The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Valerie_f4]

Random question,

Spoiler

What were the shooting at the Hulk, Sonic waves? I loved that scene.

 

[Spidey 2007]

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Seriously, it's much better. Especially the facial expressions, which really bugged me in 2008.

The shot near the end where he looks at Betty with almost a tear in his eye blows away ANY similar scene in 2008.

Hulks design was better in 2008, his body was better proprtioned, but that's it.

THANK you for posting that. if anyone would argue that 08 hulks CGI is better than I dont see how they will win. I love both movies but at the time 03 hulk came out i was stunned and TODAY im stunned, thats good CG.

the movements in angs hulk are much more lifelike and there are subtle instances in his movements that really top it off. and for peopel who are saying the 08 hulk has better proportion? i dont understand. He doesnt. angs hulk technically has better proportions. The muscles look like muscles, they have a certain weight and flex to them. 08 hulks wrists are way too big, the pecs shouldnt always look like they are being flexed, that was one of the biggest flaws imo. I watched the movie saying "suspend disbeliefe.. its okay. " its not bad cg at all." almost like denial.. but it did take me away form the moments. n 03 that was nowhere to be thought of, instead i was thinking "wow what a fantastic job they did" "look at thaaat" "wow"

I keep thinking how perfect this movie wuld have been if ILM did the effects. I love angs hulk for its effects and artistry, and the new hulk for its comic booky approach and Marvelization.

I love em both though. hate complaining heh.

 

[NoirMan82]

To each his/her own, but no movie besides Sin City and 300 has art direction like Hulk 2003. Everything else is really bland directing just that they all have a great set of characters and fx to show off, but no artistic motivation to me in Iron man, Hulk 08, Batman Begins, Spidermans...etc.

I wish directors were as creative as the artists they take the material from. Most Comic movies are bland in direction like Star Wars new gen. I need more creativity out of these guys and not just simple shots and nothing really cool. I can actually pin point memorable shots of ANg Lee's Hulk, but NOTHING in the 08 Hulk was really that creative but straight simple shots and nothing worthy of saying, WOW that was a cool thing.

Hulk "crouching tiger" jumping through the desert and the panels following him and cutting in and out was phenomenal directing techniques. The dog fight wasn't amazing, but the art direction in that whole scene was GREAT. Also the chemistry that ANG pulled off with Bruce and Betty was UNMATCHED by any other adaptation ever done before. Liv and Norton was no more than another chick flick romance and made her not as important as Connelly and let's not even talk about acting.

Ang's was just a serious movie and still has some things that will never be tapped into or topped by a Hulk director again.

If you like Ang so much, you should marry him. Sorry but he just stole the panel thing from 24, are you forgetting that? Bana and Connelly had no sparks. Even my comic movie hating GF loved the romantic bits in TIH. Every major critic says that this film is far superior to Hulk 03', yet you stand by it for some reason. Give it a rest man, I'll see TIH at least once more in theatres, seeing Ang's once was more than enough.

 

[marty mcfly]

i think some people are over exaggerating a liiiiittle bit when they say that TIH CG is the worst they've ever seen. i actually really liked it, even in the day time shots. the only problems i had were when he's in the chair and he's changing, (most of it looked a little too fake) and some of the scenes during the final fight with abom. the close-ups were a little too fake. but for the most part, i thought the CG looked great. that cave scene was really really impressive.

however, i DO think that if ILM got to do the effects with the TIH design and still under LL's direction, it would have been consistent, and much better.

hulk 08 > hulk 03 by far. the movie itself was just SO much better. the cgi had weak moments, but the rest of the movie made up for them. hulk 03 had good cgi, a horrible design, and was just a bad, dumb, boring movie.

 

[Comicfan]

OT: I don't believe this, but are they remaking robocop?

Saddly...yes

 

[Valerie_f4]

They are?
Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Comparativly, considering the amount years in between the movies, i'd say the CGI Hulk in Ang's movie was much better and much more effective.

However, the cgi in the new movie wasnt as bad as some people make out IMO, it never once took me out of the movie.

 

[The_Vision]

The CGI is amazing! Much, much better than 03 Hulk

 

[brandon_jk]

did anyone see the ogre in the movie "the spiderwick chronicles"?

it is a creature very similar to the hulk(even if its face is much lesser human) and it does look UTTERLY photorealistic!

This is for the people writing that is not possible with today technology to create a convincing HULK...and spiderwick cost only 90 milion $ compared to the TIH 150.

 

[Kirmit]

did anyone see the ogre in the movie "the spiderwick chronicles"?

it is a creature very similar to the hulk(even if its face is much lesser human) and it does look UTTERLY photorealistic!

This is for the people writing that is not possible with today technology to create a convincing HULK...and spiderwick cost only 90 milion $ compared to the TIH 150.

And how much screentime exactly did this ogre have?

 

[brandon_jk]

And how much screentime exactly did this ogre have?

little screen time, but who cares? it is more realistic

 

[Kirmit]

little screen time, but who cares? it is more realistic

Yeah but you have to think about budget requirements, Hulk had a hell of a alotta screentime that will obviously eat into the budget. Besides that I saw that ogre on previews, doesn't come close the TIH's cave scene or the Hulk standing in fire holding betty in his arms.

 

[Comicfan]

Yeah but you have to think about budget requirements, Hulk had a hell of a alotta screentime that will obviously eat into the budget. Besides that I saw that ogre on previews, doesn't come close the TIH's cave scene or the Hulk standing in fire holding betty in his arms.

But spiderwick was made with 90 millions... and hulk with 150

soo, they could have spend 60 millions just on the hulk and abomt:

 

[EternalMaster]

This CGI blew the 03 Hulk outta the water. The unfinished trailer CGi for this film was > 03 Hulk, and the finished effects were >>> 03 Hulk.

Borderline trollish to say otherwise.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

The "water chamber escape" scene in 03 looked so real, I doubt that any random scene in the entire 08 film could even come close to that realism.

Plus, the 03's skin wasn't so thin that you could see every little muscle fiber in his body.

 

[Kirmit]

The "water chamber escape" scene in 03 looked so real, I doubt that any random scene in the entire 08 film could even come close to that realism.

Plus, the 03's skin wasn't so thin that you could see every little muscle fiber in his body.

That scene from the water tank never looked that great, his head was way disproportionate to his body and his skin obviously was too bright, the cave scene totally out did it by far.

It wasn't his skin was so thin, it's that his muscles were that huge!

 

[Sarcasm]

For those that enjoyed the CGI, good for you. For those that didn't enjoy the CGI, good for you. Either way it doesn't matter. Unless you have the technical expertise needed to improve the CGI your opinion doesn't matter. Yes, I said it, good or bad your opinion does not matter. For a topic such as quality of CGI your opinion must be earned. Anyone can point out flaws, but unless you can provide a real solution (not some lame cut & paste Google solution that any redneck idiot could "research") then your opinion does not matter.

My opinion, I thought the CGI was fantastic, but my opinion doesn't apply in a good vs bad CGI quality thread....I have zero expertise. And even you photoshoppers with your marginal skills....your opinions don't apply either. You can't produce an image without an existing image LOL!!

 

[Comicfan]

For those that enjoyed the CGI, good for you. For those that didn't enjoy the CGI, good for you. Either way it doesn't matter. Unless you have the technical expertise needed to improve the CGI your opinion doesn't matter. Yes, I said it, good or bad your opinion does not matter. For a topic such as quality of CGI your opinion must be earned. Anyone can point out flaws, but unless you can provide a real solution (not some lame cut & paste Google solution that any redneck idiot could "research") then your opinion does not matter.

My opinion, I thought the CGI was fantastic, but my opinion doesn't apply in a good vs bad CGI quality thread....I have zero expertise. And even you photoshoppers with your marginal skills....your opinions don't apply either. You can't produce an image without an existing image LOL!!

I´m a traditional artist, painter, digital artist, modeler, scuptor, animator and all around good guy, does my opinion count?

 

[Kirmit]

I´m a traditional artist, painter, digital artist, modeler, scuptor, animator and all around good guy, does my opinion count?

Yeah it does, only because of the all around good guy comment though .

 

[Comicfan]

Yeah it does, only because of the all around good guy comment though .

t:


I will have to wait until this weekend to give any real opinion

 

[ProfeZZor X]

That scene from the water tank never looked that great, his head was way disproportionate to his body and his skin obviously was too bright, the cave scene totally out did it by far.

It wasn't his skin was so thin, it's that his muscles were that huge!

Have you even seen wet human skin before? Assuming that you have, how could it possibly look as wet as it did in the 08 movie? In that entire rain scene, he looked like a frickin' glazed donut.

I have seen a BL copy of the movie since my initial theatrical viewing on Saturday, and rewound that scene a couple of times to visually notice how greasy and oily his skin looks compared to regular skin and Liv's... And it was obvious that it was poorly rendered, even with the bad BL copy I saw. There were just too many white highlights glistening off his skin.

 

[Kirmit]

Have you even seen wet human skin before? Assuming that you have, how could it possibly look as wet as it did in the 08 movie? In that entire rain scene, he looked like a frickin' glazed donut.

I have seen a BL copy of the movie since my initial theatrical viewing on Saturday, and rewound that scene a couple of times to visually notice how greasy and oily his skin looks compared to regular skin and Liv's... And it was obvious that it was poorly rendered, even with the bad BL copy I saw. There were just too many white highlights if you asked me.

He was in the rain for a long time, he was drenched through (liv had been sheltered by him huge body), that is how someone looks after being in the rain for a long time, I too have see the BL copy and watched that scene several times, it surpasses the '03 watertank scene for two reasons. Now I will say the render quality on both is equal, there isn't getting any better than how both were done wet but the '08 surpasses '03 because the design is much better and the skin colour is much better. Now add these two things to the render quality and you have better cgi than the '03 version in the two mentioned scenes.

 

[primemover]

'03 = better muscle/skin fidelity by a long shot, and better skin rendering
'08 = better hair, head, color and overall body shape

animation was a push for me, both had great animation

 

[ant3ros]

'03 = better muscle/skin fidelity by a long shot, and better skin rendering
'08 = better hair, head, color and overall body shape

animation was a push for me, both had great animation

'08= better detail, better texture, better design, better lighting and environmental effects, better expression

'03= more consistent modeling, better articulation, more consistent rendering,

There were scenes in Hulk 08 where Hulk looked totally convincing and virtually perfect. However, the modeling and rendering in other scenes came off as inconsistent.

Hulk '03 played up its technoligical handicaps really well. It's skin model was more generalized and had less detail, but it was overall consistent with its rendering and the realism of his movements made up to create a sense of realism.

Hulk '08 was far more ambitious at visual realism in terms of color, texture, and lighting. Its movement and articulation was less nuanced, but it's greatest detraction was the modeling and rendering inconsistencies.

 

[Neto Magnus]

its been 5 years since teh first film and i gotta say I wasn't that overwhelmed with the cgi in this one.