The END of the DC movie franchaises may be upon us...

[thechubbysaint]

They really need to go back to having these heroes as 'serials.' (3-6 movies near back to back) It most mimics their comic form, have '24' type cliff-hangers, and will be more character driven than eye candy.

Basically they need to plan out the movies over a time arc.
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[cheney4prez2008]

Anyone here thinks that Wonder Woman will do better than Superman Returns at the B.O.?

 

[CConn]

They really need to go back to having these heroes as 'serials.' (3-6 movies near back to back) It most mimics their comic form, have '24' type cliff-hangers, and will be more character driven than eye candy.

Basically they need to plan out the movies over a time arc.
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They're starting to do that now a bit. Nolan and Goyer planned out BB2 and 3 pretty early on, and I remember Singer having said he has stuff planned for SR2 and 3.

 

[Katsuro]

WB is sitting on a gold mine with both Superman and Batman. Unfortunately they both have underwhelming movies. Batman was at best mediocre and Superman is well... not good. it's unfortunate.

I'll agree with you on Batman, it was mediocre at best. Batman Begins, on the other hand, was fantastic!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

They're both critical hits, and Batman Begins made a ton of cash and Superman Returns can still make more money, IMO.

They do need to expand it all though, don't just throw all the weight on the Two Greatest Heroes.....Bats and Supes. They need to get Wonder Woman out, get the Flash ready to go, and start planning others as well. GL is a must make. They could even go with more obscure ones too.

 

[Marvel Man]

Geez SuperMan has only been out for like a week and yall are saying its the end of it? It has a month or two before u get a general idea what the last amount will come to. As for Batman, that will go on to atleast three movies.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lol, yup. Superman's been out for only a week.....and all of a sudden, the world is devouring itself......people can be pretty spazzy.

 

[Marvel Man]

lol, yup. Superman's been out for only a week.....and all of a sudden, the world is devouring itself......people can be pretty spazzy.

I know i mean just let the Box Office be and if your getting so worked up about it just go see the fricking movie again to help out! lol

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lol, Exactly man.

I dunno, one problem I have is this notion that we all need to defeat the Spidey numbers. I don't think any film can do that. Spidey really rode an incredible wave that summer, and hasn't gotten off since. It's like "Oh, if you can't beat out Spidey's numbers....you suck" or something. If I had my way, ALL comic films would ****ing pwn all the time. It'd be good for all fans.

I seriously think Superman Returns will do fine. The numbers will go up, and that'll be that. I'm defintely going to go see it again for sure.

Wonder Woman would draw a TON of female audiences. AND, if the actress they get to play her is hot.....TONS of guys. It's playing into both genders, a WIN WIN situation I think.

 

[Lestat74]

Wonder Woman is my favorite DC character. I adore her....BUT....no matter what Superman Returns ends up making, Wonder Woman won't make nearly as much. Female action heroes just don't sell that well. at best, she'll get around 125-130 million. Sadly, we live in a sexist society. But Wondy is an Icon, so that could help her. But she will never be in the Superman/Batman/X-Men league in terms of #'s. And Warners knows this, and the movie won't have near the budget. But since Joss Whedon is doing it, I ain't too worried, becuse he can make great entertainment that's more about character than spectacle.

 

[CConn]

I wouldn't say it's sexism at all. If you'll notice, all the movies with female action heroes that have done poorly, were, well, bad movies. The movies that were actually good, did perfectly well. Terminator, Aliens, Kill Bill, etc.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, I think we live in a feminist society. I think Wonder Woman is the exception, simply b/c she's the IT of all female heroes to ever exist. And....if she's smoking hot.....Guys will go see her.

But....there might be fanboys who are afraid of a woman pwning all though....

 

[dpm07]

I wouldn't say it's sexism at all. If you'll notice, all the movies with female action heroes that have done poorly, were, well, bad movies. The movies that were actually good, did perfectly well. Terminator, Aliens, Kill Bill, etc.

This is a true statement. Look at those movies that were mentioned. They succeeded because they were good films. SR was a bit underwhelming and flat like day old cola left out. Batman Begins, IMO rocked on many levels and I think the sequel will even be better.

A female film can succeed but it does have to be written well, and attention needs to be paid by using the resource material out there so it doesn't become a CINO.

 

[Ben Urich]

lol, yup. Superman's been out for only a week.....and all of a sudden, the world is devouring itself......people can be pretty spazzy.

I think the Superman fans are even more persnickety than the Spider-Man ones.
Probably because they're, like, 35 years older.

 

[Prognosticator]

Anyone here thinks that Wonder Woman will do better than Superman Returns at the B.O.?

There's NO way! This is the biggest misconception today, that WW would hold her own. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a "$100 mil" worthy at the B.O., but there is no REAL WW following?? Plus, no one's really clammoring for a WW movie except for the fact that we know they're making one to begin with.

WB would be set to introduce a Flash movie, but staking all DC franchises on WW's B.O. will be a mistake.

 

[Prognosticator]

The good thing about SR overall response is Joss Whedon is still in the multiple-drafting process. He still has time to go back and make corrections according to the negative reactions from SR...i.e., he can amp up the ass-kickedness of the movie!

 

[thechubbysaint]

There are alot of males that still remember Linda Carter in that outfit. I wouldn't underestimate WW inactive fan base.

As for the action, it is a bit different with WW. You are supposed to suspend belief because she is superpowered.

Now Charlie's Angels with three regular powered anorexic looking women is not believable. Not sexist, but it is kinda hard to take them as 'ass kickers' of lots of evil men.

 

[CConn]

The thing that worries me most about Wonder Woman's box office is Whedon, actually. It seems like no one outside of his cult following gives a damn about his work. Buffy was a TV show on a third-rate network, Firefly was cancelled, Serenity bombed, and his only really successful movie script was Toy Story - and he wrote that with others.

If I was WB, I just wouldn't be very confident in staking too much money on him.

 

[Lestat74]

yeah, but Warners knows Whedon will make a quality film, which could help differentiate WW from other camp-fests like Catwoman and Bloodrayne. They're hoping that the Whedon pedigree will propel the movie to success. All I'm saying is that WW will not be expected to be a blockbuster in the Superman/Batman way. Success is relative. they will spend less, so I'm sure they'll be thrilled if they make more than $100 million.

 

[thechubbysaint]

With anything, it depends on word of mouth. BB's word of mouth kept it going. The bad press SR's got has dampened what should have been Spiderman numbers.

 

[CrypticOne]

Superman Returns was an amazing film but it seems to be doing badly in the Box Office despite an extremely strong marketing campaign by WB.

If SR does indeed prove unprofitable, there will likely be no sequels (given the massive budget it requires).

This may likely also convince WB to NOT continue the DC superhero movies and NOT to take chances on the lesser known heroes when Superman proved to be unpopular.

Flash, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Green Lantern etc...Big budget DC Superhero films like these likely wont happen if Superman proves unprofitable.

Even though Batman Begins will be the only ones to continue, its unlikely we'll see other DC Superheroes step up into these big budget films if Superman is a failure.......

I'm hoping SR's Box Office # improves soon...for the sake of the future.

Discuss.

I'm saying continue with the Batman Begins franchise and the Superman Returns franchise. DC needs to focus on those two and those two only. I wouldn't like those other DC movies coming out, because some of those characters can't hold a movie on there own.

I hope SR gets at least two more movies. They just need to have some good villains in them.

 

[IAmHe9]

I was bale to find this oneline:



Just so everyone is on the same page.

Exactly. The tax break puts it at $184 million, while I said it was $185 million. The estimation that it's at $200 million is hypthothetical; it's a guess what the budget would've been like without the tax break.

 

[dnno1]

I saw Superman Returns on Monday and thought it was an excellent story. I saw a 911 moment in it

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(a man falling out of a building, but Superman saved him)

, a little bit of King Arthur in it

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(the Arthur, Sir Lancelot, and Quenivier triangle were Superman was wounded -- like Sir Lancelot)

, and a little of the "Passion of the Christ"

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(Luthor and his cronies kicking the snot out of Superman- --and Lois saved him)

. The scene where

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Superman hoisted the land mass into space was reminicent of our modern day atheletes who have to "suck-it-up" and play with pain or injuries in the big game, except superman super-sucks-it up facing near death from Kryptonite poisoning while lifting a land mass the size of a continent.

I think that some of these stunts had to be done to show the true power of Superman and the fact that he has the heart of a true hero (more than most heroes that we worship). There is no end to the DC movie franchise (right now or ever) as long as they make films like this one and we will be talking about it in forums, in books, and in college classrooms for years to come. I recomend that every one go see this one because it is a classic in the making.

 

[Ben Urich]

I wouldn't like those other DC movies coming out, because some of those characters can't hold a movie on there own.

Do you read comic books?

 

[CConn]

I've noticed any character can be a good character with a good writer. And any film can be a good film with a good director. Not that I'd want to see a 12-part film series about the Elongated Man or anything.