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Here's a good question... And thought provoking as far as the effects.

Is this close-up shot from the French trailer CG or animitronics that were to be used for close-ups? There isn't much movement in that scene and pretty dark...
 
Animatronics will be things like Arms and Leg's. The Face CG MC is all computer.
 
but it isnt on level playing field though, you've seen the movie, was the dog fight THAT bright?... was he THAT green in that scene. The thing is, the 03 pic is clearly altered. You know that, I know that, EB knows that, thats if he's actually seen the first movie.

Sava, no-one disputing whether the 03 pic was altered or not. It should be obvious to all that it was. The point you have missed is this: though un-altered high quality pic's are readily available for close-ups of the 03 Hulk, none are as yet available for 08.
As such there is no true level playing field: the best we can do for now is try and find the best middle ground when comparing the two, and if that means degrading the quality of an 03 pic, then so be it - the alternative, displaying only a high quality 03 shot against this blurry 08 one, would be showing a rather blatant bias to the 03 version.

Now regarding what was changed: fair enough EB could have used a more appropriate pic that does not require as much brightening or color adjustment - the famous 03 close up (one of the best shots in the film after the change with Talbot) would be my choice, but for the purposes of comparing both designs I don't see that there was anything to get bent out of shape over at all.

Anyhow, I think this probably a better comparison for now (changes to the 03 shot are brightening & blurring it):

hulkfaces1.jpg



Once we have the 08 Hulk close up in high quality we can have a far more accurate comparison. Until then, this is about as good as we can get.
 
you knwo what will now happen right? people will start bashing the designe. insted of looking at that pics and talk abou the quality of CGI shaders,compositing,lighting.
no they will start talking how it doesnt look like hulk.

like the designe has anything to do with the CGI quality.

The model design does not impact on CGI quality, but it certainly does for it's effectiveness.
 
Sava, no-one disputing whether the 03 pic was altered or not. It should be obvious to all that it was. The point you have missed is this: though un-altered high quality pic's are readily available for close-ups of the 03 Hulk, none are as yet available for 08.
As such there is no true level playing field: the best we can do for now is try and find the best middle ground when comparing the two, and if that means degrading the quality of an 03 pic, then so be it - the alternative, displaying only a high quality 03 shot against this blurry 08 one, would be showing a rather blatant bias to the 03 version.

Now regarding what was changed: fair enough EB could have used a more appropriate pic that does not require as much brightening or color adjustment - the famous 03 close up (one of the best shots in the film after the change with Talbot) would be my choice, but for the purposes of comparing both designs I don't see that there was anything to get bent out of shape over at all.

Anyhow, I think this probably a better comparison for now (changes to the 03 shot are brightening & blurring it):

hulkfaces1.jpg



Once we have the 08 Hulk close up in high quality we can have a far more accurate comparison. Until then, this is about as good as we can get.

getting bent out shape is about him and AD going around using crappy pics against the new one to show that this has better CGI, not just design, but better everything. If he cant do a fair comparison, like getting a good quality pic to compare with the old one, i dont see why he had to do it in the first place. If you cant do it right, then why do it. Him altering the 03 pic isnt right, what, he couldnt find a better pic that shows Hulk's face better?.... i just posted 6 or 7 of them. The fact is, he could have EASILY found better pics that didnt need to be altered, but no, he had to put down the first movie to make this one look good.
 
Wobbly, I'm sorry. We're going to have to let you go.
Your posts don't target or attack a specific person and they just make way too much sense. They're original, sensible, intelligent, objective, and, quite frankly a pleasure to read. Your use of logic is absolutely perspicacious.

So...

...um...

drop dead.

You have no place here.

;)

Lol :yay::woot:.
I had to look 'perspicacious' up, which is a little ironic...:cwink:
 
The model design does not impact on CGI quality, but it certainly does for it's effectiveness.
then it already failed. because the skin doesnt look like human skin.
plus the eyes are glowing. so it will look fake because it will not have human eyes and skin like the 03 hulk.

am i on the same page?
 
getting bent out shape is about him and AD going around using crappy pics against the new one to show that this has better CGI, not just design, but better everything. If he cant do a fair comparison, like getting a good quality pic to compare with the old one, i dont see why he had to do it in the first place. If you cant do it right, then why do it. Him altering the 03 pic isnt right, what, he couldnt find a better pic that shows Hulk's face better?.... i just posted 6 or 7 of them. The fact is, he could have EASILY found better pics that didnt need to be altered, but no, he had to put down the first movie to make this one look good.

Well, I'm not seeing myself that deliberately (and rather obviously) dropping the quality on an 03 shot to roughly match that of this 08 one is such a put down on the first movie.
Imo, it really isnt (regardless of who is doing it and any bias we think/know they might have) as I think most people here are surely smart enough to know full well the 03 pic was altered and all they are seeing is an attempt at finding a temporary middle ground.

If you really are upset by anyone doing that...well that's up to you of course, but I do think you are being a little too defensive for the 03 Hulk by doing so (after all, once we get HD quality 08 close-ups, there will be no hiding place for either side then)
 
then it already failed. because the skin doesnt look like human skin.
plus the eyes are glowing. so it will look fake because it will not have human eyes and skin like the 03 hulk.

am i on the same page?

Disagree on the eyes. Plenty of characters have been put on film with overly bright or glowing eyes, that isn't a problem. Skin? Atm, I'd agree with that: It does need to be better.

Overall though, I think the model design (facial features and body structure) is better this time round. Final rendering remains to be seen.
 
Well, I'm not seeing myself that deliberately (and rather obviously) dropping the quality on an 03 shot to roughly match that of this 08 one is such a put down on the first movie.
Imo, it really isnt (regardless of who is doing it and any bias we think/know they might have) as I think most people here are surely smart enough to know full well the 03 pic was altered and all they are seeing is an attempt at finding a temporary middle ground.

If you really are upset by anyone doing that...well that's up to you of course, but I do think you are being a little too defensive for the 03 Hulk by doing so (after all, once we get HD quality 08 close-ups, there will be no hiding place for either side then)

*sigh*... wait, he uses a crappy quality pic, then says the new one has better CGI and thats ok?... you know he wasnt trying to find a "middle ground". Since the trailer has been out, he's gone on and on about how it has better CGI when it just doesnt, it has a better Hulk design, hell, anyone can see that, but the CGI as a whole isnt anywhere near the good parts of 03's.

I'm defensive cause i knew some jacka$$ would do this, people always need to put down one film to hype up another. Someone did this exact same thing when we got the CC pic, he used crappy quality pics from the first movie just like EB did. EB wasnt talking about design anyway. He was talking abouyt CGI as a whole, using one crappy pic from the new one, altering a pic from the 03 movie and sayingthe new one has better CGI is stupid IMO.
 
*sigh*... wait, he uses a crappy quality pic, then says the new one has better CGI and thats ok?... you know he wasnt trying to find a "middle ground". Since the trailer has been out, he's gone on and on about how it has better CGI when it just doesnt, it has a better Hulk design, hell, anyone can see that, but the CGI as a whole isnt anywhere near the good parts of 03's.

I'm defensive cause i knew some jacka$$ would do this, people always need to put down one film to hype up another. Someone did this exact same thing when we got the CC pic, he used crappy quality pics from the first movie just like EB did. EB wasnt talking about design anyway. He was talking abouyt CGI as a whole, using one crappy pic from the new one, altering a pic from the 03 movie and sayingthe new one has better CGI is stupid IMO.

Well, agree to disagree then.
 
Well, agree to disagree then.

agree to disagree on what?... if you wanna compare something, if its CGI, you take a good pic of one, then a good pic of the second, THEN you make your decision. If you dont have a good pic of eiother one of them, then you just dont f**king compare until you actually get 2 good pics.
 
agree to disagree on what?... if you wanna compare something, if its CGI, you take a good pic of one, then a good pic of the second, THEN you make your decision. If you dont have a good pic of eiother one of them, then you just dont f**king compare until you actually get 2 good pics.

"Agree to disagree" is when we both (gracefully) accept that niether of us will change the others mind: We've both said what we think and why we think it, so it's best for us both to move on or we will just wind up repeating ourselves (as you have just done).

Now I can repeat again why I see no problem with this temporary comparison, but you will obviously just disagree again so there really is no point.

No...if you want to continue with EB thats up to you, but as as far as I'm concerned this is done with.
 
"Agree to disagree" is when we both (gracefully) accept that niether of us will change the others mind: We've both said what we think and why we think it, so it's best for us both to move on or we will just wind up repeating ourselves (as you have just done).

Now I can repeat again why I see no problem with this temporary comparison, but you will obviously just disagree again so there really is no point.

No...if you want to continue with EB thats up to you, but as as far as I'm concerned this is done with.
i know what "agree to disagree" means. I guess i must be the only one who doesnt understand how anyone could do that and call it a comparison. What ever, it must be an asian thing :whatever:
 
i know what "agree to disagree" means. I guess i must be the only one who doesnt understand how anyone could do that and call it a comparison. What ever, it must be an asian thing :whatever:

Wtf?:huh:

Seriously man, what on earth are you on about?
 
me, i'm talking about me, i'm asian, i must not understand what he did cause i'm asian. :huh:

Ok then, no problem (I didn't know you are asian, I know I'm not, so I had no idea what that comment meant) :up:
 
you were saying for weeks or months that the reason they are waiting with the trailer is because they are finishing the effect.s you said that the effects will be finished. when it came out you were saying day for day that they are UNFINISHED.

where is here the respect?
The respect here is expressing an opinion w/o making it a personal issue. You don't know me so why insult someone you don't know? Don't call me pathetic. Where's the respect there? These boards are here to express opinion and discuss various views based on our personal tastes, likes, dislikes and so forth. If we step over the line to make a personal comment, how do you justify that? Do you know me other than a name on these boards? The answer is no, so make your opinions on the movies, pics, trailers/cgi whatever. Don't disrespect me as a person. Back on topic.
 
really?... lets try.

Hulksface.jpg


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hulkface5.jpg


hulkface4.jpg


Hulksface1.jpg


hulkface3.jpg


oh, BTW, here's the same shot you used, yet it doesnt look the same, i wonder why

Hulkface2.jpg
The only real one that is truly worthy is the close up with Talbot. That was my personal fav. I'm glad you put all that finished stuff up. We now get to see how inconsistant the design was. with color and facial features. But wait until you get some hi-res shots and then compare. Ithink you will be surprised of how good it will be IMHO.
 
Well, I'm not seeing myself that deliberately (and rather obviously) dropping the quality on an 03 shot to roughly match that of this 08 one is such a put down on the first movie.
Imo, it really isnt (regardless of who is doing it and any bias we think/know they might have) as I think most people here are surely smart enough to know full well the 03 pic was altered and all they are seeing is an attempt at finding a temporary middle ground.

If you really are upset by anyone doing that...well that's up to you of course, but I do think you are being a little too defensive for the 03 Hulk by doing so (after all, once we get HD quality 08 close-ups, there will be no hiding place for either side then)
First for all intents and purposes and to answer any questions, I did not alter the pic. I pulled it offline on the web. Second, the cgi in the 2003 version (listen carefully) was awesome. If you look back at my posts since the beginning I clearly state when I watch the Hulk (and yes Sava I own it) I skip all the bs and go straight for the Hulk. My fav part is when he changes after his scuffle with Talbot. The close up is the most realistic cgi I have ever seen and THAT is the measuring stick for me. I hope that clarifies that. Now the design of the Hulk in 2003 was inconsistant facially not physically. He just wasnt ripped enough for me. I would like his size (first Hulk out) from 2003 withe the detail from this movie. his face should be this one though. Coming outta the shadow face was as close to the hulk comic I have ever seen. A mix of both Hulk would be a picture perfect Hulk. Thats my opinion.
 

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