The Guns thread

[SV Fan]

My personal take on guns is people should be able to own them, they just shouldn't be able to carry them in heavily density areas, unless they are in a locked case. Only places in any size town or city you should be able to expose a gun is at your house or a licensed area such as a shooting range or gun dealer.

I would also make it a law Police could shoot any person with a gun(and are trained to do so) with no questions asked if they are in one of these no gun zones.

 

[auditor]

Okay so my opinion had changed 2 days ago. I came to the conclusion that guns should be banned.

And I just remembered how bad the protests were in Ferguson Missouri. So maybe guns should not be illegal. I'll have to reconsider. Why couldn't the pro gun people have used that example in their debate? You would sound reasonable. All this second ammendment, civil war, invasion talk, makes you just sound dangerous and crazy.

 

[auditor]

My personal take on guns is people should be able to own them, they just shouldn't be able to carry them in heavily density areas, unless they are in a locked case. Only places in any size town or city you should be able to expose a gun is at your house or a licensed area such as a shooting range or gun dealer.

I would also make it a law Police could shoot any person with a gun(and are trained to do so) with no questions asked if they are in one of these no gun zones.

I can not agree there. Unexpected situations arise and there could be an unknown reason for why the person is in that place. I only disagree with the shoot on sight part of your statement.

 

[DeadPresident]

I can not agree there. Unexpected situations arise and there could be an unknown reason for why the person is in that place. I only disagree with the shoot on sight part of your statement.

Edit: I get what you meant now.

 

[TheCommissioner]

it appears there is some tension internally in the NRA over Philando Castile

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...over-philando-castile/?utm_term=.b8a3191b80c5

 

[Matt Mortem]

it appears there is some tension internally in the NRA over Philando Castile

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...over-philando-castile/?utm_term=.b8a3191b80c5

You can guarantee that had Castile been white and shot in the same manner that the NRA would be leading the outrage pack.

Hopefully this starts to wake some people up on who the NRA really stands for. They don't stand for ALL gun owners and ALL gun rights. The NRA is really just the militant head of the GOP. Hell, McConnell said they wouldn't nominate a justice unless he was NRA approved. I don't recall the NRA being a legislative body or elected by the people, but here they are deciding and governing. Wish the people, of which this government is by and for, got a say in making the NRA the fourth branch of our government.

 

[regwec]

I think that is somewhat defamatory towards the Republicans, whatever you may think of their current leadership.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I think that is somewhat defamatory towards the Republicans, whatever you may think of their current leadership.

Based on how the GOP votes on gun issues I think it's a fair thing to say. They are absolute slaves to that lobby. Yes, liberals have their lobby's they're also beholden to, but the way the right bows down to the NRA is despicable.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It really is kind of amazing that the NRA hasn't atleast pretended to even sorta, kinda, wimbly, wobbly support Castile.

But, I also thought it was weird in the Tamir Rice case. If you're willing to believe that they thought he was 18, which is a hard pill to swallow, it was also in an Open-Carry state. Same thing with John Crawford, who was shot holding a bee bee gun in a Walmart. Both of those happened in Ohio, which is an open carry state. In both cases, they weren't actually holding weapons, but the police assumed they were. And killed them for it.

I think if we're honest here, those are three cases (including Castile) where the NRA had a clear path to defending the open carry and the second amendment. And they didn't. They deviated from how they normally, and aggressively, defend those rights. They are very vocal and very public on their stances. But in those cases, silent as a church mouse.

 

[terry78]

Because those dudes were viewed as having shady criminal pasts, and they don't wanna sound like hypocrites regarding their good guy bad guy shtick.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

They were? By who?

 

[Lighthouse]

The cops who shot John Crawford should be in jail. I still cannot believe what happened there.

 

[The Overlord]

I thought this was an interesting article on how the second amendment never seems to apply to African Americans:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...g-philando-castile-2nd-amendment-guns/490301/

If the NRA is giving tacit consent to the idea that the second amendment is a privilege for white people then a right for everyone, then Fox News seems to actively support the idea, with Fox News saying that everyone should have gun one moment and then justifying the cops killing African Americans under dubious circumstances, the next moment, by saying that the shooting victim likely had a gun.

How are guns making us safer if some cops use gun possession as an excuse to kill people and the conservative media will back them up? The sad fact is Castile would likely still be alive if he didn't possess a gun, unless the cop who shot him was super racist.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I wonder now how long he had that concealed carry permit and the gun to go with it? It was reported that he had multiple stops. If he had the gun during the times those previous stops occurred then he had probably gone through the motions of telling the police officers he had a licensed firearm in the car and showed them his paperwork before.

 

[Victarion]

How are guns making us safer if some cops use gun possession as an excuse to kill people and the conservative media will back them up? The sad fact is Castile would likely still be alive if he didn't possess a gun, unless the cop who shot him was super racist.

The gun isn't making you any safer on its own than it is murdering on its own. I understand that some people have an irrational fear of guns, but let's not generalize it to the entire populace with statements like this one.

 

[DeadPresident]

The gun isn't making you any safer on its own than it is murdering on its own. I understand that some people have an irrational fear of guns, but let's not generalize it to the entire populace with statements like this one.

This is a logical fallacy, because the perception of the presence of a gun makes people treat one another differently, possibly murdering one another. So in this context saying it was a causal variable in Castile losing his life isn't incorrect.

 

[The Overlord]

The gun isn't making you any safer on its own than it is murdering on its own. I understand that some people have an irrational fear of guns, but let's not generalize it to the entire populace with statements like this one.

You are missing my point, I am saying that the proliferation of guns among the population and many cops still having racial biases, means that these cops will justfy shooting African Americans by stating "I thought he had a gun" and Fox News will back him up.

I don't think the second amendment makes African Americans safer at all, not in the slightest.

 

[Saint]

At a certain point one must wonder if a particular culture is mature and measured enough, as a whole, to handle the responsibility of gun ownership.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought this was an interesting article on how the second amendment never seems to apply to African Americans:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...g-philando-castile-2nd-amendment-guns/490301/

If the NRA is giving tacit consent to the idea that the second amendment is a privilege for white people then a right for everyone, then Fox News seems to actively support the idea, with Fox News saying that everyone should have gun one moment and then justifying the cops killing African Americans under dubious circumstances, the next moment, by saying that the shooting victim likely had a gun.

How are guns making us safer if some cops use gun possession as an excuse to kill people and the conservative media will back them up? The sad fact is Castile would likely still be alive if he didn't possess a gun, unless the cop who shot him was super racist.

That's the picture that seems to be getting painted. By them, too.

The NRA is very outspoken, and doesn't mince words. And the NRA is very public about speaking out against the government with regards to the second amendment. The commercials I watch, they straight up take on the President.

So, clashing with the Police isn't an issue for the NRA. Them not saying anything about the Castile shooting sticks out. Same thing with the Tamir Rice shooting and John Crawford shooting. Those last two happened in Open-Carry states. As outspoken as they are, to the point of disconnection from society with the way they started talking about violent videogames, of all things, after Sandy Hook. One could say that the NRA can have a kneejerk reaction in wanting to publicly stand for the 2nd amendment.

But for them to be so silent on those three issues. Just...strange.

 

[auditor]

At a certain point one must wonder if a particular culture is mature and measured enough, as a whole, to handle the responsibility of gun ownership.

Our culture isn't mature enough. That is what had me considering whether we should outlaw guns all together. I came to the conclusion we shouldn't, because hurricane Katrina and Ferguson Missouri proved you can end up in a lawless situation with nobody to count on.

But I still think a day is coming when it will be preferable to outlaw guns. I just shudder thinking how many new guns will exist in this country between now and then.

 

[SuperSanchez]

Anyone seen Jim Jefferies stand up segment of gun control, he makes some pretty valid points, can't share it here though cause of the language

 

[regwec]

At a certain point one must wonder if a particular culture is mature and measured enough, as a whole, to handle the responsibility of gun ownership.

I don't think a mature and measured culture would want guns to the same degree.

 

[Saint]

I don't think a mature and measured culture would want guns to the same degree.

I don't necessarily disagree.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

More important than the polls: @FiveThirtyEight is out with a massive project on gun deaths in America:

 

[The Endless]

A man walks into a public place armed with a knife. He manages to kill what, a couple of people before he's subdued.

A man walks into a public place armed with an AR15. How many people do you think will die?