Turtles. None of those 'toons were on the level of BTAS presentation in terms of tone but you know what I enjoyed watching them because they were a great way to pass a half hour. That's what it's all about they were fun.

Even the cartoons I watched when I was even younger than 9 like Silver Hawks, Thundercats, Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends, the 90's X-Men toons, C.O.P.S., Transformers, Masters of the Universe, Ruby Spears Superman, Filmation Batman & Robin, Voltron and many others were riddled with cheese and have aged horribly. But when I was a kid they were the best **** ever cause they were fun. You need to understand the majority of children just watch cartoons for escapism they're not looking for something that will bore them. Not saying BTAS is boring but most kids today probably couldn't put up with a more serious type of toon anyway cause there is no fun in seriousness.

Yeah BTAS had quality writing, direction, voice acting, and respect for the character. But that doesn't mean that this show does not. I don't see Batman having fruit pie juggling competitions with The Joker or surfing with Superman when I see this cartoon. All I see is Batman reacting to the outrageous situations these adventures put him in but he still acts like Batman. He's not a joke or charicture of the concept. Bader's narrations are my favorite part of the show so I say the voice acting is cool and it respects the spirit of the comics this show is based on liked BTAS did with the comics it was based on so it's headed in a good direction so far.

Honestly I think the issue besides people wanting darker Batman is people thinking every cartoon should emulate the mature nature of BTAS. That's not always going to work cause the fact is 9 times outta 10 a more lighthearted cartoon with merchandise potential will be more appealing to a greater set of kids. Because kids love spectacle and they love fantasy and at the end of the day a cartoon will be a cartoon for that very reason. So you either enjoy it or not but it's not something that is a pox on the world or something it's really not that serious.

I'm 25 and I still enjoy watching Looney Tunes, Popeye and Tom & Jerry cartoons I've been watching since I was a toddler. Yet they're very childish but I could always find a place for them, fact is my life is so serious sometimes that it's refreshing to watch those every once in a while for a good lighthearted chuckle. I don't know man I still don't see any real valid criticism against this show.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Well people need to understand that BTAS was an exception and not the rule the majority of cartoons will be childish cause they're aimed at kids. The Real Ghostbusters is probably the only other cartoon from my generation I'd say was as "sophisticated" as BTAS in it's approach. BTAS came out when I was 9 yet at that time my other favorite cartoons were Darkwing Duck, Gummi Bears and Ninja Turtles. None of those 'toons were on the level of BTAS presentation in terms of tone but you know what I enjoyed watching them because they were a great way to pass a half hour. That's what it's all about they were fun.

Even the cartoons I watched when I was even younger than 9 like Silver Hawks, Thundercats, Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends, the 90's X-Men toons, C.O.P.S., Transformers, Masters of the Universe, Ruby Spears Superman, Filmation Batman & Robin, Voltron and many others were riddled with cheese and have aged horribly. But when I was a kid they were the best **** ever cause they were fun. You need to understand the majority of children just watch cartoons for escapism they're not looking for something that will bore them. Not saying BTAS is boring but most kids today probably couldn't put up with a more serious type of toon anyway cause there is no fun in seriousness.

Yeah BTAS had quality writing, direction, voice acting, and respect for the character. But that doesn't mean that this show does not. I don't see Batman having fruit pie juggling competitions with The Joker or surfing with Superman when I see this cartoon. All I see is Batman reacting to the outrageous situations these adventures put him in but he still acts like Batman. He's not a joke or charicture of the concept. Bader's narrations are my favorite part of the show so I say the voice acting is cool and it respects the spirit of the comics this show is based on liked BTAS did with the comics it was based on so it's headed in a good direction so far.

Darkwing Duck and Transformers are still the bees knees, man! lol I guess I was an exception to kids like BTAS was to kid's cartoons, cause as a wee lad I never liked any of the shows you mentioned outside of those three. I still love Looney Toons, as well. Great stuff...I'm tellin ya it's not that I'm grown up it's that the show's are more dumbed down and uninspired with every passing season.

I did love GI Joe, though. Looking back on it now I couldn't begin to tell you why....:facepalm What a lame show

 

[Ere]

Even the cartoons I watched when I was even younger than 9 like Silver Hawks, Thundercats, Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends, the 90's X-Men toons, C.O.P.S., Transformers, Masters of the Universe, Ruby Spears Superman, Filmation Batman & Robin, Voltron and many others were riddled with cheese and have aged horribly. But when I was a kid they were the best **** ever cause they were fun. You need to understand the majority of children just watch cartoons for escapism they're not looking for something that will bore them. Not saying BTAS is boring but most kids today probably couldn't put up with a more serious type of toon anyway cause there is no fun in seriousness.

I totally disagree there. Cartoons can be serious and still be fun for kids.

Honestly I think the issue besides people wanting darker Batman is people thinking every cartoon should emulate the mature nature of BTAS. That's not always going to work cause the fact is 9 times outta 10 a more lighthearted cartoon with merchandise potential will be more appealing to a greater set of kids. Because kids love spectacle and they love fantasy and at the end of the day a cartoon will be a cartoon for that very reason. So you either enjoy it or not but it's not something that is a pox on the world or something it's really not that serious.

I would like to know why cartoons can't be treated as any other medium. What's wrong with having shows aimed at kids and shows aimed at adults? And what's wrong with wanting a cartoon about a serious character, to be serious?

I'm 25 and I still enjoy watching Looney Tunes, Popeye and Tom & Jerry cartoons I've been watching since I was a toddler. Yet they're very childish but I could always find a place for them, fact is my life is so serious sometimes that it's refreshing to watch those every once in a while for a good lighthearted chuckle. I don't know man I still don't see any real valid criticism against this show.

How are they childish? They're comedy, so I would say they were created for everyone.

 

[JAK®]

The point people are missing here is that the character of Batman in this show is completely serious. It is only the situations and style of the show that is 'campy' (and its really not THAT campy).

It's not like this is Batman in Gotham City, intimidating criminals and murderers. This is Batman teaming up with other superheroes and exploring hidden lands and planets. 'Camp' is acceptable in this context.

 

[JAK®]

The point people are missing here is that the character of Batman in this show is completely serious. It is only the situations and style of the show that is 'campy' (and its really not THAT campy).

It's not like this is Batman in Gotham City, intimidating criminals and murderers. This is Batman teaming up with other superheroes and exploring hidden lands and planets. 'Camp' is acceptable in this context.

 

[3dman27]

right jak@
welcome to the hype

 

[Syncos]

Darkwing Duck and Transformers are still the bees knees, man! lol I guess I was an exception to kids like BTAS was to kid's cartoons, cause as a wee lad I never liked any of the shows you mentioned outside of those three. I still love Looney Toons, as well. Great stuff...I'm tellin ya it's not that I'm grown up it's that the show's are more dumbed down and uninspired with every passing season.

I did love GI Joe, though. Looking back on it now I couldn't begin to tell you why....:facepalm What a lame show

Even shows like looney toons, and tiny toons, and hell, even animaniacs snuck in a lot of more mature humor that kids wouldn't even get, that's mainly directed at the parents who were watching with their kids.

I show that parents can stand to sit through (or god help me, enjoy) only serves to help not only the show but our society in general. The more time parents spend with their children, even watching some saturday morning cartoons, is time that they're actually parenting. which we don't see enough of these days.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

It's not like this is Batman in Gotham City, intimidating criminals and murderers. This is Batman teaming up with other superheroes and exploring hidden lands and planets. 'Camp' is acceptable in this context.

But why would he be doing that? This is Batman we're talking about here, not Johnny Quest...even the premise of this series doesn't fit the character...Being in Gotham, intimidating the worst of the worst is what Batman does, it's his sole purpose for existing. It still doesn't excuse the goofiness of it all, either. Camp is a terrible thing to do to a serious character. You want to make an original thing that is campy? Fine, I've got no problem with it and if it's well done I'll enjoy it. But seeing The DARK Knight in these sorts of situations is ridiculous. It always has been anytime they've tried something like this before and it is now.

 

[JAK®]

But why would he be doing that? This is Batman we're talking about here, not Johnny Quest...even the premise of this series doesn't fit the character...Being in Gotham, intimidating the worst of the worst is what Batman does, it's his sole purpose for existing.

Then explain his presence in the Justice League, who frequently travel to other worlds, dimensions and places.

It still doesn't excuse the goofiness of it all, either. Camp is a terrible thing to do to a serious character.

Batman is still a serious character. He has shown himself to be intelligent, cynical and responsible. It is only the other characters and situations that are 'campy'.

You want to make an original thing that is campy? Fine, I've got no problem with it and if it's well done I'll enjoy it. But seeing The DARK Knight in these sorts of situations is ridiculous. It always has been anytime they've tried something like this before and it is now.

Batman has succeeded in other interpretations beyond that of 'The Dark Knight', which is a recent addition in the late '80s.

This Batman is a lot like the 70's Batman, another popular era concerning the character.

 

[Ere]

Then explain his presence in the Justice League, who frequently travel to other worlds, dimensions and places. Batman is still a serious character. He has shown himself to be intelligent, cynical and responsible.

Bruce Timm proved that you can make a JL-esque cartoon with Batman without making it campy.

It is only the other characters and situations that are 'campy'. Batman has succeeded in other interpretations beyond that of 'The Dark Knight', which is a recent addition in the late '80s.

No, it isn't. The 70's and 80's merely bought back the original Batman, the way he was in his first years.

This Batman is a lot like the 70's Batman, another popular era concerning the character.

More like the 60's. And Batman wasn't campy back then, only the TV show, which was a parody of Batman and the superhero genre in general.
The comics were just ridiculous, not campy. And that was because they were trying to imitate Superman comics of that age, which sold better than Batman comics at the moment.
And the reason they stopped being ridiculous was that they needed to "mature", as the industry started telling smarter stories aimed at more mature readers (hence most current comic book readers of now teenagers rather than kids). So why should a modern cartoon use an aged method of storytelling, and give people a wrong idea of what Batman is like?

 

[Cain]

I'm tellin ya it's not that I'm grown up it's that the show's are more dumbed down and uninspired with every passing season.

Can't really call it as I honestly don't watch any contemporary cartoons outside of this one. What I do know is that cartoons have been dumbed down and uninspired since even when I was a kid hence all those corny shows I name checked in my previous post. So it's not like it's some sort of new trend.